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Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas?
Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWIeK-LQc0
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWIeK-LQc0
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how is she gonna fire the weapon without her finger near the trigger?
how is she gonna fire the weapon without her finger near the trigger?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thorshammer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter sniper is making mags now. </div></div>
Thats one hell of a second post. Welcome to the hide.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thorshammer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter sniper is making mags now. </div></div>
Thats one hell of a second post. Welcome to the hide.
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Glad to see our tax dollars are paying off!
Pretty scary when people who are supposed to carry guns for their job/survival dont even know how to put a mag in, but by god I bet if she pulled one of us over for something and we had a gun, shed be throwing a fit.
Glad to see our tax dollars are paying off!
Pretty scary when people who are supposed to carry guns for their job/survival dont even know how to put a mag in, but by god I bet if she pulled one of us over for something and we had a gun, shed be throwing a fit.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
You would have to be a dip shit.
With cops like that its no wonder we have a crime problem.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
You would have to be a dip shit.
With cops like that its no wonder we have a crime problem.
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I think it's safe to say that there are just too many possibilities in this picture to blame the Police officer outright and judge capabilities and intelligence.
I think it's safe to say that there are just too many possibilities in this picture to blame the Police officer outright and judge capabilities and intelligence.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emorse4487</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWIeK-LQc0</div></div>
I cannot believe that Dorf has a bayonet on his M4...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emorse4487</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandmanWs7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guy says that it is possible to put in the mag backwards, I've tried and dont see how. Any ideas? </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWIeK-LQc0</div></div>
I cannot believe that Dorf has a bayonet on his M4...
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Perhaps she's double jointed and trying to entice the Perp to surrender to her feminine charms...
Honestly, how is it even possible to jam the base of a magazine into the well? And not know it's in there wrong? Something odd about this photo.
Perhaps she's double jointed and trying to entice the Perp to surrender to her feminine charms...
Honestly, how is it even possible to jam the base of a magazine into the well? And not know it's in there wrong? Something odd about this photo.
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I am constantly amazed at the character type of some of the newly hired officers. It is frustrating to me when I hear "I don't really like guns.". Really? You do know why you are issued one, don't you?
Speaking for myself, I got into LE because I really enjoyed shooting and it was a great match for my personality. I enjoy being a cop.
This newer generation, I just don't know. Don't get me wrong, we still hire some hardchargers just back from overseas who have the right mindset and personality, matter of fact, we've hired 5 Marines from my old unit when they returned from Iraq. They have all, without exception, turned out to be outstanding police officers.
But others, who have never had a real job and who are waving a criminal justice degree that the ink hasn't even dried on yet, have been a real disappointment. It doesn't take a whole lot of formal education to be a good police officer, but you dang well better have a heap of common sense, which usually comes from life experience.
Before I get roasted, I'm certainly not dismissing an education as unneccessary, but there is a good deal of difference between knowledge and the ability to apply it to real world situations and that link is what is failing.
We know what we need in an officer, but our judgement is often overruled by administrators who are sold on the value of education alone.
If it were up to me we would be recruiting straight out of the combat arms units of the various branches and seeking individuals who have proven themselves to be competant under real stress. We can work on the education after they're hired in order to polish them up. Just make sure that you have a good foundation to work with before you invest the time and money in hiring and training men and women to be the police.
Just my two cents worth.
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I am constantly amazed at the character type of some of the newly hired officers. It is frustrating to me when I hear "I don't really like guns.". Really? You do know why you are issued one, don't you?
Speaking for myself, I got into LE because I really enjoyed shooting and it was a great match for my personality. I enjoy being a cop.
This newer generation, I just don't know. Don't get me wrong, we still hire some hardchargers just back from overseas who have the right mindset and personality, matter of fact, we've hired 5 Marines from my old unit when they returned from Iraq. They have all, without exception, turned out to be outstanding police officers.
But others, who have never had a real job and who are waving a criminal justice degree that the ink hasn't even dried on yet, have been a real disappointment. It doesn't take a whole lot of formal education to be a good police officer, but you dang well better have a heap of common sense, which usually comes from life experience.
