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What do we think of this BP chassis?

Holy crap.

You ask for opinions then get disappointed by opinions? If you want some positive affirmations about it, go to ARF.com or mallninjapro.com, don’t ask actual rifle guys about an half assed afterthought bullpup....
Oh you want to do this. Lets go lol.

I'm not disappointed in the opinions. I'm disappointed in the estrogen-driven responses about things looking icky or the LOP hurting someones wittle shoulder. THese "actual rifle guys" sounded like my wife shopping for a purse or a box of tampons. I told them I don't give a shit about the LOP or the bolt handle hurting my wittle fingurs.....Yet every response was just that. Will the damn thing shoot and will it resist the impact of bashing an animal over the head with it? Man shit is what I was looking for and I apologize for being disappointed with the girly ass responses. Lmao. All in good fun.
 
Oh you want to do this. Lets go lol.

I'm not disappointed in the opinions. I'm disappointed in the estrogen-driven responses about things looking icky or the LOP hurting someones wittle shoulder. THese "actual rifle guys" sounded like my wife shopping for a purse or a box of tampons. I told them I don't give a shit about the LOP or the bolt handle hurting my wittle fingurs.....Yet every response was just that. Will the damn thing shoot and will it resist the impact of bashing an animal over the head with it? Man shit is what I was looking for and I apologize for being disappointed with the girly ass responses. Lmao. All in good fun.
What is this? What did you expect? I think you are sorely confused about who is here at the Hide... go sell crazy somewhere else, We’re full up here.

Did someone insult your sistermom?
 
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Oh you want to do this. Lets go lol.

I'm not disappointed in the opinions. I'm disappointed in the estrogen-driven responses about things looking icky or the LOP hurting someones wittle shoulder. THese "actual rifle guys" sounded like my wife shopping for a purse or a box of tampons. I told them I don't give a shit about the LOP or the bolt handle hurting my wittle fingurs.....Yet every response was just that. Will the damn thing shoot and will it resist the impact of bashing an animal over the head with it? Man shit is what I was looking for and I apologize for being disappointed with the girly ass responses. Lmao. All in good fun.

It would be foolish to underestimate the role of ergonomics in a rifle chassis.
 
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WHat do yall think of this?
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Yall:
Waaaah, Icky....Wahhhh. Its not a Mosin, waaaah.
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lol
 
Durability and accuracy aren't things that can be judged by a consensus. Empirical data will tell you how accurate and durable they are. And since the product you are asking about hasn't even been released by the distributor (according to their own website) I think you'll have trouble finding any empirical data points regarding the unit's performance.

What you are seeing from the group here however is a consensus that it's aesthetics are lacking, and it looks to be ergonomically inferior to other bullpups or traditional stocks and chassis on the market.

The title of a thread sets the tone. If you didn't want to know what people thought, don't ask for their thoughts, and instead make a more concrete, and direct question inquiring about what it is you really want to know. You asked for thoughts and got them.
That is funny because I did get a few actual intelligent responses other than "derrr trigger prolly sux". A couple of guys who have experiences with multiple milled chassis said it would probably shoot fine as most they have ever dealt with shot pretty much equal. See, I didn't know that because I haven't shot on multiple milled chassis. That was the type of info I was expecting. A few guys that knew what they were talking about answered my question. If you dig through the heaps of moronic responses you can find them lol.
 
OP, I think you should keep looking. A dual-grip-dual-trigger model like this one would allow you to pick a LOP that feels best on any given day. And it's so much prettier with the curved magazine, doncha think?

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Bro, thank you. THIS IS IT! I can see myself tactified from head to toe doing drills at the range right now. Surely its full semi auto isnt it?
 
The manufacturer did not provide any details as to what the action rests on when in place. Not even a mention of a basic V-block. If the action has a solid foundation to sit on stress free then it will likely shoot ok. Of course this is provided there are no shortcomings to the other parts of the chassis like at the joints. Possibly leaving the possibility of the scope shifting through recoil or rough handling. Hard to tell from the picture
 
The manufacturer did not provide any details as to what the action rests on when in place. Not even a mention of a basic V-block. If the action has a solid foundation to sit on stress free then it will likely shoot ok. Of course this is provided there are no shortcomings to the other parts of the chassis like at the joints. Possibly leaving the possibility of the scope shifting through recoil or rough handling. Hard to tell from the picture
Now there is an actual intelligent answer. Thank you.
 
