If you were going to join GOA, SAF or the NRA, which would you join and why?
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Already belong to all 3. Will not renew NRA as long as LaPierre and cronies remain.
I've been an NRA member my entire adult life. I bought an easy pay Life Membership in 1993, I was broke as hell and going to college and it was that important to me. Given the Wayne Lapierre horrors of the last decade and his destruction of competitive shooting, they can go fuck themselves. I've never been so disgusted in my life. We are paying this fucktard $2.1 million a year, plus private jet travel and membership paid shopping trips to Beverly Hills several times a year. We pay for his wife's shopping and private jet travel, we pay for him to haul 22y/o co-eds to Europe for summer fuck fests and he was even suggesting the NRA buy him a multi-million dollars mansion in a gated community near Dallas two years ago.
When Wayne retires, the NRA will be forced to pay him 100% of his salary for LIFE!!!! He has 12 serious cronies on the board of directors, they all make more than $1 million a year from the NRA. Essentially 50% of the budget goes to Lapierre and his cronies to vacations, safaris, gold standard vacations and hunting trips.
I cannot say enough bad things about these people. There is a Wayne and Wanda Lapierre hunting video on youtube that makes people who want to ban hunting look fucking awesome. He is a complete douche with a gun.
SAF gets my donations these days.
When Wayne retires, the NRA will be forced to pay him 100% of his salary for LIFE!!!! He has 12 serious cronies on the board of directors, they all make more than $1 million a year from the NRA. Essentially 50% of the budget goes to Lapierre and his cronies to vacations, safaris, gold standard vacations and hunting trips.
I cannot say enough bad things about these people. There is a Wayne and Wanda Lapierre hunting video on youtube that makes people who want to ban hunting look fucking awesome. He is a complete douche with a gun.
SAF gets my donations these days.
VCDL-Virginia Citizens Defense League. These guys do more than anyone I know. Stopped a Lefty Governor in hos tracks.
Im a member and will remain a member of the NRA because they give a presence to our way of life, albeit at times not such a good one. WLP needs to go.
Im a member and will remain a member of the NRA because they give a presence to our way of life, albeit at times not such a good one. WLP needs to go.
I totally agree with Maggot. Right now the NRA leadership sucks, but the organization still provides huge value.
Every month at our fish & game club we have training sessions for new shooters, with many women only courses. Over the last couples of years that is hundreds of new shooters.
They are run by NRA instructors and they are NRA insured.
If the NRA goes away, so do those courses. And that is a huge loss to the shooting sports culture. That is also why the left wants to destroy the NRA.
Also, many required courses in less than 2nd friendly states are NRA courses. Lose the NRA, you lose those courses and if you think the legislature will rapidly approve replacements then you are a complete idiot.
WLP needs to go, and the NRA needs reform, but until SAF and GOA step up to fill those holes, they are no replacement for the NRA.
Every month at our fish & game club we have training sessions for new shooters, with many women only courses. Over the last couples of years that is hundreds of new shooters.
They are run by NRA instructors and they are NRA insured.
If the NRA goes away, so do those courses. And that is a huge loss to the shooting sports culture. That is also why the left wants to destroy the NRA.
Also, many required courses in less than 2nd friendly states are NRA courses. Lose the NRA, you lose those courses and if you think the legislature will rapidly approve replacements then you are a complete idiot.
WLP needs to go, and the NRA needs reform, but until SAF and GOA step up to fill those holes, they are no replacement for the NRA.
GOA all the way. No compromise stand when it comes to gun rights. Period.
I am a life member of the NRA but they haven't gotten a dime from me in several years now. Wayne and a good chunk of the board of directors need to go and the organization needs to get back on track. I have always supported SAF and these days GOA also gets my donations.
