Rifle Scopes Which larue mount?

#2
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I am in a similar situation. I actually called Larue about this. I don't have my scope yet, but the ones I'm looking for are all 34mm main tube. Larue recommends LT123 for the remington 700, but those will not fit a 34mm tube, only 30mm. Your SB is also 34mm if I remember correctly. Our only choice is the LT104 or LT111, but both of those will run pretty high and you will probably have cheek weld issues. Larue also said they have no plans to include larger diameter tubes for the other models as they are mainly concentrating on the AR platform and for those they do offer variable diameters.

Does anyone know/recommend another QD manufacturer?? I love the idea of being able to remove the scope for cleaning/maintenance and even travel, but hate having to zero every time. Larue does zero, but does any other manufacturer have the same guarantee and or quality??
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rives</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a GDI P-ROM mount they are much better at return to zero and they wont scratch your rail. </div></div>

To bad they cost $500. LoneWolfUSMC is doing return to zero test on these QD type mounts. I'd wait to see his outcome.
 
#7
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For a QD, mounts, I prefer Bobro. Non scratching, non marring, and they self adjust to the rail. I also never had one have any problems returning to 0. I can't say the same about my LaRue. You have to be careful on how the locking lever close. If it doesn't close the same every single time, your 0 will be off.

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#8
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I no longer use QD mounts on any of my rifles. They are hard on the pic rails. To make them reliable you have to tighten down the nut on the cam so you can't flip them open without loosening the nut. On the heavier caliburs they tend to loosen up so you have to loctite the nut. I also don't like the vertical clam shell. On my precision rifles I use an AI one piece mount. On my AR platforms, I use the JP Enterprises one piece mount. They make a 1" 30mm and 34 mm. All the one piece mounts that I use, when I remove and put them back on are all within one minute. Lets face it, how many times do you switch optics that you need a QD? You might as well buy something you can properly torque within the manufacturers specifications that doesn't damage your pic rail.
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bwo6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I no longer use QD mounts on any of my rifles. They are hard on the pic rails. To make them reliable you have to tighten down the nut on the cam so you can't flip them open without loosening the nut. On the heavier caliburs they tend to loosen up so you have to loctite the nut.</div></div>

You are painting with a broad brush. You just can't lump all mounts in the same basket and make that statement.

In my experience high end QD mounts are fine when you leave them alone. The feature that separates the mounts is their ability to return to zero after they are removed and replaced.

Even the ADM that showed a zero shift is still on my AR10. It does just fine as a static mount.

I have a LaRue OBR mount sitting here, waiting for a range day. We will be running an RTZ test on it. I am waiting on a call back from GDI to see if we are going to do one of their mounts.

However I will say that if you don't need a QD mount. Then don't spend the money on it. Just go with a regular mount or rings.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bwo6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I no longer use QD mounts on any of my rifles. They are hard on the pic rails. To make them reliable you have to tighten down the nut on the cam so you can't flip them open without loosening the nut. On the heavier caliburs they tend to loosen up so you have to loctite the nut.</div></div>

You are painting with a broad brush. You just can't lump all mounts in the same basket and make that statement.

In my experience high end QD mounts are fine when you leave them alone. The feature that separates the mounts is their ability to return to zero after they are removed and replaced.

Even the ADM that showed a zero shift is still on my AR10. It does just fine as a static mount.

I have a LaRue OBR mount sitting here, waiting for a range day. We will be running an RTZ test on it. I am waiting on a call back from GDI to see if we are going to do one of their mounts.

However I will say that if you don't need a QD mount. Then don't spend the money on it. Just go with a regular mount or rings. </div></div>
I agree . I run an ARMS mount on a 243 /30-06 IMP , switch barrel and it locks up just fine and returns to zero better than I can shoot anyway . The ARMS has a swiveling plate that buffers the lockup claw and prevents excessive damage to the rail especially aluminium rails , however the rail must be right on specs or the lock up can be too tight or loose . I made my own rail to tightly fit the ARMS mount. However on a big kicking magnum there may be some justification for a more secure mounting system I guess. I actually wanted a Larue mount because I think they are a bit stronger and adjust the locking tension better than the ARMS but the locking claw can marr the rail over time however they would not sell me anything .
I think I will try to build my own mounts in future with all the refinments in one mount. I put some moly grease between the claw and plate binding surfaces of the ARMS mount to reduce bending pressure on the levers . Makes it way easier to lock and unlock while still being very tight . I reckon this is how people break the levers as the binding friction of the two surfaces when dry and under pressure is very high. The claw is designed to bend down slightly on the angled surface of the protection plate to allow for an over spec rail but it places a lot of stress on the levers and your fingers if the lock up is too tight.
 
#11
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My issue is that I would rather spend the money on one quality piece of glass and then use it on various rifles. Its a lot easier to spend say $1500 on a new AR and NOT have to spend another 2k+ for optics on it. Which means I get more toys in the safe to use yet I still can put quality glass on every one of them without busting the bank. Prices are getting ridiculous on glass.
 
