Need help deciding between a .270 and 30.06. which would be better for long range shooting? also what power scope should i run? thanks for the help
Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
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Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
Everyone knows the .270 is the most popular sniper rifle in the world. Plus is has killed more zombies than anyother. How could even question it against anything else. I use it everytime I play Sniper on my x-box, I have never lost.
Everyone knows the .270 is the most popular sniper rifle in the world. Plus is has killed more zombies than anyother. How could even question it against anything else. I use it everytime I play Sniper on my x-box, I have never lost.
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
You will learn very very quickly that the word "sniper" is only used for one purpose, to reference those that are actual snipers in the military or LE. It's not a sniper rifle unless the person shooting it is a sniper, know what I mean?
To answer your question though: either one will work fine beyond 1,000 yards the question is can you shoot that far? If you don't have the experience to shoot accurately that far start with a .308. For scopes whatever scope you can see your target with will work just fine. More important than magnification is clarity and how reliablely your turrets track and that it returns to zero each time. A little elabaoration on the distances you plan to shoot and the animals you intend to hunt will help to get the anwsers you want. Be safe and know your limits.
You will learn very very quickly that the word "sniper" is only used for one purpose, to reference those that are actual snipers in the military or LE. It's not a sniper rifle unless the person shooting it is a sniper, know what I mean?
To answer your question though: either one will work fine beyond 1,000 yards the question is can you shoot that far? If you don't have the experience to shoot accurately that far start with a .308. For scopes whatever scope you can see your target with will work just fine. More important than magnification is clarity and how reliablely your turrets track and that it returns to zero each time. A little elabaoration on the distances you plan to shoot and the animals you intend to hunt will help to get the anwsers you want. Be safe and know your limits.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneck2050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Need help deciding between a .270 and 30.06. which would be better for long range shooting? also what power scope should i run? thanks for the help </div></div>
...30-06...
...10X scope...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneck2050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Need help deciding between a .270 and 30.06. which would be better for long range shooting? also what power scope should i run? thanks for the help </div></div>
...30-06...
...10X scope...
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle". I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet.
.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle". I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. <span style="color: #FF0000">a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle".</span> I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet. </div></div>
Deer my ass, I dont think there is enough power there so I wouldnt suggest them for anything over rabbit hunting. And you gotta keep em close cause niether rifle will go past 300 yards before bullets start tumbling.
BTW big fail on that assumption in red, there are some really nice LR 270 rigs out there. Will it ever be adopted by a military? prolly not but it has potential.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. <span style="color: #FF0000">a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle".</span> I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet. </div></div>
Deer my ass, I dont think there is enough power there so I wouldnt suggest them for anything over rabbit hunting. And you gotta keep em close cause niether rifle will go past 300 yards before bullets start tumbling.
BTW big fail on that assumption in red, there are some really nice LR 270 rigs out there. Will it ever be adopted by a military? prolly not but it has potential.
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Just get a 308, ammo is readily available, cheap, and easy to reload. You can always rebarrel if you want.
Get a 10x40 super sniper scope and shoot alot.
Once you understand, and get comfortable with the rifle get some instruction.
Just get a 308, ammo is readily available, cheap, and easy to reload. You can always rebarrel if you want.
Get a 10x40 super sniper scope and shoot alot.
Once you understand, and get comfortable with the rifle get some instruction.
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Get something like this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78301
Or this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070
Then put something like this on it:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx
then your gtg
Get something like this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78301
Or this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070
Then put something like this on it:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx
then your gtg
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get something like this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78301
Or this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070
Then put something like this on it:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx
then your gtg </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get something like this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78301
Or this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/42070
Then put something like this on it:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx
then your gtg </div></div>
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Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
First, welcome to The 'Hide, and please excuse our occasional lapses into over-enthusiasm.
The .270 is a fine hunting caliber, and initial US Sniper firearms used another fine hunting caliber, the .30-'06; which doubled as our Nation's front line military chambering for the better part of the 20th century. Of the two you suggest, I would prefer the .30-'06. For hunting, I favor the .280; but I'm a Neanderthal. For some reason, Walmart never seems to run out of .270 hunting ammo, and they don't even carry .280.
While both are not bad, there are better chamberings, including .308 and .260.
Coming to a nominally 'Sniper' site and asking which is the best Sniper chambering as your very first post betrays a certain degree on 'new-guy-ness'.
OK, so it's <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> a hanging offense. It's still kinda naive.
Ask your questions. Some of us will try to answer them with at least a moderate effort to be helpful.
Greg
First, welcome to The 'Hide, and please excuse our occasional lapses into over-enthusiasm.