Before I get roasted, I'm certainly not dismissing an education as unneccessary, but there is a good deal of difference between knowledge and the ability to apply it to real world situations and that link is what is failing.
We know what we need in an officer, but our judgement is often overruled by administrators who are sold on the value of education alone.
If it were up to me we would be recruiting straight out of the combat arms units of the various branches and seeking individuals who have proven themselves to be competant under real stress. We can work on the education after they're hired in order to polish them up. Just make sure that you have a good foundation to work with before you invest the time and money in hiring and training men and women to be the police.
Just my two cents worth.
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Personally, I disagree. Liking guns has zero to do with using them. Liking guns has even less, IMO, with being a good officer.
As a few guys on here can attest, I hate pistols and ARs. Doesnt mean I cant make one dance pretty. Just means I dont like em.
As for the walking clusterfuck in that picture...wow. Im hoping she's gone through some remedial training, or is wearing a yellow blazer selling real estate now.
Personally, I disagree. Liking guns has zero to do with using them. Liking guns has even less, IMO, with being a good officer.
As a few guys on here can attest, I hate pistols and ARs. Doesnt mean I cant make one dance pretty. Just means I dont like em.
As for the walking clusterfuck in that picture...wow. Im hoping she's gone through some remedial training, or is wearing a yellow blazer selling real estate now.
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It's legit. Here is a statement form the news article author in this link:
http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2008/06/police-officers-backwards-ammo-clip.html
It's legit. Here is a statement form the news article author in this link:
http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2008/06/police-officers-backwards-ammo-clip.html
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I have seen airsofters with more tactical skill than her. At least they were not responsible for pointing real weapons at people. Whoever approved her to carry a weapon that she obviously isn't qualified to use should be keel-hulled.
I have seen airsofters with more tactical skill than her. At least they were not responsible for pointing real weapons at people. Whoever approved her to carry a weapon that she obviously isn't qualified to use should be keel-hulled.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thorshammer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter sniper is making mags now. </div></div>
Thats one hell of a second post. Welcome to the hide. </div></div>
Funny! At least he did not start with the question "Is counter sniper any good?"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thorshammer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter sniper is making mags now. </div></div>
Thats one hell of a second post. Welcome to the hide. </div></div>
Funny! At least he did not start with the question "Is counter sniper any good?"
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Shaggy,
I was just speaking for me personally. I agree with your statement about liking guns has little to do with using them. However, one should respect the fact that weapons are issued for a reason and should therefore pay attention during training. (Assuming that the department she works for has a decent weapons training program).
Lord knows that I attend enough training on subject matters that bore me to tears, but I know that it is applicable to my job and subsequently, pay attention and try and learn.
I teach alot of officers who don't really care for guns but do understand thier need to be proficient with them. I also teach those who could care less about being on the range and view it as an inconvenience, because they can, after all, hit the paper most of the time.
Your assessment is better than mine and I agree. I was once asked to assist a Detective in serving a felony warrant and the Detective asked me if I had a gun he could borrow because he had left his at home. Now, this guy is a hell of a cop and the last guy I would want on my case if had done something wrong, but wow, really?
I think I'm a pretty decent cop and try and take every aspect of my job seriously. I'm just saying that not everyone is cut out to be a cop.
That picture seems to be indicative of so many problems facing LE today; wrong personalities and insufficient training, as long as it looks good on the surface.
TN
Shaggy,
I was just speaking for me personally. I agree with your statement about liking guns has little to do with using them. However, one should respect the fact that weapons are issued for a reason and should therefore pay attention during training. (Assuming that the department she works for has a decent weapons training program).
Lord knows that I attend enough training on subject matters that bore me to tears, but I know that it is applicable to my job and subsequently, pay attention and try and learn.
I teach alot of officers who don't really care for guns but do understand thier need to be proficient with them. I also teach those who could care less about being on the range and view it as an inconvenience, because they can, after all, hit the paper most of the time.
Your assessment is better than mine and I agree. I was once asked to assist a Detective in serving a felony warrant and the Detective asked me if I had a gun he could borrow because he had left his at home. Now, this guy is a hell of a cop and the last guy I would want on my case if had done something wrong, but wow, really?