#13
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Scope prices are killing us for sure now that other living costs are so high . fuel to mention one.
I am only a poor starving ex war veteran , crippled in Vietnam when I was only 20 , a $2000 scope is just way out of my reach . However I guess I could have spent the money that my lathe cost me on a top quality scope but then I would have nothing to do at home . My lathe keeps me busy and I enjoy using it a lot.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTACTICAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a QD I would recommend the GDI or the ADM with 20moa. For a Remington I would do Badger or Seekins. Leupold is also make some nice 34mm mounts for the price.

Mike @ CST </div></div>
Leupold do make so very good tactical mounts for the price . However I looked at the ADM mounts and did not like the cut away rings and the close ring spacing for my purpose and the loose claw is dodgy . I did however like their lever system and bought two QD bipod locks on the same lever system . Also looked at the GDI but could only see 25 MOA mount and wanted 20 MOA and did not like the short ring spacing and the thin unsuported overhang of the front ring although for my cartridges the recoil is not severe and the scopes not over large so it may not matter , but first impressions tend to stick even if there wrong . It dose look nice and comapct and maybe it's design suits certain types of actions and weapons , although I could not find much information about the mount on their site . The ARMS can also overhang in some situations with long scopes but has the ability to spread the bases out more if it does .
I settled on the ARMS mount because I could get the 20 MOA rail and it is on the mount seperate to the gun and when it comes off , the rail is flat to accept a scope sighted at closer range which will be the scope I am using at the moment temporarily. The ring spacing is adjustable for compact and large long scopes and the eye relief adjustment is exceptional and rings have sleeves for 1 inch to 30mm tubes which makes it very flexible so I can use the cheap 1 inch tube scope until I can afford the Vortex in the one mount . The only limitation I can see is the lack of locking tension adjustment . Every style of gun and scope combination requires a bit different treatment . However maybe other limitations could show up in time.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slivoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any of you guys that are using QD mounts on your lever....can you post some pics?? </div></div>
Sorry I don't own a lever action. Wish I did.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a QD, mounts, I prefer Bobro. Non scratching, non marring, and they self adjust to the rail. I also never had one have any problems returning to 0. I can't say the same about my LaRue. You have to be careful on how the locking lever close. If it doesn't close the same every single time, your 0 will be off.

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Any chance of a photo of the internals of the locking system inside the Brobo mount as it sounds very interesting.
 
#18
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Not mine, but I stole the pic from my friend who took a ACOG mount apart. But the locking system is still the same.
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The new mount like mine, has 2 locking levers. I have played around with most of the QD mounts on the market, and for the most part none of them self adjust to the rail like the Bobro does. All the others you have to adjust the mount to the rail it sits on.
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Country</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slivoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any of you guys that are using QD mounts on your lever....can you post some pics?? </div></div>
Sorry I don't own a lever action. Wish I did. </div></div>

LOL...my bad, i meant bolt action.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not mine, but I stole the pic from my friend who took a ACOG mount apart. But the locking system is still the same.
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The new mount like mine, has 2 locking levers. I have played around with most of the QD mounts on the market, and for the most part none of them self adjust to the rail like the Bobro does. All the others you have to adjust the mount to the rail it sits on. </div></div>
Thankyou very much ! I can see there is some serious spring pressure there to lock it in place but it must have enough pressure leeway to accomodate different size rails . Very clever system and food for thought . I wonder if spare parts are available ?
 
#21
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OK a bolt action I do have a few. This is my ARMS mount on my home made rail on my home built rifle . It is not a good photo but it is night time here and raining . You may ask why the scope is so high , it's so I can also mount NV scope later and it will be at the same height and the bolt handle will miss the bulky NV scope body . I have not cut down the length of the 20 MOA rail as the Vortex I want to buy might need the extra length to mount. URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/armsmount.jpg/]
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#22
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Thanks for the picture Country. From what I've been reading. Having the scope sit higher is fine as long as you have proper cheek weld. So for me, i will definitely need to get some type of cheek riser if I go the QD mount. All the models I have looked at are right around 1.5 inches tall to center of scope.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slivoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the picture Country. From what I've been reading. Having the scope sit higher is fine as long as you have proper cheek weld. So for me, i will definitely need to get some type of cheek riser if I go the QD mount. All the models I have looked at are right around 1.5 inches tall to center of scope. </div></div>
I can adjust the cheek piece up and down and get the cheek weld and sight picture just right for any sight from a low peep sight to a huge scope not that I could aford a huge scope . The scope is higher than it would be with a commercial Picatinny rail . As I made my rail much thicker than normal for a reason . One advantage to a higher scope is that you can shoot with a more verticle heads up position which makes it way better for also seeing fall of shot , level bubbles and turret markings for long range shooting. Some may disagree but for my eyes and physical limitations it is more comfortable.
If you use the Brobo , ADM or GDI or similar mount they are lower than the ARMS but you may need to watch the diameter of the scopes objective you get using the lower mounts. 1.5 ich high is average mount height for big scopes. It depend a lot on if you have a step down in the barrel ahead of the action that gives you extra objective room. The Leupold QD rings would be the lowest I think not 100% sure but I think they would be . I don't like the snap over ring cap design but they work ok. You need to have the scope and the rifle before you buya mount. That way you can lay the scope and rifle down on a table and get a good idea of the ring height needed . In the past I have got a piece of foam wrap and wraped the scope in it and tapped it to the action to get a good idea of the real scope position required . That's a bit extreeme but it can help. Most of the QD mounts with close ring spacing work good on long rails with plenty of forward and backward adjustment room like Military weapons have. If the action is a short bolt action then you need to be sure that you can get your correct eye relief without the rings bumping into the turret bulge etc. That is the beauty of the ARMS mount for my purpose plenty of adjustment in both directions and several ring heights . I can now mount just about any scope in either 1 inch or 30mm .
 
