What is good for one is not good for another?

[Gunfighter14e2]

Don't get me wrong I think they both should be glassed, but why is it that Iran has to allow nuke inspections,... when Israel does not?
Double standard much,... earth carbon units?

Iran Votes to Stop Cooperating With U.N. Nuclear Watchdog, Suspends Inspections After Israeli and U.S. Strikes - 🔔 The Liberty Daily

Iran’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to suspend cooperation with the IAEA, banning inspections until security guarantees are provided. Lawmakers accused the IAEA of failing to condemn recent Israeli and U.S. strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The bill mandates halting voluntary IAEA...

thelibertydaily.com

 

[Maser]

Given all of Israel's hostile actions against Iran and trying to coerce us into fighting them as well, it's no surprise that Iran wants nukes to defend themselves. Also, how many decades have we been hearing about "Iran is just weeks or even days from developing a nuke"? I seriously hope I'm wrong about this, but be prepared for false flags happening on our soil during this ceasefire that Israel will blame on Iran.

 

[supercorndogs]

"Iran wants nukes to defend themselves."

"Israel and Iran with nukes is the same."

Has anyone in here heard the phrase state sponsored terrorism and know why we use it and who it's basically always used for.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Israel does not have nukes according to Israel and says they have no program and nothing to inspect.

The rest of these third world Mullahs who cannot keep their mouths shut… open themselves to whatever… including getting their shit blown up.

Lesson: if you are going to build a nuke… STFU about it. These days you don’t even need to test it. They are as reliable as gravity. Build it and keep the world guessing

But nooooo… all these “rivers of your own blood” Baghdad Bob blowhards start their program by shouting from some balcony: “we are going to start to build the new ‘Schlong of Allah’ and the minute it is completed we will use it to fuck The Greatest Satan like a sexy goat on Date night.” (Good plan… announcing your intent to a people who can turn your shithole into glass easier than swatting a fly. And that doesn’t even include what the U.S. military can do to them!”

South Africa was like Israel… they STFU’d and got away with it it. . Until they were a nuclear nation. (They later gave up their nukes. If they had them. Which they did.)

India did the same. Poof! One day they popped a nuke. Surprise!!!

And once you are in the club… you probably don’t get inspected! Or don’t care.

So the short version is that Israel has nothing to inspect. Right? Right? Move along…

Sirhr

 

[BoilerUP]

Israel has had nukes for four-plus decades, they just weren't signees of the NPT.

They haven't threatened their neighbors with eradication just for existing, however.

 

[Tokay444]

Because the jews are better than everyone. Just ask them. They'll tell you.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Because the jews are better than everyone. Just ask them. They'll tell you.

I thought that was Texans?

The 'real' chosen people!

Sirhr

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Israel does not have nukes according to Israel and says they have no program and nothing to inspect.

A briefing in 1967 did not agree, with those words. They had a special loaded right before the US stepped in & said,... FULL STOP.

 

[Maggot]

I thought that was Texans?

The 'real' chosen people!

Sirhr

-Texans think so. The rest of us have a good laugh.

 

[Tokay444]

-Texans think so. The rest of us have a good laugh.

As with the Jews.

 

[W54/XM-388]

A briefing in 1967 did not agree, with those words. They had a special loaded right before the US stepped in & said,... FULL STOP.

As I recall it was possibly also yet another episode of Israel blackmailing the USA.

Basically Israel said either you back us and help us win the war or we will start nuking folks and see how much you like it.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Israel has had nukes for four-plus decades, they just weren't signees of the NPT.

They haven't threatened their neighbors with eradication just for existing, however.

Perhaps you haven't read the details of Israel's "Samson" plan and also what they threaten US and other "allies" with.

Yep they have stated that if we don't protect them from invasion, they will try to nuke us.

Kind of sounds like the talk from the rest of the sand dwellers.

 

[The D]

You can be Libya or you can be North Korea. Which one will it be?

 

[BoilerUP]

Perhaps you haven't read the details of Israel's "Samson" plan and also what they threaten US and other "allies" with.

Yep they have stated that if we don't protect them from invasion, they will try to nuke us.

Kind of sounds like the talk from the rest of the sand dwellers.

The Samson Option is about a massive nuclear strike on an adversary if Israel's military is close to being defeated, even by conventional forces.

I've seen absolutely nothing about Isreal threatning to "nuke us" if "we don't protect them from invasion".

I *have* seen speculation that they've told the US they would deploy nuclear weapons in existential threat scenarios if the US did not intervene on their behalf...such as Iran being a nuclear threat. That is substantially different than threatening to use nuclear weapons on their biggest ally.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

A briefing in 1967 did not agree, with those words. They had a special loaded right before the US stepped in & said,... FULL STOP.