I think I'm a pretty decent cop and try and take every aspect of my job seriously. I'm just saying that not everyone is cut out to be a cop.
That picture seems to be indicative of so many problems facing LE today; wrong personalities and insufficient training, as long as it looks good on the surface.
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Tenn, could not agree more about taking it seriously and paying attention during training.
Marble Falls is podunk, so I dont know what they use for weapon training programs. But, thats still no excuse to show this level of unfamiliarity with an issued weapon.
Tenn, could not agree more about taking it seriously and paying attention during training.
Marble Falls is podunk, so I dont know what they use for weapon training programs. But, thats still no excuse to show this level of unfamiliarity with an issued weapon.
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Imo heads should roll over something like this. This is serious neglect that can get someone killed. She has no business with her hands on that weapon, as shes obviously never fired it before. I do believe that people are stressed, and that it could possibly take longer to seat a mag with fumbling hands, but I cant see not knowing that its backwards if you had any experience with it. If shes never fired it before, then how can she responsibly point it at anything, and be confident of making hits. I think she and those responsible for her training need firing/demotion/ or other punishment.
Imo heads should roll over something like this. This is serious neglect that can get someone killed. She has no business with her hands on that weapon, as shes obviously never fired it before. I do believe that people are stressed, and that it could possibly take longer to seat a mag with fumbling hands, but I cant see not knowing that its backwards if you had any experience with it. If shes never fired it before, then how can she responsibly point it at anything, and be confident of making hits. I think she and those responsible for her training need firing/demotion/ or other punishment.
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I like how people are so quick to take a mistake and say "Heads should roll!" or "Fire em!"
Remedial training.
Would you like to have been shitcanned from every job youve had that you made a mistake at? Muchless, a mistake that was most likely caused, at least in part, by the HUGE FUCKING STRESS of the situation she was thrown into?
Buncha tough guys whove never been on a two way range always know the anwswers.
"IMO"
I like how people are so quick to take a mistake and say "Heads should roll!" or "Fire em!"
Remedial training.
Would you like to have been shitcanned from every job youve had that you made a mistake at? Muchless, a mistake that was most likely caused, at least in part, by the HUGE FUCKING STRESS of the situation she was thrown into?
Buncha tough guys whove never been on a two way range always know the anwswers.
"IMO"
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For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you?
For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you?
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i have been on a two way range and what pisses me off is, besides the fact that she should not be allowed to carry a gun cuz i wouldn't want her shooting at anybody i was in a six foot radius of even with a long gun but second I still cannot get a CWP in san diego cuz of the liberal ass people saying i'm not "qualified" (as in don't handle money everyday, protect someone important, etc) well I feel my family is pretty fucking important.
i have been on a two way range and what pisses me off is, besides the fact that she should not be allowed to carry a gun cuz i wouldn't want her shooting at anybody i was in a six foot radius of even with a long gun but second I still cannot get a CWP in san diego cuz of the liberal ass people saying i'm not "qualified" (as in don't handle money everyday, protect someone important, etc) well I feel my family is pretty fucking important.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like how people are so quick to take a mistake and say "Heads should roll!" or "Fire em!"
Remedial training.
Would you like to have been shitcanned from every job youve had that you made a mistake at? Muchless, a mistake that was most likely caused, at least in part, by the HUGE FUCKING STRESS of the situation she was thrown into?
Buncha tough guys whove never been on a two way range always know the anwswers.
"IMO" </div></div>
Dont you think that thats a bit more than "just a mistake"? Shes carrying a weapon capable of killing people at distance? Dont you think that she/they should be accountable for their carelessness? What happens if she receives nothing, does it again and someone dies? Im suggesting that, in her condition, that shes unfit to be there in a professional role. If a civilian makes a "mistake" with a weapon, they are punished.
LEOs arent making pizzas for a living (Im aware that you know that), are must be held to a higher standard because the stakes are higher. Pro gun people teach that guns are just tools, and are not dangerous when we know how to handle them. This person doesnt "get a pass" just because shes a cop. If shes unsafe, she doesnt belong there.