#24
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I'm actually in the same spot, I'm getting the NF 20MOA one piece base for my R700. I was actually looking at the OBR mount (LT111) since it's one of their few mounts that doesn't have a built in cant (the OBR has a 20MOA cant built into the upper receiver) However, I haven't looked into the ring height and such.
 
#25
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I am not that familiar with Larue mounts mainly because they refuse to sell me anything but I had a look at the LT111 and it should work ok on a NF steel rail . Larue says the OBR mount ring height is 1.535 above the rail and 2.9" ring spacing . I looked at the OBR on their site and I can see the long top integral Picatinny rail . However I would have thought that with a 20 MOA slope in a rail that long you should be able to see the slope plainly against the center line of the barrel but try as I may I could not It looks parallel to me . Must be an optical illusion. Also the Larue two piece http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-30mm-2-piece-qd-lt-123
QD mounts QD LT123 could be quite good on a short bolt action as the rings can be moved apart more on the rail . You may be better off getting a Larue rail for their mounts at the same time because then the ring claws specs would be the right match for the rail LT113 http://www.laruetactical.com/remington-700-rail
 
#26
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My main interest was the LT123 as I believe those are just under 1 inch tall, but unfortunately only come in 30mm size and the scope I am eying is 34mm main body. Looks like if I decide to go with any one piece QD mount as they are all around 1.5 inches, i will need to raise my cheek pad.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slivoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My main interest was the LT123 as I believe those are just under 1 inch tall, but unfortunately only come in 30mm size and the scope I am eying is 34mm main body. Looks like if I decide to go with any one piece QD mount as they are all around 1.5 inches, i will need to raise my cheek pad. </div></div>
Have a look at the Larue LT 158 it comes in 34 mm tube size . It only has 10 MOA cant which would not worry you at all . Height is 1.44 .
LT 104 comes in 34 mm and does not say it has any cant.
This could be good.
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/optics/one_piece/ar15_onepiece_mounts.htm#ggg

ARMS have 34 mm QD rings which are good. http://www.mountsplus.com/mm5/merchant.m...Code=AR-15_arms
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Country</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slivoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My main interest was the LT123 as I believe those are just under 1 inch tall, but unfortunately only come in 30mm size and the scope I am eying is 34mm main body. Looks like if I decide to go with any one piece QD mount as they are all around 1.5 inches, i will need to raise my cheek pad. </div></div>
Have a look at the Larue LT 158 it comes in 34 mm tube size . It only has 10 MOA cant which would not worry you at all . Height is 1.44 .
LT 104 comes in 34 mm and does not say it has any cant.
This could be good.
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/optics/one_piece/ar15_onepiece_mounts.htm#ggg

ARMS have 34 mm QD rings which are good. http://www.mountsplus.com/mm5/merchant.m...Code=AR-15_arms
</div></div>

Those A.R.M.S. #22-34mm Scope Rings look awesome, I just can't find what height they are. They list the 30mm but not the 34mm. If they come in a low for Remington mount, those might be the ones to get. I'll probably call those guys on Monday to get more info. Thanks Country, you have been a great help.
 
#31
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I don't like the ADM mount because of the loose claw system and the cut away rings. I just don't like it. Previous in this thread another poster also raised his dislike of the ADM because of not returning to zero. This is a trait of that kind of loose claw systems. I have other ADM stuff and the levers work good but I did not buy their scope mount .
They can adjust to out of spec rails real easy but return to zero is not that good . However it all depends on how much accuracy you need. That is why ARMS is a solid locking claw that index's in the exact same spot each time on a protection plate . The rail has to be right on spec for the lockup to be optimal but the return to zero is better or more reliable I feel .
You get MSP to supply a rail that fit's the mounts properly .
 
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