What rear bag shooting F - TR w/ a McM A5

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Re: What rear bag shooting F - TR w/ a McM A5

I have the same problem, for me the caldwell rear bag and a heavy leather glove works okay, were i to do it all aver again, i'd go with a full toe stock but the glove bag combo is alright for now
 
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Re: What rear bag shooting F - TR w/ a McM A5

This is the reason I'm going with the manners T4A over the A5 they have a nice flat area behind the hook for the rifle to travel on the bag during recoil
 
#4
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i asked myself this question a long time ago answered it with a thick blk sock and a bag of pinto's. prob solved worked great
 
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I have had the same problem with my A-5. You might want to check out the Manner's T2. No butthook, angled from front to back for easily vertical adjustments. Just alot more functional for F-Class in my opinion. You could sell your A-5 here and then buy the Manner's T2 with money to spare.

Eddie
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm working up to shooting F class. Bipod on the front, bag under the rear. My rifle has a McM A-5 stock and I'm falling out of love with the hook.

Anyone who shoots with an A4 or A5 got any suggestions? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the same problem, for me the caldwell rear bag and a heavy leather glove works okay, were i to do it all aver again, i'd go with a full toe stock but the glove bag combo is alright for now </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have had the same problem with my A-5. You might want to check out the Manner's T2. No butthook, angled from front to back for easily vertical adjustments. Just alot more functional for F-Class in my opinion. You could sell your A-5 here and then buy the Manner's T2 with money to spare.

Eddie </div></div>
What is the problem you guys are having? JMHO, but maybe you guys just need to figure out your NPA and work on resetting it for every shot. I shoot my X-Ray 51 .308 (uses a re-worked McMillan A5) in F-T/R trim (off a bipod and rear bag) all the time and have shot pretty well with it in the three F-Class matches I've shot. There are guys shooting against me using F-Open rigs such as 6.5x47s' with flat-bottom stocks off of front rests and heavy rear bags too.

I'm far from an expert, but instead of using the hook, try letting the hook ride on top of the (rear) bag with the butt in the pocket of your shoulder. Depending upon how much I need to elevate the rear in relation to the front, I use either a Red Tac Gear Rear Bag or Tactical Pillow.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Juice5610</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the reason I'm going with the manners T4A over the A5 they have a nice flat area behind the hook for the rifle to travel on the bag during recoil </div></div>
Uh...the A5 has a flat, straight bottom behind the hook that can also ride the bag.



Keith
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is the problem you guys are having? JMHO, but maybe you guys just need to figure out your NPA and work on resetting it for every shot. I shoot my X-Ray 51 .308 (uses a re-worked McMillan A5) in F-T/R trim (off a bipod and rear bag) all the time and have shot pretty well with it in the three F-Class matches I've shot. There are guys shooting against me using F-Open rigs such as 6.5x47s' with flat-bottom stocks off of front rests and heavy rear bags too.

I'm far from an expert, but instead of using the hook, try letting the hook ride on top of the (rear) bag with the butt in the pocket of your shoulder. Depending upon how much I need to elevate the rear in relation to the front, I use either a Red Tac Gear Rear Bag or Tactical Pillow.


Keith </div></div>

The question is really for me is what size bag works with the hook, and whether folks are putting it behind it or in front of it. This really has nothing to do with NPA.

Honestly, I think that I'd be happier w/o it, my second 308 has a B&C A2 and I like the way it rides the bag better than the A5. If I wasn't using a bag and the butt was riding on my offhand then the hook is a better idea. (JMO) I'll give it a couple of months and If I still feel that way I may think about trading the A5 for an A2, but till then I think I'll try the Triad bag.
 
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I'm shooting 1/2 minute groups at 100 yards fairly reliably without rear support. Bipod, non-shooting hand thumb and index finger grip on the bottom of the AICS, and very firm shoulder pressure using the shooting hand. Am I doing it wrong? I know I won't win any matches this way. That's not the point.
 
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Aries64, I am not saying the A-5 is not a wonderful stock. I am just saying after numerous discussions with several F-class shooters in my area, that there are better options for minute adjustments that can be made with other stocks. We have found that the Manners T2 seems easier to adjust vertical no matter what rear bag you are using. None of us are professionals but we are weekend warriors and through thourough discussion, the T2 is the best for our application.