The .270 is a fine hunting caliber, and initial US Sniper firearms used another fine hunting caliber, the .30-'06; which doubled as our Nation's front line military chambering for the better part of the 20th century. Of the two you suggest, I would prefer the .30-'06. For hunting, I favor the .280; but I'm a Neanderthal. For some reason, Walmart never seems to run out of .270 hunting ammo, and they don't even carry .280.
While both are not bad, there are better chamberings, including .308 and .260.
Coming to a nominally 'Sniper' site and asking which is the best Sniper chambering as your very first post betrays a certain degree on 'new-guy-ness'.
OK, so it's <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> a hanging offense. It's still kinda naive.
Ask your questions. Some of us will try to answer them with at least a moderate effort to be helpful.
Greg
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. <span style="color: #FF0000">a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle".</span> I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet. </div></div>
Deer my ass, I dont think there is enough power there so I wouldnt suggest them for anything over rabbit hunting. And you gotta keep em close cause niether rifle will go past 300 yards before bullets start tumbling.
BTW big fail on that assumption in red, there are some really nice LR 270 rigs out there. Will it ever be adopted by a military? prolly not but it has potential. </div></div>
I don't even know where to begin...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.270 and 30.06 are for deer. 30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore. .308 is the most popular along with too many calibers to name. <span style="color: #FF0000">a .270 will never be a "sniper rifle" or a "tactical sniper rifle".</span> I swear, those are the two most over used terms on the planet. </div></div>
Deer my ass, I dont think there is enough power there so I wouldnt suggest them for anything over rabbit hunting. And you gotta keep em close cause niether rifle will go past 300 yards before bullets start tumbling.
BTW big fail on that assumption in red, there are some really nice LR 270 rigs out there. Will it ever be adopted by a military? prolly not but it has potential. </div></div>
I don't even know where to begin...
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
The best advice i can give you is learn your rifle and your ballistics once you can do that accordingly then you should be able to shoot well with any reasonable cartridge and its not the rifle or the cartridge its the shooter....
The best advice i can give you is learn your rifle and your ballistics once you can do that accordingly then you should be able to shoot well with any reasonable cartridge and its not the rifle or the cartridge its the shooter....
Re: Which Makes A Better Sniper Rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore.</div></div>
The .30'06 was sending souls into the nether in Germany and the South Pacific long before Americans took note of that little Asian backwater country.
The .30'06 was used by US Snipers in the form of the 1903 Springfield with a variety of scopes, then the M1 Garand with a side mounted optic and a interesting cheek pad.
However the term "Sniper Rifle" is so over used and mis-used that it becomes like nails on a chalkboard. I almost got irritated when I called my FFL to tell him my AI would be arriving. He said "that's a Sniper Rifle....right?" Then I realized.....it is.
So if I had a AWM rechambered for .30'06 or .270, would it still be a "Sniper Rifle"?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stryder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">30.06 used to be used to engage personnel back in the Vietnam days but not much anymore.</div></div>
The .30'06 was sending souls into the nether in Germany and the South Pacific long before Americans took note of that little Asian backwater country.
The .30'06 was used by US Snipers in the form of the 1903 Springfield with a variety of scopes, then the M1 Garand with a side mounted optic and a interesting cheek pad.
However the term "Sniper Rifle" is so over used and mis-used that it becomes like nails on a chalkboard. I almost got irritated when I called my FFL to tell him my AI would be arriving. He said "that's a Sniper Rifle....right?" Then I realized.....it is.
So if I had a AWM rechambered for .30'06 or .270, would it still be a "Sniper Rifle"?
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Lazy... you were right on track... I was going to say .17HMR but you beat me to the punch....
Lazy... you were right on track... I was going to say .17HMR but you beat me to the punch....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">best would be a .22lr
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Actually, I think this isn't a bad suggestion if he is completely new to rifle shooting. But unfortunately it is overlooked. Working on trigger control, shooting positions, and form, etc on a 22LR goes a long way.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">best would be a .22lr
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Actually, I think this isn't a bad suggestion if he is completely new to rifle shooting. But unfortunately it is overlooked. Working on trigger control, shooting positions, and form, etc on a 22LR goes a long way.
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Most of us who have been shooting our whole lives started on .22's.
Most of us who have been shooting our whole lives started on .22's.
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Of the two I would get the 30-06.
You have the same great selection of bullets as the .308 winchester for reloading. It will do everything the .308 will do with the same bullets and do it a little faster and flatter though with a little more recoil. Ammo is about the same price wise as the .308 around here and as easy or easier to find.
