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Rifle Scopes What is this Forged carbon mount black magic??

heres a thought....

do we really need rings that are so strong that the scope itself or the receiver become the weak link in the chain?

for instance, if something went horridly wrong - maybe dropping the rig off a bench - would we prefer the scope to break, or the rings, or the threads to strip out of the receiver?

shouldnt the cheapest part to replace be the one designed to fail? (whilst still being durable enough to do its job reliably)
 
The part I am trying to understand is why you would want to have the mount with zero thermal expansion when it is clamped around an aluinum tube that does expand a little with heat. Making everything match would probably be a more interesting idea.

Either way, the temperature extremes that the scope and the mount go through are not that large, so I am not sure it matters, but I still wonder why they think zero thermal expansion is a good thing in this case. If it mattered, we'd see someone make a mount out of invar.

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My thoughts exactly. I use aluminum rings to hold aluminum tubes hoping they stay relatively close in size whether I'm in 0* or 100*.

Add in that the insert size is changing, however minutely, and I have seen heat and cold break everything. I have seen 100* swings in a day, so not something I feel like I need. (I shoot outside when it's -40*f, to 100*f. It may normally be between 20 and 80*, but if it's a calm day and I'm bored I will be shooting).
 
heres a thought....

do we really need rings that are so strong that the scope itself or the receiver become the weak link in the chain?

for instance, if something went horridly wrong - maybe dropping the rig off a bench - would we prefer the scope to break, or the rings, or the threads to strip out of the receiver?

shouldnt the cheapest part to replace be the one designed to fail? (whilst still being durable enough to do its job reliably)
This is definitely a point to consider. I am aware of race teams that purposely engineer failure points into their wheel forgings, which are aluminum, so as to spare more expensive components on the vehicle. Wheels are cheap enough and easy to replace vs. a sophisticated suspension setup that’s not only expensive, but also labor intensive to replace.
 
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I think it's interesting, I'm not sure I see a use case, then again rifle shooters are paying $2000 for chassis, $800 for bipods, $400 handguards, and $300 for muzzle brakes, tripod clamps, and tripod plates to mount stuff on, $100 for a simple arca plate, etc.. So clearly marketing to rational spending customers is not a concern, so $400 is probably too cheap :) That said I'm all about seeing new tech being applied.

The NF unimount is basically the same weight, years of use/abuse have shown it more than strong enough. I'd bet most of the higher quality AL one piece mounts the scope or action/rail mount screws would fail before the mount itself would if subject to the same testing. So it doesn't really seem to provide a "needed" strength advantage.

No one in the PRS/long range game is concerned about a few ounces of scope mount weight on their 22lb 6mm. Even for weight weenies (what we called them in the mountain biking world) trying to build ultralight hunting rigs, nothing is going to be lighter than a direct mount setup like NF etc. because you're dropping 3-4oz of rail weight. Even individual rings on a rail are going to be lighter than a 1 piece mount on a rail.

Going more "techy" would be interesting, looking at things like:

1) Will the uneven expansion between the rail/mount, and rings/optic cause issues? If you torque them on a steel rail and aluminum tube scope at 110F degrees in the summer will they slip when it's -20F because of how much the rail/tube will shrink and the carbon won't. Might not be enough to matter either way.

2) Does the "textured" nature of the carbon fiber "grab" onto the scope tube better, these days it seems like the only real issue people run into is either mounts that slip, or clamps that crack. Many times both are caused by user error.

3) Does the carbon fiber nature of the rings allow them to flex and "even" out slight screw torque differences better than AL/Steel which might also aid in scope tube holding power.

4) Does the mount flex more or less than steel/aluminum, and if so does that mean it's transferring more or less shock/vibration to the optic under recoil. If less that might help with long term scope durability, but if it's more it may increase failure issues with some optics. Again with high quality optics probably doesn't matter but interesting.

Those issues would be more interesting marketing/competitive advantage to me than it's light and strong, because it seems like we already have light/strong mounts available that have proven for years they are already doing more than we need.
 
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