Eddie
 
#12
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I use an A5 on my 6.5x47L for F class and use an old soft leather sand bag thats been wrapped in Black Duct tape to my liking...works for me...I think if you want to stay competetive you need to find what works best for you and your application...these things sometimes don't look nice but they get the job done!! YMMV
 
#13
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With the larger pillow for the back. You will be able to use the butt hook fine. The A5, A4 and AI stocks will work great. You should be able to shoot under a 1/2 Moa with that set up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ltfirehunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just get a bag big enought to lay your head on.
I try and take a nap between shots, and it works well for me.</div></div>

That is because you are old!!!!
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I use my simple sand sock (army sock filled with popcorn that I have had for years) from the prone no vise or bench rests at all. A-5 with my bipod. At the expense of coming off like a jerk, I personally think it might either be your technique that is to blame or maybe you bought the wrong equipment for your rifle's intended role? It's a great stock that fills it's tactical role wonderfully. If you want to shoot benchrest buy a benchrest stock not a tactical stock. Just my 2 pennies. not trying to offend
 
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I have used a hoodie in a pinch with great results. I think an A5-3 stock would be a nice fix for the problem. A5 forend that most like with an A3 butt to deal with the hook problem. I know they have popped out the opposite with A3 forend and A5 back.

You might be able to fab up a skid to attach to it and have a nice flat plane for recoil. Maybe something that bolts in place of the sling swivel and would just have to be a simple piece of aluminum that will ride a bag.

My setup for the A5's though is a eared bag with some small bean bags I got at Tac pro. The hoodie is for when I get there and have forgotten the other shit though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is the problem you guys are having? JMHO, but maybe you guys just need to figure out your NPA and work on resetting it for every shot. I shoot my X-Ray 51 .308 (uses a re-worked McMillan A5) in F-T/R trim (off a bipod and rear bag) all the time and have shot pretty well with it in the three F-Class matches I've shot. There are guys shooting against me using F-Open rigs such as 6.5x47s' with flat-bottom stocks off of front rests and heavy rear bags too.

I'm far from an expert, but instead of using the hook, try letting the hook ride on top of the (rear) bag with the butt in the pocket of your shoulder. Depending upon how much I need to elevate the rear in relation to the front, I use either a Red Tac Gear Rear Bag or Tactical Pillow.


Keith </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The question is really for me is what size bag works with the hook, and whether folks are putting it behind it or in front of it.</div></div>
I've shot using both the Red Tac Gear Tactical Pillow and it's little brother (the Red Tac Gear Rear Bag). I like the height of the Tactical Pillow, but the compact size of the Rear Bag. (I use the bag <span style="font-style: italic">in front of</span> the hook with either bag, and the Tactical Pillow "crowds" my wrist a bit).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This really has nothing to do with NPA.</div></div>
So, you don't think that shooting from his or her NPA will help a shooter shoot more consistently?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, I think that I'd be happier w/o it, my second 308 has a B&C A2 and I like the way it rides the bag better than the A5. If I wasn't using a bag and the butt was riding on my offhand then the hook is a better idea. (JMO) I'll give it a couple of months and If I still feel that way I may think about trading the A5 for an A2, but till then I think I'll try the Triad bag.</div></div>
When you say <span style="font-style: italic">"the Triad bag"</span>, are you referring to the "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Red Tac Gear Tactical Pillow</span></span>" that <span style="font-style: italic">dar</span> linked to, or are you talking about the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Triad Tapered Rear Bag</span></span>". Either way, if the A5 isn't working for you, you should definitely try different bags before changing the stock (why spend the money if you can get the A5 to work well for you).


Keith
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aries64, I am not saying the A-5 is not a wonderful stock.</div></div>
I don't think that people should infer that the A5 is a <span style="font-style: italic">"wonderful"</span> stock for everyone for F-Class shooting. I was just curious what "problem" you, <span style="font-style: italic">XTR</span>, and <span style="font-style: italic">attherange</span> are having with the A5's hook. <span style="font-style: italic">XTR</span> said <span style="font-style: italic">"I'm working up to shooting F class. Bipod on the front, bag under the rear. My rifle has a McM A-5 stock and I'm falling out of love with the hook. Anyone who shoots with an A4 or A5 got any suggestions?"</span>

Then both you and <span style="font-style: italic">attherange</span> stated that you have/have had <span style="font-style: italic">"the same problem".</span> OK, but <span style="font-style: italic">what problem?</span> Its' difficult offer suggestions to help without an understanding of what problem(s) you're experiencing. While the A4 and A5 were designed with tactical rifles in mind, there are more than a few F-Class shooters' who are using tactical rifles with excellent results - especially in F-T/R, where front rests are not allowed and weight limits are lower.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am just saying after numerous discussions with several F-class shooters in my area, that there are better options for minute adjustments that can be made with other stocks.</div></div>
Understood and well taken. It bears mentions tha there is no <span style="font-style: italic">wonder stock</span> that fits and works equally-well for everyone.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have found that the Manners T2 seems easier to adjust vertical no matter what rear bag you are using. None of us are professionals but we are weekend warriors and through thourough discussion, the T2 is the best for our application.

Eddie </div></div>
The Manners T2 is defintely a great stock and its' good to hear that you have found the best stock for your application.


Keith
 
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