ive seen a asuppressor rated for a noise reduction of 5 db . is that still a "suppressor " or is any thing that reduces noise a suppressor ?
Suppressors what classifies as a suppressor ?
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Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
Yes and Yes.
Josh
Yes and Yes.
Josh
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
it was a shotgun suppressor . but the thing is with shotguns you can reduce the amount of shot and it will be quiter . ever shot just a wad with no shot ? . very very quite . i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc
it was a shotgun suppressor . but the thing is with shotguns you can reduce the amount of shot and it will be quiter . ever shot just a wad with no shot ? . very very quite . i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc </div></div> So you think their should be more stipulations, classes & categories that we would need to register into?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc </div></div> So you think their should be more stipulations, classes & categories that we would need to register into?
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
What you fail to understand is that you are going to have to pay the tax stamp no matter what the decibel reduction. I'm with doorkicker on this one.
Josh
What you fail to understand is that you are going to have to pay the tax stamp no matter what the decibel reduction. I'm with doorkicker on this one.
Josh
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
shit no . opposite in fact . unrestrict everything that would be class 1 and class 2 aka under 20 db. if more people bought them they would probably be cheaper . nfa laws dont make much sense in the 21 century anyhoo
shit no . opposite in fact . unrestrict everything that would be class 1 and class 2 aka under 20 db. if more people bought them they would probably be cheaper . nfa laws dont make much sense in the 21 century anyhoo
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Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive seen a asuppressor rated for a noise reduction of 5 db . is that still a "suppressor " or is any thing that reduces noise a suppressor ? </div></div>
Short answer, anything attached to the barrel that reduces sound pressure levels 1db or more
By the way guys, there is a 12 gauge shotgun load that makes no sound, even w/o a can. If your a 3 letter type you have access to loaded ammo, if your not the data is out there but you have to dig for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive seen a asuppressor rated for a noise reduction of 5 db . is that still a "suppressor " or is any thing that reduces noise a suppressor ? </div></div>
Short answer, anything attached to the barrel that reduces sound pressure levels 1db or more
By the way guys, there is a 12 gauge shotgun load that makes no sound, even w/o a can. If your a 3 letter type you have access to loaded ammo, if your not the data is out there but you have to dig for it.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
Un-restrict suppressors? I'm all for it. However, I am not holding my breath. Until then, a suppressor is a suppressor is a suppressor.
Josh
Un-restrict suppressors? I'm all for it. However, I am not holding my breath. Until then, a suppressor is a suppressor is a suppressor.
Josh
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive seen a asuppressor rated for a noise reduction of 5 db . is that still a "suppressor " or is any thing that reduces noise a suppressor ? </div></div>
If you so much as tape a plastic bottle full of banana peels to your bbl with the "Intent" of making it quieter,you have broken the law.The results are not worth it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive seen a asuppressor rated for a noise reduction of 5 db . is that still a "suppressor " or is any thing that reduces noise a suppressor ? </div></div>
If you so much as tape a plastic bottle full of banana peels to your bbl with the "Intent" of making it quieter,you have broken the law.The results are not worth it.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
Just ask German Sport Guns............ Even a barrel shroud can count as a suppressor apparently.
Just ask German Sport Guns............ Even a barrel shroud can count as a suppressor apparently.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shit no . opposite in fact . unrestrict everything that would be class 1 and class 2 aka under 20 db. if more people bought them they would probably be cheaper . nfa laws dont make much sense in the 21 century anyhoo </div></div>
The point of the the tax stamp is not to turn a profit, when have you ever known the government to make money? The point of the stamp is to restrict items, make them difficult to obtain without outright banning them.It is amazing that the $200 stamp has not gone up in 75 years. Now a stamp is affordable, in 1934 $200 was almost half a years salary. LEAVE THE SYSTEM ALONE!!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shit no . opposite in fact . unrestrict everything that would be class 1 and class 2 aka under 20 db. if more people bought them they would probably be cheaper . nfa laws dont make much sense in the 21 century anyhoo </div></div>
The point of the the tax stamp is not to turn a profit, when have you ever known the government to make money? The point of the stamp is to restrict items, make them difficult to obtain without outright banning them.It is amazing that the $200 stamp has not gone up in 75 years. Now a stamp is affordable, in 1934 $200 was almost half a years salary. LEAVE THE SYSTEM ALONE!!!!
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please
what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
How long have you been a member here ?
Try this link:
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
How long have you been a member here ?
Try this link:
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Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please</div></div>
Killing unwanted animals/pests/vermin near areas you don't want to disturb people or animals, i.e. near a farm, out shooting where deer and elk may spook from the sound, taking care of your rabid dog/cat/coon...., the list goes on.
Shooting competition so as not to bother nearby neighbors such as when I shoot up North in the winters here. The loud gunfire is heard by neighbors. Although not in any loud amount it is consistent throughout the day of competition.
...just to have one. Something government agencies have that you don't. Of course I live in Minnesota where NO ONE can have them Except: Certain units within law enforcement agencies that show a need (metropolis SWAT teams) and Federal agencies that show a need to possess one. The LE has to be renewed by the governor every two years. The Feds (aquiesing to state law out of professional courtesty) have authorization on hand with the state that doesn't need to be renewed. Again, though, only certain units.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please</div></div>
Killing unwanted animals/pests/vermin near areas you don't want to disturb people or animals, i.e. near a farm, out shooting where deer and elk may spook from the sound, taking care of your rabid dog/cat/coon...., the list goes on.
