In the near future getting a new krieger barrel for my Rem 700 SPS. I want to take the stock barrel with it's extraordinarily long throat, and get it re-cut to match specs. Will also be getting acting and bolt faced while getting new barrel installed. Thinking of using the stock barrel, pending results, for use with suppressor in the not so distant future (end of the year) on another remington 700 action (will be picking one up used, and having it faced). So I need to find a competent smith with the equipment to redo the chamber, if it is possible on the factory varmint barrel. The barrel and action are both currently shooting sub 1/2 groups @ 200m with handloads seated to magazine length (2.830) which is impressive for a off the shelf rifle with only a stock upgrade (B&C medalist tactical). I have already put 20 rounds through a hole a hair smaller than a quarter @ 200m with it, so I know the barrel is capable, and could do better if the throat was actually reachable. I have loaded some rounds to the lands (2.853 OAL using 178 Amax) and had about 1/4 groups (granted I know the action needs faced since my scope is doped 3/4 left on a calm day). Just would like to get everything I could out of the rifle. And also to use this barrel for suppressed use would be nice, after fixing the chamber/throat issue, and shortening it from 26" to 20" after chamber work is done.
Who does GOOD rechambering work?
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Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
There are a lot of good 'smiths who can set back the barrel for you right here on the Hide. Robert Gradous does outstanding work. I've seen some work from Mark Gordon at Short Action Customs that is good to go. Of course there is APA, GAP, etc. The Underground Skunk Dudes are well respected. Lots of good choices. I suggest maybe start calling some people and maybe that way see what info and "vibe" you get.
Mark
There are a lot of good 'smiths who can set back the barrel for you right here on the Hide. Robert Gradous does outstanding work. I've seen some work from Mark Gordon at Short Action Customs that is good to go. Of course there is APA, GAP, etc. The Underground Skunk Dudes are well respected. Lots of good choices. I suggest maybe start calling some people and maybe that way see what info and "vibe" you get.
Mark
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel.
If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel. </div></div>
Yup.
No gurantee that a 1/2 minute gun with a jump (which I doubt it is, but that's a different topic) will be better after a setback, it just doesn't work that way.
If its shooting 1/2moa at 200m get involved in some copms, you'll win for sure.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel. </div></div>
Yup.
No gurantee that a 1/2 minute gun with a jump (which I doubt it is, but that's a different topic) will be better after a setback, it just doesn't work that way.
If its shooting 1/2moa at 200m get involved in some copms, you'll win for sure.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
Not sure where you are located, but if you want the barrel set back in a reasonable amount of time, you might want to consider a reputable local smith. Many of the best smiths mentioned above generally have a bit of a wait time on their work.
Not sure where you are located, but if you want the barrel set back in a reasonable amount of time, you might want to consider a reputable local smith. Many of the best smiths mentioned above generally have a bit of a wait time on their work.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel. </div></div>
Yup.
No gurantee that a 1/2 minute gun with a jump (which I doubt it is, but that's a different topic) will be better after a setback, it just doesn't work that way.
If its shooting 1/2moa at 200m get involved in some copms, you'll win for sure. </div></div>
Like I mentioned, I am loading at max length, and event then, at times I have some occasional feeding issues. My plan is to shoot the throat out, and see about having it set back then, at least once it starts to slip.
My plan is to have the action trued once I get my krieger barrel ordered in, and take this barrel, have the chamber and throat reset and put it onto another action (a used, less expensive action, have the scope mount holes redone, and bolt/lugs/receiver faced unlike the other action)have it chopped and threaded for a suppressor, and use it for some night time coyote control on my farm land.
I would get into some competition shooting if I physically was able to, however getting blown up several times in Iraq kinda screwed me up, and makes me a tad inconsistent when it comes to that. One day I can print the super tight groups like that (hell maybe the 1/2 @ 200 is just pure luck on a good day, but has happened several times... exclusively using developed handloads) and others, I can just tell I won't be able to shoot for shat... comes with the nerve damage territory.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the rifle is shooting that good...... I wouldn't touch it.
Shoot the barrel out and then have the action trued when you rebarrel. </div></div>
Yup.
No gurantee that a 1/2 minute gun with a jump (which I doubt it is, but that's a different topic) will be better after a setback, it just doesn't work that way.
If its shooting 1/2moa at 200m get involved in some copms, you'll win for sure. </div></div>
Like I mentioned, I am loading at max length, and event then, at times I have some occasional feeding issues. My plan is to shoot the throat out, and see about having it set back then, at least once it starts to slip.
My plan is to have the action trued once I get my krieger barrel ordered in, and take this barrel, have the chamber and throat reset and put it onto another action (a used, less expensive action, have the scope mount holes redone, and bolt/lugs/receiver faced unlike the other action)have it chopped and threaded for a suppressor, and use it for some night time coyote control on my farm land.
I would get into some competition shooting if I physically was able to, however getting blown up several times in Iraq kinda screwed me up, and makes me a tad inconsistent when it comes to that. One day I can print the super tight groups like that (hell maybe the 1/2 @ 200 is just pure luck on a good day, but has happened several times... exclusively using developed handloads) and others, I can just tell I won't be able to shoot for shat... comes with the nerve damage territory.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure where you are located, but if you want the barrel set back in a reasonable amount of time, you might want to consider a reputable local smith. Many of the best smiths mentioned above generally have a bit of a wait time on their work. </div></div>
Not many reputable (EDIT)LOCAL 'smiths I trust... I do some smithing myself, just don't have the equipment or knowledge of bolt guns to do it myself (I do semis and pistols mostly, though I am good at restoring C&Rs as well...)