Of the two I would get the 30-06.
You have the same great selection of bullets as the .308 winchester for reloading. It will do everything the .308 will do with the same bullets and do it a little faster and flatter though with a little more recoil. Ammo is about the same price wise as the .308 around here and as easy or easier to find.
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Some good efforts at basic responses here.
The '06 would be the better of the two, especially until you get up and running with handoading. When you do, the .260 rem would be my first suggestion, followed by the .280.
If you genuinely plan to become adept at more precise marksmanship, you'd be well advised to include a basic, rugged, and reliable .22LR bolt repeater, I recommend the Savage MKIIF.
The term 'Sniper' is used to describe a military or law enforcement professional, all others making claim to the title are likely posers. A Sniper Rifle is a rifle used by a legitimate Sniper. All others shoot (I would hope, anyway) precision rifles.
You gotta get this nomenclature thing right before you go any further here.
BTW, I am not, never was, and likely (I would hope, anyway) never be, a Sniper. Nothing wrong with it, but I <span style="font-style: italic">know</span> it's not me...
Greg
Some good efforts at basic responses here.
The '06 would be the better of the two, especially until you get up and running with handoading. When you do, the .260 rem would be my first suggestion, followed by the .280.
If you genuinely plan to become adept at more precise marksmanship, you'd be well advised to include a basic, rugged, and reliable .22LR bolt repeater, I recommend the Savage MKIIF.
The term 'Sniper' is used to describe a military or law enforcement professional, all others making claim to the title are likely posers. A Sniper Rifle is a rifle used by a legitimate Sniper. All others shoot (I would hope, anyway) precision rifles.
You gotta get this nomenclature thing right before you go any further here.
BTW, I am not, never was, and likely (I would hope, anyway) never be, a Sniper. Nothing wrong with it, but I <span style="font-style: italic">know</span> it's not me...
Greg
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If you are actually serious about shooting which I have my doubts. Get yourself a .308 and some really cheap ammo and shoot every chance you get. If you practice enough to shoot that decent, go get some match ammo shoot it even more when you run out of funds buy a reloading press start rolling your own. After several thousand rounds you might have some understanding of whats going on. I have several calibers from big to small, tacticool to varmint and everywhere in between, and I shoot my .308 10 to 1. I can do anything with it that anyone can do with anyother caliber this side of 1000 period.
If you are actually serious about shooting which I have my doubts. Get yourself a .308 and some really cheap ammo and shoot every chance you get. If you practice enough to shoot that decent, go get some match ammo shoot it even more when you run out of funds buy a reloading press start rolling your own. After several thousand rounds you might have some understanding of whats going on. I have several calibers from big to small, tacticool to varmint and everywhere in between, and I shoot my .308 10 to 1. I can do anything with it that anyone can do with anyother caliber this side of 1000 period.
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I practically gave my 06 away and ran to get a 308 never looked back
I practically gave my 06 away and ran to get a 308 never looked back
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lovain1932</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I practically gave my 06 away and ran to get a 308 never looked back </div></div>
On the other hand you can push the -06 close to 300 Win Mag ballistics with alot better barrel life.
You can't do that with a .308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lovain1932</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I practically gave my 06 away and ran to get a 308 never looked back </div></div>
On the other hand you can push the -06 close to 300 Win Mag ballistics with alot better barrel life.
You can't do that with a .308
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6.5mm, .260.
7mm, .280.
.30cal, a Mag would be logical, but the .30-'06 gets that mag performance without needing to go to a Magnum boltface or endure other Magnum issues.
I think we need to examine the expansion ratio where case capacity and bore length approach overbore without actually arriving at that treshold. I think of this approach as being what I call an 'express' range. The .260 has it, the .280 has it, and the .30-'06 is at the lower edge of it.
Greg
6.5mm, .260.
7mm, .280.
.30cal, a Mag would be logical, but the .30-'06 gets that mag performance without needing to go to a Magnum boltface or endure other Magnum issues.
I think we need to examine the expansion ratio where case capacity and bore length approach overbore without actually arriving at that treshold. I think of this approach as being what I call an 'express' range. The .260 has it, the .280 has it, and the .30-'06 is at the lower edge of it.
Greg
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the other hand you can push the -06 close to 300 Win Mag ballistics with alot better barrel life.
You can't do that with a .308 </div></div>
Take a look at what a bolt action .308 can do with a 208 amax and RE17.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the other hand you can push the -06 close to 300 Win Mag ballistics with alot better barrel life.
You can't do that with a .308 </div></div>
Take a look at what a bolt action .308 can do with a 208 amax and RE17.