Shooting competition so as not to bother nearby neighbors such as when I shoot up North in the winters here. The loud gunfire is heard by neighbors. Although not in any loud amount it is consistent throughout the day of competition.
...just to have one. Something government agencies have that you don't. Of course I live in Minnesota where NO ONE can have them Except: Certain units within law enforcement agencies that show a need (metropolis SWAT teams) and Federal agencies that show a need to possess one. The LE has to be renewed by the governor every two years. The Feds (aquiesing to state law out of professional courtesty) have authorization on hand with the state that doesn't need to be renewed. Again, though, only certain units.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
Shooting in July in Texas with no earmuffs.
Not disturbing your neighbors.
Being able to shoot more than one hog or coyote before the rest bolt.
Shooting in July in Texas with no earmuffs.
Not disturbing your neighbors.
Being able to shoot more than one hog or coyote before the rest bolt.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
In many European countries, the use of suppressors is encouraged. Basically they cut down on noise pollution the same way a muffler on car does.
In many European countries, the use of suppressors is encouraged. Basically they cut down on noise pollution the same way a muffler on car does.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it was a shotgun suppressor . but the thing is with shotguns you can reduce the amount of shot and it will be quiter . ever shot just a wad with no shot ? . very very quite .<span style="color: #FF0000"> i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc</span> </div></div>
So what you're trying to say is lets complicate class 3 items even more? NO THANKS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 416barrett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it was a shotgun suppressor . but the thing is with shotguns you can reduce the amount of shot and it will be quiter . ever shot just a wad with no shot ? . very very quite .<span style="color: #FF0000"> i think their should be different classes of suppressor maybe like 10 db class-20-30 etc</span> </div></div>
So what you're trying to say is lets complicate class 3 items even more? NO THANKS.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
Are you being serious?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
Are you being serious?
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
They conceive concerned looks at shooting ranges.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
They conceive concerned looks at shooting ranges.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>hearing protection.
would you drive your car with out a muffler?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>hearing protection.
would you drive your car with out a muffler?
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
1) Cuts back on noise pollution (obviously)
2) Decreases the report of the firearm
3) Cuts down flash to almost non existent
4) Reduces recoil in most common calibers
5) Can sometimes tighten up shot grouping
And those are the top 5
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>
1) Cuts back on noise pollution (obviously)
2) Decreases the report of the firearm
3) Cuts down flash to almost non existent
4) Reduces recoil in most common calibers
5) Can sometimes tighten up shot grouping
And those are the top 5
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
The feds call it a "silencer"
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 921 Definitions:
(24) The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
The feds call it a "silencer"
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 921 Definitions:
(24) The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: delta9mda</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>hearing protection.
would you drive your car with out a muffler? </div></div>
Some people sure don't seem to have a problem with it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: delta9mda</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m54dmb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what type of uses does a supressor have in regular life...some feedback please </div></div>hearing protection.
would you drive your car with out a muffler? </div></div>
Some people sure don't seem to have a problem with it.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
I think the ATF is more focused on muzzle-type devices ."Intent" is a big part of a court-case . The ATF has a decibel-measuring test-bed they set up in court , with a gauge displaying an indicator needle that the jury can see . The weapon is fired , and the jury can see the needle move . Some devices by criminals actually made the firearm louder , but they "intended" to silence the weapon to aid in the facilitation of a crime , and were convicted ... Anyway , that's the way it used to be done ... Having said all that , there is some silent ammo , like certain captive-piston technology 12 gauge shells (made for the SEALS and used in Vietnam ) that are considered by the ATF to be 'silencers' ...
I think the ATF is more focused on muzzle-type devices ."Intent" is a big part of a court-case . The ATF has a decibel-measuring test-bed they set up in court , with a gauge displaying an indicator needle that the jury can see . The weapon is fired , and the jury can see the needle move . Some devices by criminals actually made the firearm louder , but they "intended" to silence the weapon to aid in the facilitation of a crime , and were convicted ... Anyway , that's the way it used to be done ... Having said all that , there is some silent ammo , like certain captive-piston technology 12 gauge shells (made for the SEALS and used in Vietnam ) that are considered by the ATF to be 'silencers' ...
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In many European countries, the use of suppressors is encouraged. Basically they cut down on noise pollution the same way a muffler on car does. </div></div>
Yeah, we should try to be more like Europe....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In many European countries, the use of suppressors is encouraged. Basically they cut down on noise pollution the same way a muffler on car does. </div></div>
Yeah, we should try to be more like Europe....
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The point is, most European countries are much more densely populated than the USA, hence the encouragement of suppressor use instead of looking at them as tools of assassins and criminals. Most people have no idea how many suppressors are really legally possessed by civilian shooters for hunting and target use. Hollywood portrays suppressor use in a rather negative manner.
The point is, most European countries are much more densely populated than the USA, hence the encouragement of suppressor use instead of looking at them as tools of assassins and criminals. Most people have no idea how many suppressors are really legally possessed by civilian shooters for hunting and target use. Hollywood portrays suppressor use in a rather negative manner.
Re: what classifies as a suppressor ?
If you attach anything to your gun that reduces the sound signature and you have not gone through the proper paperwork and approval with the BATF, you will not pass go, nor collect your $200. You will, on the other hand, go straight to a Federal, pound you in the @$$ prison, and you will stay there for a damn long time.
If you attach anything to your gun that reduces the sound signature and you have not gone through the proper paperwork and approval with the BATF, you will not pass go, nor collect your $200. You will, on the other hand, go straight to a Federal, pound you in the @$$ prison, and you will stay there for a damn long time.