We know they have nukes. They know we know.

But according to them they don’t and that’s that. Thats their story and they are sticking to it!

Sirhr

 

[W54/XM-388]

I've seen absolutely nothing about Isreal threatning to "nuke us" if "we don't protect them from invasion".

I *have* seen speculation that they've told the US they would deploy nuclear weapons in existential threat scenarios if the US did not intervene on their behalf...such as Iran being a nuclear threat. That is substantially different than threatening to use nuclear weapons on their biggest ally.

You need to do more research...
No, Israel very much walks around wearing a diplomatic suicide vest telling folks behind closed doors that if they go down, they are taking everyone they "didn't feel helped them enough" with them.

The papers are out there.

Find it yourself, then you'll understand.
This is one I won't spoon feed you.

Nations do not have "friends", nations only have Interests.
Israel knows that and isn't afraid to say the quiet part in a stage whisper.

 

[BoilerUP]

*Makes statement
*Refuses to provide supporting source
*"Won't spoonfeed you, find it yourself"

Okay.... I struck out on the Google machine, can you offer a breadcrumb?

Did Israel say behind closed doors how they planned to deploy nuclear weapons against the United States, despite not possessing a weapon system capable of doing so against CONUS?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

We know they have nukes. They know we know.

But according to them they don’t and that’s that. Thats their story and they are sticking to it!

Sirhr

While we know its their lie, but they don't tell it well enough,... for some,...

 

[P-Squared]

I thought that was Texans?

The 'real' chosen people!

Sirhr

Do you know the difference between a Texas cowboy and an Arizona cowboy?

In Arizona the cow shit is on the outside of the boots.

 

[W54/XM-388]

, despite not possessing a weapon system capable of doing so against CONUS?

HA!
Officially Israel doesn't even have nuclear weapons... (officially).
If you have rockets that can launch satellites, you can have ICBMs with a few mods.

Or perhaps you don't remember when we were squawking all about North Korea and their "peaceful satellite launches"

Given how much Israel essentially openly spies on the USA and steals stuff, do you think they don't already have plenty of plans and tech for the "mods" that would be needed and such?

Also you don't happen to be ignorant enough to think that Israel with all the control they have over our governments, how many folks in power or in administration are more loyal to Israel than to the USA, can't easily have "something" already here in one of their embassies or other sites?

 

[P-Squared]

Well on the bright side (not canned sunshine bright), Israel can not say Iran is weeks away from having a nuke anymore. I wonder what the next excuse will be.

 

[Detroit_1]

 

[lariat]

Well on the bright side (not canned sunshine bright), Israel can not say Iran is weeks away from having a nuke anymore. I wonder what the next excuse will be.

The moved uranium.

 

[lariat]

*Makes statement
*Refuses to provide supporting source
*"Won't spoonfeed you, find it yourself"

Okay.... I struck out on the Google machine, can you offer a breadcrumb?

Did Israel say behind closed doors how they planned to deploy nuclear weapons against the United States, despite not possessing a weapon system capable of doing so against CONUS?

Article from just this week.

New Leak Reveals Israel’s ‘Samson Option’ Includes American Cities on Nuclear Target List - VT Foreign Policy

A trove of documents released this week, reportedly obtained through a cyberattack on Israeli military intelligence servers, appears to confirm long-speculated claims about Israel’s “Samson Option”—a last-resort nuclear strategy to destroy the world if Israeli existence is threatened.

vtforeignpolicy.com

And a quote from 2003, way before this latest dust-up:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Samson_Option

"In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[37] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[38]

However, according to Aluf Yitzhak Yaakov, who was the mastermind behind the "Samson Option",[39] it was unlikely Israel could have even targeted Europe,[citation needed] as Israel did not yet have other measures like bombs or missiles to carry the nuclear payload."

(They have that technology now.)

So, I took the quote and did some research. Here is a part of the interview. Note how this is also tied to the current Gaza conflict - they planned to push them out long ago and the details in the interview are quite current. Again, this was in 2003.

https://rense.com/general87/destroy.htm

https://wsarch.ucr.edu/wsnmail/2003/msg00225.html

 

[Mongo68]

Well on the bright side (not canned sunshine bright), Israel can not say Iran is weeks away from having a nuke anymore. I wonder what the next excuse will be.

I think that’s one of the reasons Don unleashed the stealth flying Doritos...

 

[doubloon]

Israel does not have nukes according to Israel

They lie.