Tough guys who have never been on a two way range is an immature, irrelevant kneejerk response. The fact that I have never been shot at, doesnt make my point less true. I can still judge what I see logically. I think you are showing bias. I could respond just as you did, by insulting you with some "tough guy because he a cop" statement, but thats just ignorance in trying to intimidate someone into thinking my point is more valid.
I know people who have been fired due to carelessness, that could have resulted in people or property damage. Each instance should be judged for what it is, and a officer who has no knowledge of her weapon, doesnt belong there, and those that put her there should be held accountable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like how people are so quick to take a mistake and say "Heads should roll!" or "Fire em!"
Remedial training.
Would you like to have been shitcanned from every job youve had that you made a mistake at? Muchless, a mistake that was most likely caused, at least in part, by the HUGE FUCKING STRESS of the situation she was thrown into?
Buncha tough guys whove never been on a two way range always know the anwswers.
"IMO" </div></div>
Dont you think that thats a bit more than "just a mistake"? Shes carrying a weapon capable of killing people at distance? Dont you think that she/they should be accountable for their carelessness? What happens if she receives nothing, does it again and someone dies? Im suggesting that, in her condition, that shes unfit to be there in a professional role. If a civilian makes a "mistake" with a weapon, they are punished.
LEOs arent making pizzas for a living (Im aware that you know that), are must be held to a higher standard because the stakes are higher. Pro gun people teach that guns are just tools, and are not dangerous when we know how to handle them. This person doesnt "get a pass" just because shes a cop. If shes unsafe, she doesnt belong there.
Tough guys who have never been on a two way range is an immature, irrelevant kneejerk response. The fact that I have never been shot at, doesnt make my point less true. I can still judge what I see logically. I think you are showing bias. I could respond just as you did, by insulting you with some "tough guy because he a cop" statement, but thats just ignorance in trying to intimidate someone into thinking my point is more valid.
I know people who have been fired due to carelessness, that could have resulted in people or property damage. Each instance should be judged for what it is, and a officer who has no knowledge of her weapon, doesnt belong there, and those that put her there should be held accountable.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you? </div></div>
If you reread my post, youll see I said firing/demotion or other. If this can be fixed by training, then so be it. If it cant than she needs to be removed. However, someone needs to be accountable for that decision. If she neglects mandatory training, or if someone who is responsible for her actions isnt aware of her abilities, then punishment/removal is due.
Edit to add: If it is determined that she is shill unfit after training, then it has to be worth the 60k or whatever to replace her. We cant give liscense to dangerous people to enforce the law because it is cheaper.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you? </div></div>
If you reread my post, youll see I said firing/demotion or other. If this can be fixed by training, then so be it. If it cant than she needs to be removed. However, someone needs to be accountable for that decision. If she neglects mandatory training, or if someone who is responsible for her actions isnt aware of her abilities, then punishment/removal is due.
Edit to add: If it is determined that she is shill unfit after training, then it has to be worth the 60k or whatever to replace her. We cant give liscense to dangerous people to enforce the law because it is cheaper.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pok</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEOs arent making pizzas for a living.</div></div> 'You sure?
Don't commit yourself; it's a very small department.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pok</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEOs arent making pizzas for a living.</div></div> 'You sure?
Don't commit yourself; it's a very small department.
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No, I dont think its more than "A mistake." Its an error. It sucks, but it happens. I think it can be ironed out with training, without pissing away a lot of time and money. "What happens if she receives nothing" First off, what if games are nothing more than that...games. Second, then there's gonna be problems. The department will be in deep shit for failure to train.
People at Pizza Hut arent making pies under extreme duress like officers are doing their jobs under. Its not even in the same fucking league.
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
Now, you and I do agree on something. Shit needs to be fixed immediately or someone could get hurt. If she's incompetent bc she doesnt care to learn or pay attention, then the department is required to shitcan her. (Its called Negligent Retention if they keep her, should she show that she refuses to learn)
I would be curious as to how this was dealt with, since its 2 yrs old.
No, I dont think its more than "A mistake." Its an error. It sucks, but it happens. I think it can be ironed out with training, without pissing away a lot of time and money. "What happens if she receives nothing" First off, what if games are nothing more than that...games. Second, then there's gonna be problems. The department will be in deep shit for failure to train.
