granted it's a movie but that's with smooth bore black powder you and your fancy new shooting irons should at least be able to match it or better .
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Advanced Marksmanship What is considered good offhand accuracy at 100 yds?
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granted it's a movie but that's with smooth bore black powder you and your fancy new shooting irons should at least be able to match it or better .
I can barley remember when Harry Pope was the "Old Man" In his 70s he could sand on his hind legs legs and put five rounds in a 1-inch group or under at 200 yards using a barrel, bullets and cartridge he made. He might only use one cartridge, a mix of black and smokeless powder, and muzzle load the bullets in an a 50 year old barrel just to make a point.
I once knew a fella who would forge his own barrels after mining the materials, cut down the trees, melt chess pieces for ball ammo, then he’d usually fire while looking the opposite direction and group 1/2 moa at 300 yards.
I’m saying I’m a little skeptical of your post. But if it’s true, that’s some amazing shooting or 5 really good fliers.
I’m still trying to figure how a human stands on his hind legs..I only have 2 legs?
Check your math.
He died at age 89 in 1950, 72 years ago; 82 years ago would have made him 79, the oldest Pope could have been for such a feat to have been feasibly witnessed.
Funny you say that. I just got a Scorpion myself the normal one. I just did a short zero at 25 yards. With irons great. Then I put my trijicon on one of the older reflex sights like garandthumb has on his retro m16/m4 build. I think it's called an RX01. I got it from an old SF buddy. After googling it. They have a 4.5 MOA dot. At 25 yards the dot completely covered the 2 inch diamond I was using to zero lmfao. I think I need a smaller optic.
Agreed I think the interesting way I was taught I'm not sure if it's considered off hand, but some SRT team sniper when I was in Korea did some unique stand almost straight up cross your arms, no sling or anything just the rifle and it sits like sideways like you're hugging it. Weird as shit but it seemed to work for him.
Adding a 3X magnifier and better trigger did help the grouping quite a bit.
The only thing I will say is that offhand is hard, requires a lot of dry fire and discipline, and I think it's the one time when the totally surprise break works in your favor.
You work to minimize your wobble zone and as long as you ease the trigger to the point you do not grow that zone the surprise break will land the bullet within the extent of your ability to hold.
Now what I want to ask that might be new to the discussion is where we get the standard from....
I think the military pretty much sets the standard but when they do that they also factor in that their standard accounts for the fact service Rifles are acceptable to a line unit if they meet a 4 MOA ability.
I don't think this has changed since the Garand despite its successor Rifles being able to hold considerably better. In terms of mission 4 MOA is adequate unless fighting lilliputians.
Thankfully there are much more motivated riflemen and technology allows them much greater ability to shrink expectations.
A rifle team member is going to shame a line infantryman and a line infantryman will likely shame the guy that sights in in October and fires once at a deer 25 yards away in November.
If you are an enthusiast but not a competitor and you have the discipline to practice once in awhile I think for practical purposes if you can consistently hold 4-5 MOA you are a competent rifleman.
Understand your limitations though.....beyond two hundred yards you are firing an area weapon unless you have support.
You work to minimize your wobble zone and as long as you ease the trigger to the point you do not grow that zone the surprise break will land the bullet within the extent of your ability to hold.
Now what I want to ask that might be new to the discussion is where we get the standard from....
I think the military pretty much sets the standard but when they do that they also factor in that their standard accounts for the fact service Rifles are acceptable to a line unit if they meet a 4 MOA ability.
I don't think this has changed since the Garand despite its successor Rifles being able to hold considerably better. In terms of mission 4 MOA is adequate unless fighting lilliputians.
Thankfully there are much more motivated riflemen and technology allows them much greater ability to shrink expectations.
A rifle team member is going to shame a line infantryman and a line infantryman will likely shame the guy that sights in in October and fires once at a deer 25 yards away in November.
If you are an enthusiast but not a competitor and you have the discipline to practice once in awhile I think for practical purposes if you can consistently hold 4-5 MOA you are a competent rifleman.
Understand your limitations though.....beyond two hundred yards you are firing an area weapon unless you have support.
Lol have you shot PRs?
@natdscott & @ScottDWallace,
Thank you for the insightful and descriptive posts. As another NRA Silhouette shooter, I’m seeing some things to do for improvement. The Turkey line is definitely a place to be humbled. Currently I am shooting the three Lever-action disciplines, and they are NOT precision rifles by any means.
lorn sights and a Rimfire rifle that’s over a hundred years old tests your mastery of the basics. I have 5 pins for each animal, but only a 10 Pig (5 in a row and 10 in a row) AA L.A.SB, A L.A.P.C., and A L.A.R.C
Thank you for the insightful and descriptive posts. As another NRA Silhouette shooter, I’m seeing some things to do for improvement. The Turkey line is definitely a place to be humbled. Currently I am shooting the three Lever-action disciplines, and they are NOT precision rifles by any means.
lorn sights and a Rimfire rifle that’s over a hundred years old tests your mastery of the basics. I have 5 pins for each animal, but only a 10 Pig (5 in a row and 10 in a row) AA L.A.SB, A L.A.P.C., and A L.A.R.C
A 40 target or 60 target match? I am still bowing down to anyone who gets a 10 Turkey!
We run 40 target matches at two of our silo ranges and 60 at the third. This win was a 40 target with either a 32 or 33 for the final score. Iron sight lever action rimfire for this one. I Also shoot scoped SB and hi power, but find the lever action the most fun of the three.
as to the banned OP’s question of decent 100 yard accuracy, my wobble zone has diminished to about 2.5-3 width’s of the target animals. This has taken 6 years to get there. Most targets are around 4 MOA width, so 10-12 MOA wobble for me at present. Still way better than the 6-7 target width wobble zone I had when I first started.
I love going to a tac match where the MD has an offhand stage, the whining is always epic from the “heavier 20lb+ is better barricade benchrest” crowd.
as to the banned OP’s question of decent 100 yard accuracy, my wobble zone has diminished to about 2.5-3 width’s of the target animals. This has taken 6 years to get there. Most targets are around 4 MOA width, so 10-12 MOA wobble for me at present. Still way better than the 6-7 target width wobble zone I had when I first started.
I love going to a tac match where the MD has an offhand stage, the whining is always epic from the “heavier 20lb+ is better barricade benchrest” crowd.
Iron sight lever is what I do too. Running a vintage Marlin 39. Still working on my legs to AAA
A definite way to force myself to work on the fundamental. It doesn’t hurt to be shooting with a couple of Master class shooters. That always makes you pull your socks up.
Lever Action Small Bore is our most popular discipline at one of my ranges. Everything from Rossi pumps through original Winchester and Marlins.
A definite way to force myself to work on the fundamental. It doesn’t hurt to be shooting with a couple of Master class shooters. That always makes you pull your socks up.
Lever Action Small Bore is our most popular discipline at one of my ranges. Everything from Rossi pumps through original Winchester and Marlins.
Thank you for the excellent write up sir
The biggest suck/shame is when you hit the silhouette on the edge and turn that sumbitchth sideways. ANY silhouette shooter will cry in his beer over a hit like that. BTDT 