I get that and that’s why I think people naturally want to angle off to the side. It is a really unnatural/unathletic position to have your shoulders square with the rifle on your right shoulder with your right arm bent 100deg and the left arm tucked under to reach the bag. Even when Frank and others are doing it "right" they don't look truly square. RIght shoulder and elbow are almost always back further than the left and one higher than the other. A longer length of pull extends the arm, gives you more leverage, relaxes the shoulder, and makes it much easier to have right and left mirror each other by allowing the right shoulder to move forward some and get even with the left while still remaining relaxed and not shouldering the rifle. Lay prone and grab the front of your mag rather than your grip and you will see what I mean.

I think rifles have been designed with too short a LOP for easy "square behind the rifle" modern shooting.

Look how scrunched up he is on this rifle. Not sure who this is just a random internet pic(happens to be from a snipershide cup). NOt saying he can't shoot just that it is an unnatural position and he looks to be fighting it. The bend in the elbow is jacking his shoulder all up while trying to stay square. All my opinion BTW and my experience in building a position.

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FWIW I have never questioned the values of a bulpup for some people.

I stuck my nose into something to attempt to help when I saw classic red flags. I should not have, it is unwanted and unsolicited advice to think about why you seem to want the LOP beyond extreme.

But after your post here, I realize that you don’t completely understand what that position is doing.
 
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FWIW I have never questioned the values of a bulpup for some people.

I stuck my nose into something to attempt to help when I saw classic red flags. I should not have, it is unwanted and unsolicited advice to think about why you seem to want the LOP beyond extreme.

But after your post here, I realize that you don’t completely understand what that position is doing.
No sweat man I don't mind at all. I was just discussing what I had found about my own position over the last year of working on it. I come from a golf background and have always studied how the body works and how it needs to work to be stable and natural. I wouldn't say my 15.5" LOP is extreme at all is it? I have never shot anything with a 20" LOP but wouldn't mind trying as long as the scope could get far enough back. Contrary to the way this thread may seem I am actually a rational person who likes to discuss and learn. I have been messing with these guys hard because it was funny. I posted a couple of times that I am just busting their balls but some still get pissy.

What am I not understanding about which position?
 
No sweat man I don't mind at all. I was just discussing what I had found about my own position over the last year of working on it. I come from a golf background and have always studied how the body works and how it needs to work to be stable and natural. I wouldn't say my 15.5" LOP is extreme at all is it? I have never shot anything with a 20" LOP but wouldn't mind trying as long as the scope could get far enough back. Contrary to the way this thread may seem I am actually a rational person who likes to discuss and learn. I have been messing with these guys hard because it was funny. I posted a couple of times that I am just busting their balls but some still get pissy.

What am I not understanding about which position?
Maybe PMs would be better for this off topic part.

15.5 is not nuts for a huge guy. But that and still feeling like in front of the mag would be better - was my reference point as extreme.
 
Ok, so here is my totally uninformed opinion...

What most that have opined about the potential precision have said is that the mechanical precision will likely not be affected by the chassis system- assuming the bedding system in the chassis is well designed and the action is properly installed. However, this is not the same as saying the rifle will shoot equally well in this chassis as it will in a more traditional stock. There is a large difference between how a barrel and action will shoot absent a human shooter (mechanical accuracy) and how it will shoot with an ugly bag of mostly water sitting behind it. These are the ergonomics we can only guess about because chassis has not yet been released.

Additionally, I’ve shot a bunch of animals and I have never had the need to bash in the skull of one. I have slit few necks, it never bashed a skull. In normal use I highly doubt th OP will find the need to bash a skull in during a range day. That said, most polymer stocks take “mortaring” fine- even inexpensive magpul moe stocks, and I doubt the butt end of this rifle is any different. If you find th need to run down range and butt stroke a steel target, your rifle will probably be no worse for wear.