At present there are 9 countries in the world that possess nuclear weapons. They are:

• Russia
• United States
• China
• France
• United Kingdom
• Pakistan
• India
• Israel
• North Korea

 

[sirhrmechanic]

At present there are 9 countries in the world that possess nuclear weapons. They are:

• Russia
• United States
• China
• France
• United Kingdom
• Pakistan
• India
• Israel
• North Korea

“Those lying Goy’s” — the big noses.

;-)

 

[BoilerUP]

Article from just this week.

New Leak Reveals Israel’s ‘Samson Option’ Includes American Cities on Nuclear Target List - VT Foreign Policy

A trove of documents released this week, reportedly obtained through a cyberattack on Israeli military intelligence servers, appears to confirm long-speculated claims about Israel’s “Samson Option”—a last-resort nuclear strategy to destroy the world if Israeli existence is threatened.

vtforeignpolicy.com

Thank you for that.

I'm not sure I equate "global deterrance attack" with "we're gonna nuke ya if you don't protect us" or "if we go down the world goes down"...but hey, I've misjudged things before. I also note the screenshots posted, with highlighted text describing the "Samson Option", lack attribution and don't align with pretty much everything else available on it.

I will say nothing about this surpises me if true, as I guarantee the USA has "plans" to launch on every major city/capital in the world, including every single one of our allies.

 

[lariat]

Thank you for that.

I'm not sure I equate "global deterrance attack" with "we're gonna nuke ya if you don't protect us" or "if we go down the world goes down"...but hey, I've misjudged things before. I also note the screenshots posted, with highlighted text describing the "Samson Option", lack attribution and don't align with pretty much everything else available on it.

I will say nothing about this surpises me if true, as I guarantee the USA has "plans" to launch on every major city/capital in the world, including every single one of our allies.

I added some since you posted I think.

I'm pretty neutral in all this, just looking at the data points, current and historical. I figure we are all non-players so anything we say or conclude will change nothing. We are just along for the ride, so no need to get overly worked up about any of it.

 

[Detroit_1]

. I also note the screenshots posted, with highlighted text describing the "Samson Option", lack attribution and don't align with pretty much everything else available on it.

You did note it was a book written by Seymour Hersh / you know who Seymour Hersh is?

You can even find that as a pdf for free if you want to read it.

 

[ken226]

I thought that was Texans?

The 'real' chosen people!

Sirhr

An old classic, and one of the oldest videos on youtube. It's still funny, even if you've seen it a hundred times:

 

[91Eunozs]

*Makes statement
*Refuses to provide supporting source
*"Won't spoonfeed you, find it yourself"

Okay.... I struck out on the Google machine, can you offer a breadcrumb?

Did Israel say behind closed doors how they planned to deploy nuclear weapons against the United States, despite not possessing a weapon system capable of doing so against CONUS?

That’s ‘cause them jewboys dun gone and hid it on the interwebs….

 

[Maggot]

We know they have nukes. They know we know.

But according to them they don’t and that’s that. Thats their story and they are sticking to it!

Sirhr

FUCK.
THEM.

 

[Maggot]

Also you don't happen to be ignorant enough to think that Israel with all the control they have over our governments, how many folks in power or in administration are more loyal to Israel than to the USA, can't easily have "something" already here in one of their embassies or other sites?

^^^^^

Samson Option​

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Samson_Option




The Samson Option is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has ...

 

[BoilerUP]

You did note it was a book written by Seymour Hersh / you know who Seymour Hersh is?

You can even find that as a pdf for free if you want to read it.

The screencaps with highlighted text aren't lifted directly from Hersh's book....

 

[Aftermath]

Maybe it's sort of a you said...carbon units.
Millions of Jews already carbonized.

 

[Maggot]

Article from just this week.

New Leak Reveals Israel’s ‘Samson Option’ Includes American Cities on Nuclear Target List - VT Foreign Policy

A trove of documents released this week, reportedly obtained through a cyberattack on Israeli military intelligence servers, appears to confirm long-speculated claims about Israel’s “Samson Option”—a last-resort nuclear strategy to destroy the world if Israeli existence is threatened.

vtforeignpolicy.com

And a quote from 2003, way before this latest dust-up:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Samson_Option

"In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[37] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:


However, according to Aluf Yitzhak Yaakov, who was the mastermind behind the "Samson Option",[39] it was unlikely Israel could have even targeted Europe,[citation needed] as Israel did not yet have other measures like bombs or missiles to carry the nuclear payload."

(They have that technology now.)

So, I took the quote and did some research. Here is a part of the interview. Note how this is also tied to the current Gaza conflict - they planned to push them out long ago and the details in the interview are quite current. Again, this was in 2003.

https://rense.com/general87/destroy.htm

https://wsarch.ucr.edu/wsnmail/2003/msg00225.html

That is (almost) beyond belief, that they destroy the whole world out of spite. My opinion of them, already in the toilet, has just graduated to the cesspool. If true, we should park 5-6 subs off their coast and on the high holy day irradiate the entire country.

