the S&B was a 1.5-6x42 used for $1200 or $1300 and it had a P4 fine i think you would call it with a circle as well. very <span style="text-decoration: line-through">nice</span> startling clarity. sharp edge to edge and very nice color transmission. it was almost as if i were standing next to the person that was across the arena. then i spotted a regular dealer that just got his stocking order from USO. wow. a few sn-3's and sn-10's and a few others. very well built, solid. great finish. the fixed was mil/mil and the vari was pcmoa/moa? does that sound right? well i brought all my stuff home, just some ammo boxes and stuff. next thing i knew i had my P7M13 and a shotty and a 1911 sitting out to see what trade value they had. if that sn10 with a/o was mil/mil i may have brought it home. whew. close call huh? i would need to get one outside, and mounted to really play with it as i had a hard time seeing the reticle handholding it. plus i was nervous as hell. but they were the first i had seen in this area. to say they were nice is an understatement