What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

bhart89

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I have access to a Dillon 550b that is currently set up to reload .223

Are dies in .308 the only thing I'll need to reload for my Savage 10fp and DPMS LR308 on it? Or will I need a new shellplate or other items?

I think there are shell plates for 9mm and .45acp avaialbe too if that makes a difference.
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

The .45ACP shellplate and locator pins will work for .308 and any other cartridge with the same head dimensions.
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

Caliber change kit: shellplate, locator pins, powder funnel.

If primer size is different, you also need a primer feed tube and primer punch with the correct primer diameter. Primer pickup tubes in large and small primer diameters are a basic need when both size primers are being encountered.

I simplify matters by mounting the dies in an additional separate tool head with powder die, and for the three most common calibers I load, I keep a separate powder measure assembly mounted, too.

I also keep an entire primer feed system for each diameter, and an additional primer punch slide, already set up with the correct punch.

Maintaining these small extras can reduce caliber changeover time to its absolute minimum, because basic initial setups and adjustments are already good to go.

When mounting the measure, the initial setup requires the powder die height to set up so the powder slide's end gets just flush with the measure body when the measure and press are syncronized at full stroke. If there's any 'forcing', the die is too low <span style="text-decoration: line-through">high</span>. If there's a significant bit of the slide protruding at full stroke, the powder die is too high <span style="text-decoration: line-through">low</span>, the measure is not operating at full stroke, and charge weight consistency can be degraded. Ideally, at full stroke, thumbing the end of the slide will induce a tiny but perceptible amount of additional movement before it hits the limit fof its possible travel.

The measure's 'fail-safe' rod should be adjusted a little too short, then allowed to 'click' at full stroke to get the length adjustment optimal.

I also keep powder measure slides of different gross capacities available.

When setting up the resizing and seating dies, once I get the adjustments right, I loosen the die lock ring, run the press up to full stroke with components inside the dies, and tighten the lock rings down while the press is fully extended. This can help with concentricity.

If the stroke includes a significant amount of force during 'camover', it becomes possible that dies are adjusted too low, and imposing forces on the press that are both unnecessary and injurious to the equipment.

The main vertical operating rod should be kept spotlessly clean and lightly lubed with common motor oil. If you can see black gunk, it's dirty and should be cleaned and relubricated without delay. A few drops, evenly distributed, is enough.

The shellplate is tightened until it binds, then loosened just enough to allow rotation without a bind. This reduces stacking tolerance to a minimal level. Excessive stacked tolerances can increase variances associated with the press's vertical stroke.

When replacing the primer punch/slide, loosen the primer feed tube base screws, run the primer punch all the way up, and tighten the primer feed tube base screws. This allows the primer punch to be properly centered and smooths out its operation.

When adjusting the powder measure, I will drop and collect ten charges, then compare their total weight to 10x the intentional charge weight.

This allows finer tuning of the powder measure without having to resort to superfine scales. If you allow time for filling/emptying at each end of the stroke, and maintain a consistent stroking rhythm, this total can fall to within .2gr of the proper 10x value (this translates to an accuracy of .02gr per avarage charge). It's a good way to to learn how to perfect the timing and rhythm, and the best way I know to deal with dropping better and more consistent cylindrical powder charges.

If I am measuring my charges, I will set up the measure to drop charges within a range where the lightest variations are equal to or slightly higher than desired weights, then pinch grains from the scale pan to correct the charge weight. No adding needed, and the excess gets dropped back into the top of the powder hopper.

When operating the press, always eyeball the powder level in the case for each case before advancing to the next station.

Also make a serious effort to keep the face of the primer punch clear of errant powder kernels, etc., as these can emboss a pattern in the face of the primer as it is seated.

If ringlike slivers of copper can be seen accumulating, the case neck is shaving the bullet while seating it.

Chamfering/belling the case necks can resolve this, but it can also be an early warning indication that case necks are getting sgnificantly work hardened, causing neck tension issues.

If you're using a neck sizer ball, careful additional partial strokes, bumping the end of the case mouth of the already resized case with the ball can impart a small amount of case mouth belling.

Be careful, sometimes the decapping stem length adjustemnt can be such that the right length for belling can also influence powder measure consistency if the measure gets even partially stroked. The optimal length for the decapper stem when at full stroke, it gently bottoms out on the inside of the case base. This works best when flash holes have been consistently reamed.