So, to the 2 questions the OP is most curious to hear opinions about, will it break and will it shoot, I think the answers are it probably won’t break and it will probably shoot assuming yo can get comfortable behind it.

Now, for some editorializations. Why a bullpup for your intended application? The major advantage of a bullpup rifle is that it makes a long rifle shorter. In this case it looks to make a rifle as much as 6 whole inches shorter- I realize this is more to some than it is to others. Your intended application is laying on a tower and shooting targets from far away. Not exactly a dynamic shooting situation. In fact, laying on a tower- under 0 time pressure to make a shot- is exactly the scenario where length and weight have no affect on a rifle’s capabilities. Running and gunning is where a short rifle has merit. And, it has been pretty widely demonstrated that even really good bullpup triggers are “meh” relative to good precision triggers. In a game where you are trying to hit targets out past 1400 (that is what the op said, right?) why hamper yourself with a meh trigger? This just looks like the absolute wrong tool for the job, in every way.

Now, you’ll need to excuse me as I need to go screw in some nails with this saw I just found...
 
Ok, so here is my totally uninformed opinion...

What most that have opined about the potential precision have said is that the mechanical precision will likely not be affected by the chassis system- assuming the bedding system in the chassis is well designed and the action is properly installed. However, this is not the same as saying the rifle will shoot equally well in this chassis as it will in a more traditional stock. There is a large difference between how a barrel and action will shoot absent a human shooter (mechanical accuracy) and how it will shoot with an ugly bag of mostly water sitting behind it. These are the ergonomics we can only guess about because chassis has not yet been released.

Additionally, I’ve shot a bunch of animals and I have never had the need to bash in the skull of one. I have slit few necks, it never bashed a skull. In normal use I highly doubt th OP will find the need to bash a skull in during a range day. That said, most polymer stocks take “mortaring” fine- even inexpensive magpul moe stocks, and I doubt the butt end of this rifle is any different. If you find th need to run down range and butt stroke a steel target, your rifle will probably be no worse for wear.

So, to the 2 questions the OP is most curious to hear opinions about, will it break and will it shoot, I think the answers are it probably won’t break and it will probably shoot assuming yo can get comfortable behind it.

Now, for some editorializations. Why a bullpup for your intended application? The major advantage of a bullpup rifle is that it makes a long rifle shorter. In this case it looks to make a rifle as much as 6 whole inches shorter- I realize this is more to some than it is to others. Your intended application is laying on a tower and shooting targets from far away. Not exactly a dynamic shooting situation. In fact, laying on a tower- under 0 time pressure to make a shot- is exactly the scenario where length and weight have no affect on a rifle’s capabilities. Running and gunning is where a short rifle has merit. And, it has been pretty widely demonstrated that even really good bullpup triggers are “meh” relative to good precision triggers. In a game where you are trying to hit targets out past 1400 (that is what the op said, right?) why hamper yourself with a meh trigger? This just looks like the absolute wrong tool for the job, in every way.

Now, you’ll need to excuse me as I need to go screw in some nails with this saw I just found...
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Well done sir. That is the kind of intelligent response I assumed would be run of the mill here! But I still think bullpups are cool so I will dabble with the idea lol. However, I contend that I could possibly need to bash something to death with it. There is always that chance.....
 
Now, you’ll need to excuse me as I need to go screw in some nails with this saw I just found...

Ok that’s another good one ~ along with the purse, Magie... etc.

I will have to stay tuned on my 18 hour drive to the sniper team thing..

I already have all my excuses lined up. 3,630 known down my 6.5.. my damn 17yr old son is my partner, his dad is an ass.. man my list will be longer than a spoiled kids Xmas list.....

But this thread is still priceless.
 
Ok that’s another good one ~ along with the purse, Magie... etc.

I will have to stay tuned on my 18 hour drive to the sniper team thing..

I already have all my excuses lined up. 3,630 known down my 6.5.. my damn 17yr old son is my partner, his dad is an ass.. man my list will be longer than a spoiled kids Xmas list.....

But this thread is still priceless.