GOA, about to renew my membership it expires this week. I was a NRA member since I was a kid but let it expire last year. Does the NRA do some things I support, yes, but they have become a elitist slush fund for the benefit of themselves more than a protector of the constitution. My withholding dues is more in a effort in hoping they realize the error of their ways, I would be happy to come back, but not under their current leadership, if they put Colonel North in charge the checkbook would open again tomorrow, they can be saved, I can donate to more than one.
problem with NRA compared to the rest of them, is the others dont have the pull the NRA does
NRA went off the rails the last decade but they are still a name and force that is out there..name recognition if nothing else
no one knows the other players unless you are a member of said groups
also having a big target for the anit 2A like the NRA lets the more useful ones get something done
consider them covering fire
NRA went off the rails the last decade but they are still a name and force that is out there..name recognition if nothing else
no one knows the other players unless you are a member of said groups
also having a big target for the anit 2A like the NRA lets the more useful ones get something done
consider them covering fire
I prefer GOA and FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition) but I give to SAF and NRA as well. I can afford to donate now so I do. I dislike WLP and the NRA management, but as mentioned above what they do is important and they are still very powerful.
Donate to all of them at least a little bit. Unfortunately most gun owners would rather spend thousands stockpiling ammo that will never be fired than donate say 50$ a year to the GOA or NRA etc.
Same. I became a life NRA member because my two local ranges require NRA membership to join, but as long as Wayne is around, they won't get another dime from me.
We mostly seem in agreement on the NRA, good bones, rotten teeth.
What can we do? who elects WLP and the rest?
I'll run against him.
Maggot 4 President.
What can we do? who elects WLP and the rest?
I'll run against him.
Maggot 4 President.
Thanks all.
How would your support change if Wayne was gone?
How would your support change if Wayne was gone?
need to replace more than just wayne. he was re-elected with a vote of 54-1? really?
the nra has too many people involved in way too much bullshit, they have forgotten why they are there in the first place
Member of 2AF, GOA, FPC, ASA, and NRA. Guess which one won't get be getting my money in the future?
To be clear the NRA has some merrit but GOA and FPC seem to be more active (from e-mails anyways) but that may be bluff and bluster?
To be clear the NRA has some merrit but GOA and FPC seem to be more active (from e-mails anyways) but that may be bluff and bluster?
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There are other options. New courses will take their place with better instructors free from the corruption hopefully. The training industry may decentralize like the media industry. Sears is gone and won't be coming back. Same can be said of msnbc, cnn, and a host of 3 letter agencies people are realizing they don't need. Change is good.
My money currently goes to GOA and OK2A, both of which have gotten far more done for gun rights in the last 5 years than NRA has done in 20.
Don't forget Ollie North resigned...I'm sure he was beyond disgusted. Several other relatively high profile members have also quit IIRC. NRA is poisoned, I maintain a membership just to get the magazines (aka, I'm not giving that much). WLP has destroyed it, the board has destroyed it and it would take a long time in a good environment to recover, in this environment me thinks they're finished or actually more willing to sell out.
Name them and provide links to what they provide. What acceptance do the courses they provide have in 2A hostile states like MA, CA, RI, NJ, NY etc. What level of insurance coverage do they provide?
If you make a claim like that, you need to provide evidence. All these things have to be in place with high levels of acceptance before you ditch the NRA.
Otherwise, this is exactly the same as saying we should all buy electric cars and completely ignoring the fact that the grid could not cope with the added demand.
Ok, those seem like separate issues. In my state we have a host of training available from legitimate instructors that were/are military door kickers, precision shooters, and law enforcement. Some is bra sponsored, some is not.
As for insurance, I do not run a range, so I can only speak to personal insurance like ussca or the like to be an option. I know I have run across stories where ranges have changed over to other options, but I do not remember names.
We have constitutional carry in Oklahoma, so i don't worry too much about carrying or travelling to non-friendly states.
As for insurance, I do not run a range, so I can only speak to personal insurance like ussca or the like to be an option. I know I have run across stories where ranges have changed over to other options, but I do not remember names.
We have constitutional carry in Oklahoma, so i don't worry too much about carrying or travelling to non-friendly states.
I've been a member of the NRA off and on since I was young, but am not currently, nor will be again without wholesale changes at that organization.
As I've gotten older and learned to pay attention to all things political, I've realized how many issues they either chose not to address, or was too willing to capitulate to when they should have been fighting against.