 

[lariat]

The screencaps with highlighted text aren't lifted directly from Hersh's book....

Correct. I highlighted those for those who don't read whole posts. It was from a 2003 interview that I listed sources below it.

What I found interesting is that a statement in 2003 and has been discussed very frequently since then appears to be backed up by the recent hacking and subsequent leak. Not to mention how it ties out the ongoing events in Gaza.

 

[Detroit_1]

The screencaps with highlighted text aren't lifted directly from Hersh's book....

Why not just say you haven't read it?

Why not just say that not only have you not read it, b/c you want to slide the thread, and b/c it isn't an NYT review it isn't real? B/c that is what it sounds like you're saying.

I have read it.

 

[Detroit_1]

More of the same:

Lindsey now states as FACT - total weight of missing and unaccounted for HIGHLY Enriched uranium at 900 pounds. (Highly enriched = 20% or more)


MSNBC is great propaganda - they are driving the theme that the US role in all of this is not over. They present as fact: the uranium was moved (not sure how they know that as fact?); then they trot out Sen Murphy (D - Con) who doubles down as FACT with 1/2 of America that the UR was moved / claims it is 60% enrichment (I have never read this). Then tells everyone T$ Admin is lying to America and has committed the unforgivable sin - "they fudged intelligence about our national security which is what gets us into unnecessary wars of choice"

 

[BoilerUP]

Why not just say you haven't read it?

Why not just say that not only have you not read it, b/c you want to slide the thread, and b/c it isn't an NYT review it isn't real? B/c that is what it sounds like you're saying.

I have read it.

I'm not quite sure what "slide the thread" means...but I freely concede that I have NOT read "Samson's Option" by Seymour Hersh. Perhaps since you have read it and I haven't gotten to it yet (did find a link and plan to read it soon), can you tell me if the book explicitly or implictly states says Israel intends to nuke the entire world should they be invaded and face defeat?

I've been curious about the attribution to this, which was an unattributed screencap on the VTforeignpolicy link above:

Lariat later provided a link to a wikiwand article that has this attribution in it:

Contrary to what some might think, I'm not trying to be difficult - simply looking for something to support rather strong accusations other than "trust me bro".

 

[Redlion]

I think that the U.S. should stop cooperating with the UN as well.

 

[Detroit_1]

Boiler - you do realize I didn't claim as fact that the Sampson Option included burning it all down if it doesn't go their way - right? Furthermore you realize the synopsis of Hersh's 1990's book never made that claim either - right?

You are inferring that I said that.

Ya know a man named Saul wrote a book about how to argue your point......seems like you might have read a page or two about that.

 

[BoilerUP]

Boiler - you do realize I didn't claim as fact that the Sampson Option included burning it all down if it doesn't go their way - right?

Yes...I'm not sure I ever claimed YOU said that. However, others in this thread have made that claim, which is what the highlighted text on the screencap says.

That's why I asked you, who said you had read "Samson's Option", if the book actually included what the highlighted text said.

I'm guessing/assuming that the book "Samson's Option" by Hersh does not actually say that Israel would "bring down the pillars of the world", but rather Rosenbaum's book was the (unattributed) root source of the highlighted text...with a healthy bit of assumption/extrapolation.

But hey, I could definitely be wrong in my guess/assumption.

I look forward to reading "Samson's Option" myself.

 

[lariat]

More of the same:

Lindsey now states as FACT - total weight of missing and unaccounted for HIGHLY Enriched uranium at 900 pounds. (Highly enriched = 20% or more)


MSNBC is great propaganda - they are driving the theme that the US role in all of this is not over. They present as fact: the uranium was moved (not sure how they know that as fact?); then they trot out Sen Murphy (D - Con) who doubles down as FACT with 1/2 of America that the UR was moved / claims it is 60% enrichment (I have never read this). Then tells everyone T$ Admin is lying to America and has committed the unforgivable sin - "they fudged intelligence about our national security which is what gets us into unnecessary wars of choice"

This is THE salient point. No one has been allowed in since the bombings. No one but the Iranians knows what has and hasn't been destroyed. Thats what I'm trying to say - its all conjecture and narrative formation with no discernable proof presented by a politican that hasn't found a war he doesn't like. But it is being used to promote the next steps by Graham and others. Want to bet Iran knows this too? Anyone want to bet against the fact that Russia and China are advising them on how to proceed?

We are stumbling into a major conflict based on what? The desires of others who aren't US citizens? It isn't wise to have arrived at this juncture.