People at Pizza Hut arent making pies under extreme duress like officers are doing their jobs under. Its not even in the same fucking league.
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
Now, you and I do agree on something. Shit needs to be fixed immediately or someone could get hurt. If she's incompetent bc she doesnt care to learn or pay attention, then the department is required to shitcan her. (Its called Negligent Retention if they keep her, should she show that she refuses to learn)
I would be curious as to how this was dealt with, since its 2 yrs old.
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Oh, and Pok, my response wasnt entirely directed at you. There have been some other idiots on here that make stupid "fire em" statements regularly. You just happened to be the one that posted right before I did.
I did use your "IMO" and "heads rolling" but thats about it.
Oh, and Pok, my response wasnt entirely directed at you. There have been some other idiots on here that make stupid "fire em" statements regularly. You just happened to be the one that posted right before I did.
I did use your "IMO" and "heads rolling" but thats about it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. <span style="font-weight: bold">wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)</span>
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you? </div></div>
Wow! Cops are too expensive. We should cut them from the budgets.
We can get mall security ninjas at one third that price, we could have twice as many on patrol and they bring their own pistols, rifles, shotguns, and trauma plates, all while saving one-third of the police budget.
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you people that are of the "Fire em" mentality over things that can be fixed with basic remedial training, lemme ask you something:
Do you want us to waste your taxdollars by:
1) firing the cop. <span style="font-weight: bold">wasting the $60K* already invested in her. Hire a replacement and spend another $60k. (Total $120,000)</span>
2) remedial training. cost of $200.
*$60K is assuming she hasnt been around for too long
Which works better for you? </div></div>
Wow! Cops are too expensive. We should cut them from the budgets.
We can get mall security ninjas at one third that price, we could have twice as many on patrol and they bring their own pistols, rifles, shotguns, and trauma plates, all while saving one-third of the police budget.
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
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Again I disagree
I know that this person doesnt have adequate knowledge of the weapon shes carrying. I dont need knowledge of law enforcement to judge that. I dont need to know how LEOs train or fix problems to know that fixing is needed.
I choose to not "keep my mouth shut", and instead voice my opinion, on this discussion board that is here for that very purpose.
Where I work, at my dentist, at the local bar, or on my roof, there are not people issued weapons in a professional role, and if there were I might have a thing or two to say about how they conduct themselves as it pertains to the safety of me and mine.
This appears to be a "hot button" issue for you. I again suggest that you might be biased, based on it being a fellow LEO being trashed. I am pro LEO, and if it seems like I am making blanket statements, im not. I think your aggression is misplaced in the setting of a discussion over the internet, between people who dont know each other, who are both entitled to their opinions.
Edit: I am willing to agree to disagree. Its just hard for me to walk away after being insulted with STFUs and im a toughguy wannabe who knows jack statements. It got the irish up was all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
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Again I disagree
I know that this person doesnt have adequate knowledge of the weapon shes carrying. I dont need knowledge of law enforcement to judge that. I dont need to know how LEOs train or fix problems to know that fixing is needed.
I choose to not "keep my mouth shut", and instead voice my opinion, on this discussion board that is here for that very purpose.
Where I work, at my dentist, at the local bar, or on my roof, there are not people issued weapons in a professional role, and if there were I might have a thing or two to say about how they conduct themselves as it pertains to the safety of me and mine.
This appears to be a "hot button" issue for you. I again suggest that you might be biased, based on it being a fellow LEO being trashed. I am pro LEO, and if it seems like I am making blanket statements, im not. I think your aggression is misplaced in the setting of a discussion over the internet, between people who dont know each other, who are both entitled to their opinions.
Edit: I am willing to agree to disagree. Its just hard for me to walk away after being insulted with STFUs and im a toughguy wannabe who knows jack statements. It got the irish up was all.
Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
obviously the mag, bad use of cover (the back of the cruiser is right there), butstock doesn't look well placed, not using the third eye principle correctly, according to the article took too long to shoot the bastard (and hit him in the thigh), why is she so close to the building, if she's pointing - should be on target on trigger, geez my arm is getting fatigued holding it like this, why is a uniform doing this after four hours - where's the Quick Reation Team?, no additional body armour, cruiser trunk should be secured (closed) to not allow access to other goodies from hostile in the event he charges.
obviously the mag, bad use of cover (the back of the cruiser is right there), butstock doesn't look well placed, not using the third eye principle correctly, according to the article took too long to shoot the bastard (and hit him in the thigh), why is she so close to the building, if she's pointing - should be on target on trigger, geez my arm is getting fatigued holding it like this, why is a uniform doing this after four hours - where's the Quick Reation Team?, no additional body armour, cruiser trunk should be secured (closed) to not allow access to other goodies from hostile in the event he charges.
Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pok</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
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Again I disagree
I know that this person doesnt have adequate knowledge of the weapon shes carrying. I dont need knowledge of law enforcement to judge that. I dont need to know how LEOs train or fix problems to know that fixing is needed.
I choose to not "keep my mouth shut", and instead voice my opinion, on this discussion board that is here for that very purpose.
Where I work, at my dentist, at the local bar, or on my roof, there are not people issued weapons in a professional role, and if there were I might have a thing or two to say about how they conduct themselves as it pertains to the safety of me and mine.
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">This appears to be a "hot button" issue for you. I again suggest that you might be biased, based on it being a fellow LEO being trash</span>ed.</span> I am pro LEO, and if it seems like I am making blanket statements, im not. I think your aggression is misplaced in the setting of a discussion over the internet, between people who dont know each other, who are both entitled to their opinions.
Edit: I am willing to agree to disagree. Its just hard for me to walk away after being insulted with STFUs and im a toughguy wannabe who knows jack statements. It got the irish up was all. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I generally try and side with the offi</span>cer</span>........... </div></div>
Just sayin
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pok</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
And, no, my statement was not an immature intimidation attempt. It was the truth. You know jackshit about what youre speaking about. If you dont know a fucking thing about LE or the training or the procedures for how problems are corrected with personnel or training issues, then you should keep your mouth shut.
I dont come to whereever the fuck you work and offer advice on who should be fired. Return the favor.
As Ive said before: You dont tell your dentist how to fix a tooth. You dont tell your bartender to mix a drink. You dont tell the roofer how to fix your roof. Why? Bc youre clueless about the job.
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Again I disagree
I know that this person doesnt have adequate knowledge of the weapon shes carrying. I dont need knowledge of law enforcement to judge that. I dont need to know how LEOs train or fix problems to know that fixing is needed.
I choose to not "keep my mouth shut", and instead voice my opinion, on this discussion board that is here for that very purpose.
Where I work, at my dentist, at the local bar, or on my roof, there are not people issued weapons in a professional role, and if there were I might have a thing or two to say about how they conduct themselves as it pertains to the safety of me and mine.
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">This appears to be a "hot button" issue for you. I again suggest that you might be biased, based on it being a fellow LEO being trash</span>ed.</span> I am pro LEO, and if it seems like I am making blanket statements, im not. I think your aggression is misplaced in the setting of a discussion over the internet, between people who dont know each other, who are both entitled to their opinions.
Edit: I am willing to agree to disagree. Its just hard for me to walk away after being insulted with STFUs and im a toughguy wannabe who knows jack statements. It got the irish up was all. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I generally try and side with the offi</span>cer</span>........... </div></div>
Just sayin
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Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
Will agree to agree on that. She does not have the knowledge needed to carry that weapon. I just think it is a training issue that can be quickly and effectively resolved.
Really, its not much of a hot button for me. I dont know her, I dont care about her. I dont live or work within effective range of her or her single shot AR, so its no skin off my ass. If it were one of my guys, you could say Im biased. But, if it were one of my guys, the mag would be in the weapon correctly.
What is a hot button for me, is the large number of swinging dicks who tend to open their mouths when they shouldnt, about things they have zero knowledge of. Again, this was to the "Fire em" crowd. When I made my original post, I really didnt direct it at you. I saw the end of your post and agreed with it.