It wasn't that many years ago, that politicians feared running afoul of the NRA. Now, they could care less, because the org has become ineffective, as it pertains to politics. It has become a slush fund for a select few, and they make their money off of fear porn.
I'm quite certain they don't give a fuck, but they'll not see another penny from me till they get their shit together and remember why they exist, and learn to fight like they got a pair.
As I've gotten older and learned to pay attention to all things political, I've realized how many issues they either chose not to address, or was too willing to capitulate to when they should have been fighting against.
It wasn't that many years ago, that politicians feared running afoul of the NRA. Now, they could care less, because the org has become ineffective, as it pertains to politics. It has become a slush fund for a select few, and they make their money off of fear porn.
I'm quite certain they don't give a fuck, but they'll not see another penny from me till they get their shit together and remember why they exist, and learn to fight like they got a pair.
I'll apologize in advance if you think I'm calling you out specifically. I'm not. I'm trying to make a more general point, and maybe doing it badly.
This is so similar to the argument that the Fudds use.
"I'm all ok here wid my walnut huntun' rifle, why d'yu need dem black mattel things anyho! Ain't no sport huntin' deer wit one of dem! Pappy always said the 30-aught six WInchester Rifle was just fine, and durn it he was right!"
"Why do you need the NRA anyhoo? Here in OK we got constructional carry! I ain't never going to go to them commie states, so what do I care? They deserve what they voted for!"
The 2A supporting culture as a whole is terrible at supporting each other. Groups tend to get myopic and look at things that tend to impact them the most and ignore those things that seem distant or unimportant to them.
The left on the other hand, has a long slow march through the institutions and now controls the legacy media, universities, schools etc. and has a stranglehold on messaging. Of these, the legacy media is losing credibility, but the other institutions remain largely intact.
The left had to moderate and carry some groups along with them in order to move the Overton window to where we are today in the middle of Pride month, and all the debauchery that goes with it. It the left had started with these end goals right at the beginning, they would have achieved nothing. We got here by slow incrementalism.
I see the 2A fight in the long term exactly the same way. The NRA is indeed rotten, but right now in the big picture, having them there is helping to move the Overton window in favor of the second. There will be a time to dump the NRA, or at least to put it into a position where we can force change and get it back to its roots.
But we are not there yet.
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I guess I'm looking at it from a different angle. I don't remember the nra of the good years. That was prior to my birth in 1970. I remember a nra that capitulated on most issues of meaning and was the man on watch when we saw a lot of individual freedoms struck down, inhibited or banned pertaining to guns. In my lifetime I have seen them as controlled opposition and the slow sellout of 2a rights.
I see this as a great opportunity to change direction and get behind people that actually promote our values and get back to the original ideals of the liberty movement. This starts on the local level, just like the left did. I only remember gun training in school from pictures. That was before my time. I would like to see that happen again. I do remember people bringing rifles in to woodworking shop without anyone even missing a beat. Wouldn't that be nice to see again?
The dream of national reciprocity is a worthwhile goal to be sure, but a strong base of local and states' laws has to be the start. We have to have states willing to go for nullification of anti-constitutional gun laws. Nullification of the nfa and things of that nature. An organization not willing to jump in that fight is old, decayed and past it's usefulness to the current liberty movement in regards to guns and the 2a.
I'm no big fan of the NRA, I used to donate to the NRA/ILA fund when I was active duty, however, they are under attack from New York State right now. We need any win we can get, and if that means holding your nose just to spite the anti-gunners, then it is what it is.
GOA.
they don't waste money on excessive mailings. they don't compromise. they make it very easy to contact my politicians... even sent me some postcards the other day, I'll be mailing them out tomorrow. I feel like they actually give a shit, and that I'm getting my money's worth. I have them on an automatic monthly donation, along with the FPC.
they don't waste money on excessive mailings. they don't compromise. they make it very easy to contact my politicians... even sent me some postcards the other day, I'll be mailing them out tomorrow. I feel like they actually give a shit, and that I'm getting my money's worth. I have them on an automatic monthly donation, along with the FPC.