You’ll be there also? Cool, we can make sure our LOP is in the correct window for comfort. At least your parter has legs. You’ll see me carrying two rifles and a dude on my back. Hard to miss.
 
Ok that’s another good one ~ along with the purse, Magie... etc.

I will have to stay tuned on my 18 hour drive to the sniper team thing..

I already have all my excuses lined up. 3,630 known down my 6.5.. my damn 17yr old son is my partner, his dad is an ass.. man my list will be longer than a spoiled kids Xmas list.....

But this thread is still priceless.
THis thing is already in the ditch it will be burned up before long lmao. I'll start a new one called "I wear my plate carrier to the range, is that ok?" for your entertainment.
 
A properly designed nad manufactored chassis sgould not sacrifice much accuracy to a well exicuted bedded stock. The durability can not be judged without use by someone. Cheap or inaccurate pivots in the trigger mechanism, inadequate juncture reinforcement, improper material selection or lackluster machining tolerances could all lead to failures. No idea if that stock any of those defiancies. For $1200 it better be perfect.
 
Silly to wade in now, but oh well.

I don't think the OP is in love with this bullpup, or trying to defend his interest. I think he is legitimately asking about it.

My first impression of it was that I'm not crazy about the G.I. Joe! aesthetics, but that has nothing to do with performance.

I think others have mentioned good points about how this is likely the wrong tool for the job. At the least, it is not really going to help get the job done. That also begs the question, what do you need a 30" barrel for? Bullpup Palma?

Maybe a more proven design, with a slightly shorter barrel would be a happy compromise for performance? I like trying new stuff, but my wife gets mad at me whenever I do;-). So... I try to stick with a proven winner. Makes me less frustrated in the long run.
 
You’ll be there also? Cool, we can make sure our LOP is in the correct window for comfort. At least your parter has legs. You’ll see me carrying two rifles and a dude on my back. Hard to miss.

Are you guys the ones that do the reach around mag exchange trick 1J04 heard about on SniperLube.com?

OP, you should feel obliged to buy the bullpup chassis in question, wring it out and provide a thorough review. Seriously.

I really wanted to go for a DTA because it has mucho win but fortunately got hands-on with a couple and didn't think I would enjoy learning the engrams to make it feel right. I don't get to shoot nearly as much as I need to in order to be as consistent as I want to be, so I wrote it off to that old age, narrowing aperture syndrome thing. What I guess I'm getting at it that the visuals of the DTA didn't dissuade me - I think they are fugly as sin - but the feel did. If I was a 30 hour a week range slut, I could have convinced myself that sheer repetition would win the day and I'd convert, but I work too much right now to make it happen.

Best of luck on your quest.
 
Here's my take, it's garbage.

Why?

1 - Never heard of the company, or the stock, that in and of itself says a lot. If it was awesome, you'd have heard of it and it would have a good reputation, not NO reputation.

2 - It has no reputation, see above

3 - It's more expensive than current, established offerings with GOOD reputations

4 - It's ugly as shit

5 - You're too invested, already. If you're going to ask for opinions and advice, be prepared for the possibility you may not hear what you want to hear

I've asked for advice here in the past when I was new to all this, I took the advice and I've yet to be disappointed. You might try the same.
 
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Guys. I don't care about the LOP. I am fine with it. I know the bolt will not be as ergonomic as a regularly positioned bolt. I am good with that as this will be a 1000 yard plus gun only and I will not be pumping rounds down it quickly. DO WE THINK THIS CHASSIS WILL AFFECT ACCURACY OR HAVE CRAPPY FITMENT ISSUES????? I understand some people don't like bull pups. That is not what I am asking. I do not have $6K to spend on a Desert Tech or else I would not be asking about this chassis. Thinking it is ugly is fine but not helpful at all to me. I think a lot of guns are ugly but I would not call them POS just because they are ugly in my opinion. WILL IT SHOOT AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS AND HOLD UP AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER CHASSIS? PLEASE!

No one knows and if you weren’t so emotionally invested in it, you’d understand that there is no unbiased data on this. That being said, I bet that my $350 KRG Bravo chassis is way better.
 
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