Greg
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

For those that have a Dillon 550b, do you have a complete tool head assembly (powerder measure and all the others) to simplify caliber changes or do you go through the trouble of changing dies, shelplates, etc.?
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When operating the press, always eyeball the powder level in the case for each case before advancing to the next station.
Greg </div></div>

Or get the powder checker, not a precise measurement but will tell you if you are over- or under-charged.

Like Greg, I keep a seperate setup with dies and powder measure isntalled and adjusted, and have two each of the large and small primer towers. Dillon also sells a maintenance kit with commonly needed parts. You can take parts out of thi kit, get back up and running, and just put the new parts in the kit when they arrive.

1911fan
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

I'm looking to convert my 650 from 223 to 308 and figured it would run close to $400. Caliber kit, toolhead, casefeed plate and case gauge from Dillon is $174.79 shipped. A redding FL die, Redding carbide button, crimp die, and comp seater is about $170. A second toolhead would be nice to have for seperate prep vs loading.
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

Then there's the components, brass, bullets, powder, primers... this reloading thing sure isn't saving me any money
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Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

Have to laugh. I started out saving $$. Now it's a hobby that saves on one hand, while I spend on the other. However, it's the 2nd most fun I can have with my pants on, the first is flying, and that's 100+ and hour.

dan, you want all the boy toys? I go through the process of changing the toolhead, primer bar, etc. It's pain, but the alternative is, more $$. So I load all my .223 brass, change to .308, then to .243.

One shooter here posted a pix with two 550's, that's the trick. Bet they are for different size primers? The other changes seem to be on line with Dillons advertised, quick caliber changes.

Wonder whay Dillon says caliber changes in minutes?
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

Oh yeah forgot about the $75 plus tax and shipping for the Giraud caliber change... So almost $500 for me to change from 223 to 308.
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bhart89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those that have a Dillon 550b, do you have a complete tool head assembly (powerder measure and all the others) to simplify caliber changes or do you go through the trouble of changing dies, shelplates, etc.? </div></div>


It's a good idea to have a tool head for every caliber you want to reload, set up and on standby, as well as pertinent shell plates, index pins and powder funnels which come in the conversion kits. I have one powder dispenser but several bars. I've been meaning to pick up an additional measure, but since I typically use it just for pistol cases, it hasn't become a priority.

The manual contains a cross reference for the various plates, pins, and funnels that can be mixed and matched for various cases so that you don't have to have unneeded parts unless you want them!
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

These days I'm a frugal guy. I was self employed and a bit more flush back in the days when I got hold of the extras. Definitely an investment which has paid and paid and paid.

Components are not cheap, and getting dearer, but for me, the initial investment has been recouped long ago, and now, when I need the break, I have it.

I personally believe that agruments disfavoring handloading as a means of economizng the shooting process are probably discounting the value of time, the effects of inflation, and the economies of scale.

IMHO, the sooner you invest, the sooner the return, and comparatively small additional investments in enhancements pay off even bigger, especially in terms of time saved. It boils down to the question, how much is your time worth to you? How much is your time worth to your family?

Where match quality accuracy is concerned, it's extremely hard to find factory ammo that brings out the potential of a rifle the way handloading can; and that factory ammo is <span style="font-style: italic">bound</span> to cost several limbs worth more than handloading, with the savings compounding as the hand production expands.

The lessons I've accumulated are, the longer you wait before handloading, the more money you waste on inflated factory ammo prices and the more expensive the handloading implements become, due to inflation. I'd rather have inflation working for me, by discounting the comparative cost as time advances, than against me by raising the bar relating to future acquisition costs.

Greg
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

You go Greg! Econ 101. We addressed the time element in another thread, you were right on then too. I think Qee or Wil had the point of the day on the time element. What is the value of doing what you enjoy? For me, it's a matter of something to do, whenever I want. Then, range time is the reward for the effort.

As for family guys, bet the wife is happy she knows exactly where to find you when she wants to hand you the honey-do list. Get that done, and you escape to the range, win/win situation.
 
Re: What is needed to convert a Dillon from 223 - 308?

I agree with Greg, the longer you wait the more expensive things will get. I have a good amount of .223 and .308 Black Hills ammo I bought a few years ago pretty cheap compared to todays prices. I could shoot that stuff for a while but hate to do that knowing how much that ammo goes for now. The price of factory ammo is partly why I got into reloading. I still think that at close to $500 for a caliber change is a little ridiculous, at least the shellplate and a few parts can be interchanged with 45 ACP which I also shoot. At that price I might as well get a good single stage press and go for as high precision as I can on 308.