Rifle Scopes What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

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I am looking to outfit my AR with a low end, variable power scope that would allow use of the Bindon Aiming Concept.

Right now my current setup is an EOTech with back up sights on a 16" upper.

I've been looking at a few scopes but I have no knowledge if they allow for BAC.

NXS 1-4x24
MK4 1.5-5x20 M2
XTR 1-4x24

What's been your experience with these?

Thanks guys,
Mike
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

The Bindon Aiming Concept

The Nature of Binocular Sighting


Human vision is based upon a binocular (two eyes) presentation of visual evidence to the brain. The word binocular literally means using both eyes at the same time. We most often associate this word with binocular instruments such as field glasses or a binocular microscope. These instruments specifically strive to present the object to be viewed the same way to both eyes.

Vision research material was examined for its assistance to understand the optically aided weapon aiming process. Three major types of optical enhancement were compared. There are strong customer preferences in reticle designs, some simple reticles enhance the speed of target acquisition, others allow for greater precision in a given time limit.



The simple substitution of a bright red dot for the usual cross-hairs makes it very easy to keep both eyes open. Just as in the Single point or Armson O.E.G. sighting, the brain merges the two images. During dynamic movement, the scene through the telescope blurs because the image moves more rapidly due to magnification. The one eye sees the bright dot against the blurred target scene, so the brain picks the scene from the unaided eye. The shooter swings the weapon towards the target while perceiving the dot indicating where the weapon is pointed. As soon as the weapon begins to become steady in the target area, the brain switches to the magnified view.

A long search was made to try to combine the speed and non-battery features of the Singlepoint or Armson with the precision of the telescopic system. This discovery was made several years ago. Trijicon has sponsored research in the field of human vision to better understand this generic phenomenon. Although the study concentrated on the Armson O.E.G., some aspects are applicable also to the Bindon Aiming Concept
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

I've experimented a little bit with BAC shooting. I run 2 Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x with the TMR reticles. With the objective cover down and the reticle illum. on you can shoot in this fashion pretty easily. It takes a few rounds downrange to learn that there is a bit of a POA shift because you are using 2 focal points (from each eye) and so your impacts may be off to the left or off to the right respectively. Shoot some at 25yd and see how far off to one side the impacts are. Other than that, seems like a nice way to get quick reflexive shots off precluding the use of a reddot scope.
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

It's better to learn to do that with the objective cover up.

You never know where a target will appear, and you may not wish to spend the time to flip the objective cover up to acquire a more distant target.
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

Respectfully, I don't think what Powder Burns is describing is BAC. The BAC acts more like a toggle switch where your brain chooses an image based on its perception of which image is better of the two it is receiving. In PB's description, the brain is taking the optical input from both eyes and combining them into one single panoramic image which is different than BAC, and more like an EOTech affect.

I have a TA55 (5.5X) on my LR-308. On the move, I barely notice the red chevron in the optic. It's a reference point for alignment but I see only the color and relative location, not any detail. My natural eye (left) is generating the image to my brain. When I slow down and/or stop to fire on a target, the "red reference point" is used to bring the carbine up and align with the target. It's at the point at which correct alignment (or close) is achieved that my brain "changes channels" and I am aware of the image through the ACOG. My left eye is fuzzy at that point and while I can perceive movement from the left eye, details are vague. After I've fired on the target and start to move again and loose that alignment through the optic, that image becomes blurry and my brain switches channels back to my left eye. It's more of an "either or". Your brain is wired so it looks for an image that contains the largest amount of "best quality data" for its input. It will select one eye's perspective over the other if there is more useable data to be gathered from that one eye.

The magnification gradient between either eye seems to be key in the equation. Brightness, clarity, and focus are also important but to a little lesser extent IMHO. My Leupold CQT for example at low magnification of 1X or 2X gives me a "seamless" wide panoramic view with the circle/dot reticle superimposed in the field of view (like what you see with the EOTech). When dialed up at 3X, I can achieve the same BAC affect, but just barely. I've noticed on my bolt gun that I can invoke the BAC with my variable power scope set at 5X or so, both eyes open and objective is not covered (like what Lindy described).

I don't think the actual reticle is as important (dot/chevron/post) as the magnification, but for sure it will be easier to see if you can get it illuminated. Obviously you won't want the reticle too busy, but I can find the center point of my illuminated GAP reticle fairly quickly so I wouldn't limit my choices to a specific reticle. If you've got an opportunity, you might mount a variable power scope and play with it a bit if you haven't really "experienced" the BAC. It's neat.