It was the "heads should roll" shit that I disagreed with. To make suggestions on what should happen (which is what I took the "heads rolling" comment), I do feel you should know the HOWS of things. Same reason why I dont tell the dentist how to clean my teeth. I know they need to be clean. I dont know a goddamn thing about how to get it done. So, I lay in the chair and listen to him scrape teeth and bitch about his wife without offering suggestions that Im not qualified to make.
Will agree to agree on that. She does not have the knowledge needed to carry that weapon. I just think it is a training issue that can be quickly and effectively resolved.
Really, its not much of a hot button for me. I dont know her, I dont care about her. I dont live or work within effective range of her or her single shot AR, so its no skin off my ass. If it were one of my guys, you could say Im biased. But, if it were one of my guys, the mag would be in the weapon correctly.
What is a hot button for me, is the large number of swinging dicks who tend to open their mouths when they shouldnt, about things they have zero knowledge of. Again, this was to the "Fire em" crowd. When I made my original post, I really didnt direct it at you. I saw the end of your post and agreed with it.
It was the "heads should roll" shit that I disagreed with. To make suggestions on what should happen (which is what I took the "heads rolling" comment), I do feel you should know the HOWS of things. Same reason why I dont tell the dentist how to clean my teeth. I know they need to be clean. I dont know a goddamn thing about how to get it done. So, I lay in the chair and listen to him scrape teeth and bitch about his wife without offering suggestions that Im not qualified to make.
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Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I generally try and side with the offi</span>cer</span>........... </div></div>
Just sayin </div></div>
Scroll your happy ass back up the screen and see my first post in the thread...
What part of "walking clusterfuck" sounds like Im siding with her?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humungus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I generally try and side with the offi</span>cer</span>........... </div></div>
Just sayin </div></div>
Scroll your happy ass back up the screen and see my first post in the thread...
What part of "walking clusterfuck" sounds like Im siding with her?
Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete. </div></div>
Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete. </div></div>
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LOL!! Nice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shaggy, you and your donut-eating buddies are now obsolete. </div></div>
LOL!! Nice.
Re: Whats wrong with this pic?
I think we can all agree that she certainly doesn't need to be holding that weapon, much less, deploying it anywhere near people that don't need to be shot. It is obvious that she has had little, no or I didn't pay attention during, training.
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. Let's assume that this officer, from this sleepy little resort/ retirement community was issued this carbine and given a ten minute hip pocket class on how to shoot it and then told to keep it in her car. Department in retirement/ resort community wants it's citizens to have a warm, fuzzy and safe feeling while spending lots of money at the Marinas and Golf courses. So, it purchases some AR whatevers and starts a Special Whatever Team comprised of highly skilled officers selected from thier 26 person department which is primarily trained in house. Now these highly skilled, highly in house trained officers are now training the patrol officers (at the direction of the Chief) on how to use the new AR in thier car but, um, don't take all day, they've got to start shift and get down to the beach area and be seen.
Trust me , this isn't far fetched. It happens every day, in nearly every Department that I know of on one level or another.
Now is it realy her fault? Who's head should roll now? Read thier website and crunch the numbers, they've got almost as many Sergeants in thier patrol division as we do and we have over 200 sworn.
I think we can all agree that she certainly doesn't need to be holding that weapon, much less, deploying it anywhere near people that don't need to be shot. It is obvious that she has had little, no or I didn't pay attention during, training.
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. Let's assume that this officer, from this sleepy little resort/ retirement community was issued this carbine and given a ten minute hip pocket class on how to shoot it and then told to keep it in her car. Department in retirement/ resort community wants it's citizens to have a warm, fuzzy and safe feeling while spending lots of money at the Marinas and Golf courses. So, it purchases some AR whatevers and starts a Special Whatever Team comprised of highly skilled officers selected from thier 26 person department which is primarily trained in house. Now these highly skilled, highly in house trained officers are now training the patrol officers (at the direction of the Chief) on how to use the new AR in thier car but, um, don't take all day, they've got to start shift and get down to the beach area and be seen.
Trust me , this isn't far fetched. It happens every day, in nearly every Department that I know of on one level or another.
Now is it realy her fault? Who's head should roll now? Read thier website and crunch the numbers, they've got almost as many Sergeants in thier patrol division as we do and we have over 200 sworn.