Outside of that, all of the optics you listed are "capable" of BAC but the actual magnification you are able to achieve it most easily may vary.

- Fret
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillPrudden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike -

Are you asking about the ability work with both eyes open on very low mag, like your scope choices imply and John assumed, or the ability to work at 3-4x both eyes open and a magnified image superimposed by your brain inside the non-mag image from the other eye, which is how I understand the BAC?

Bill </div></div>

Yes, basically I was looking to see if I could run a 1-5x setup and use it with both eyes like I do with the EOTech.

I was just curious if I would be able to do that throughout the power range of the scope or if I'm limited to say 1x?

I understand that the ACOGs, being fixed power, allow for BAC.

So, I'm not seeing why these other scopes wouldn't allow the same on the higher magnification settings.
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

the best way to practice the BAC with a low power optic on a rifle is tape over the objective and do close range shooting at like 20-25 yards. You will soon learn that the BAC is pretty effective, it wont be perfect but it will be hits on target. Just dont go into it expecting the kind of accuracy you see with bolt guns
 
Re: What scopes allow for Bindon Aiming Concept?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillPrudden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope this was of some help. Sometimes the best-intended answer only makes things worse...
Bill </div></div>

Agreed, and I don’t want add confusion. But guys I see three different sighting methods explained above and I think only one is correctly identified as BAC.

One method described above is to use an optic with little (1X) or no magnification like an EOTech, keeping both eyes open. What registers on your brain is comparable to the image you see everyday, a “seamless” wide screen panoramic. The only difference is that there is a reticle appearing in the view and as both eyes are focused on a target, you are able to “tune” your sight picture based on that information.

Another method described above is to cover the objective of an illuminated optic and shoot with both eyes open. You do get somewhat a similar affect described above. But it seems “off a little” because with the objective lens covered you don’t have the ability to see “beyond the reticle” and focus on the target. You have to make a correction because your brain is attempting to line up the reticle with information from your other eye (the one actually seeing the target). Your brain is still attempting to combine the two images into one image that makes sense.

The third method described above is what Trijicon presents as the BAC. It is similar to the second method but with no cover on the objective. This means that none of the field of view is sacrificed and your eye can focus on objects beyond the reticle when the time comes. So, instead of trying to combine two images, it will select one as a primary and downplay the other as a secondary. There is no superimposed image.

I’m going to attempt to demonstrate how BAC works, right now, where you are sitting. Try these steps below in sequence:

1.) While you are reading this, stay focused on the text but make mental notes of what else you see in the same panoramic image you see now, generated by both eyes.

2.) Now, put your hand up in front of your right eye, about 6-8” in front of it. Keep both eyes open and continue to read. This is similar to covering your objective. Note that you have lost some of your field of view. As you are reading make note of what you see from your left eye. Obviously you are seeing the text, but you are likely also seeing your monitor, maybe a keyboard, a desk, etc. Really focus on what you are seeing. Both eyes are open but the majority of what you are seeing is registering from your left eye, is it not? You are certainly aware of both, but most of what you are registering is from your left eye. Keep your right eye open and your hand up in front of it and proceed to “3”.

3.) In a moment, I’m going to request that you close your left eye for a few seconds, observe what you see, and then open your left eye back up for some additional observations. Before I do I’m going to explain what to expect. When you close your left eye only (right eye is open) your brain will realize the data stream from the left eye has ceased (i.e. is now inferior to the data from your right eye) and it will switch to the perspective of your right eye instantly, and you will see your palm. When you reopen your left eye and continue to read the text that data now becomes superior to what was registering from your right eye, and it again becomes the primary perspective. You’ll see both, but one will dominate over the other.

Close your left eye now. Did you see what happened? Look off at a distance and open and close your left eye and to make sure you see the difference.

As simplistic as it seems, this is the natural response around which the BAC was developed. It’s not about superimposing images, but about the brain’s ability to make a selection as to which eye it wants to primarily receive data from, and make that decision based on the quality and quantity of information available from each eye independently.

When given a choice between a “normal” image and one that appears to be superior (i.e. brighter, more brilliant, and offers more detail like through an optic) your brain will choose the better of the two. In fact, it will always prefer the better of the two which is where the magnification comes in.

The magnification amplifies movement and makes the image through the optic blurry, and the brain will choose the imagery from your “normal” eye, until it perceives the image through the scope is better than the “normal” eye (as in when you slow it down to bring it on a potential target).

With BAC you are always aware of both, but it’s a true “either or” with respect to your focus. This toggle is done without thinking and almost instantly. Neat, ain’t it? (Sorry for being long winded.)

- Fret