Turn around time for this barrel would not be a huge issue in the end, as this project is still in the 'research' phase (yes I plan stuff out way too much...)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure where you are located, but if you want the barrel set back in a reasonable amount of time, you might want to consider a reputable local smith. Many of the best smiths mentioned above generally have a bit of a wait time on their work. </div></div>
Not many reputable (EDIT)LOCAL 'smiths I trust... I do some smithing myself, just don't have the equipment or knowledge of bolt guns to do it myself (I do semis and pistols mostly, though I am good at restoring C&Rs as well...)
Turn around time for this barrel would not be a huge issue in the end, as this project is still in the 'research' phase (yes I plan stuff out way too much...)
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
I used Dave Sullivan at West Wind Rifles in Erie, Colorado to do two rifles for me. One, was a McMillan build M40A1 in 300 win mag that I wanted an Obermeyer 5R barrel mounted onto. Dave asked me where I wanted the throat set, and the rifle came back at precisely what I specified.
He uses one reamer for the chamber, and another reamer for the throat depending on the shape of the bullet you want to use.
I then sent him another Obermeyer barrel (6.5mm this time), and it also came back with the throat set exactly where I wanted it.
I asked Boots Obermeyer who he would recommend to set up the barrels I bought from him, and he recommended Dave Sullivan without hesitation. Now I know why.
Dave's work is flawless, and everything I asked him to do came back exactly as I had hoped for. He isn't the cheapest, or the fastest smith out there, but when he tells you the work will take a certain amount of time, he is VERY ACCURATE with his time predictions. Some smiths tell you 3 weeks, and 6 weeks later, you still don't have the work back. Dave is really good in letting you know when the work will be done.
I used Dave Sullivan at West Wind Rifles in Erie, Colorado to do two rifles for me. One, was a McMillan build M40A1 in 300 win mag that I wanted an Obermeyer 5R barrel mounted onto. Dave asked me where I wanted the throat set, and the rifle came back at precisely what I specified.
He uses one reamer for the chamber, and another reamer for the throat depending on the shape of the bullet you want to use.
I then sent him another Obermeyer barrel (6.5mm this time), and it also came back with the throat set exactly where I wanted it.
I asked Boots Obermeyer who he would recommend to set up the barrels I bought from him, and he recommended Dave Sullivan without hesitation. Now I know why.
Dave's work is flawless, and everything I asked him to do came back exactly as I had hoped for. He isn't the cheapest, or the fastest smith out there, but when he tells you the work will take a certain amount of time, he is VERY ACCURATE with his time predictions. Some smiths tell you 3 weeks, and 6 weeks later, you still don't have the work back. Dave is really good in letting you know when the work will be done.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have the action trued your stock barrel will no longer fit or be made to work the threads are recut as part of the truing making them oversize </div></div>
Hence why the stock barrel will be going onto another factory action that will just be getting basic receiver work done on it (without the threads being touched). This action the barrel is on has proven to be a prime example of remington's off the shelf accuracy, as it has printed the tight groups after a simple stock change to one with a bedding block, and a skim bedding job. The only complaint I have with it is the long throat that takes Sierra MK and Hornady Amax 168 and 175/178 grain bullets a OAL of 2.85 to be set .020" off lands, which won't function in the magazine, and I am certain that it would tighten up the groups slightly to get the chamber setback those few hundredths of an inch, especially once the throat wears out a tad and the groups open up a noticeable amount.
The purpose for this swap is to have a varmint rifle, and use the current action that will be completely trued and rebarreled for comp. use. Thinking of possibly even going .260 Rem during the rebarrel since it can outperform the .308 slightly, especially at longer ranges.... though the 'jury' is still out on that lol. The new barrel will either be a Krieger or Schneider.
Old barrel will be used primarily for coyote and wild hog and dog control on the farm, and needs to be suppressed as to not piss off the people across the street at o'dark thirty, or the ol' ball and chain, or more importantly spook the animals as much. lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have the action trued your stock barrel will no longer fit or be made to work the threads are recut as part of the truing making them oversize </div></div>
Hence why the stock barrel will be going onto another factory action that will just be getting basic receiver work done on it (without the threads being touched). This action the barrel is on has proven to be a prime example of remington's off the shelf accuracy, as it has printed the tight groups after a simple stock change to one with a bedding block, and a skim bedding job. The only complaint I have with it is the long throat that takes Sierra MK and Hornady Amax 168 and 175/178 grain bullets a OAL of 2.85 to be set .020" off lands, which won't function in the magazine, and I am certain that it would tighten up the groups slightly to get the chamber setback those few hundredths of an inch, especially once the throat wears out a tad and the groups open up a noticeable amount.
The purpose for this swap is to have a varmint rifle, and use the current action that will be completely trued and rebarreled for comp. use. Thinking of possibly even going .260 Rem during the rebarrel since it can outperform the .308 slightly, especially at longer ranges.... though the 'jury' is still out on that lol. The new barrel will either be a Krieger or Schneider.
Old barrel will be used primarily for coyote and wild hog and dog control on the farm, and needs to be suppressed as to not piss off the people across the street at o'dark thirty, or the ol' ball and chain, or more importantly spook the animals as much. lol
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
If you complete your profile some of the guys here could recommend a good smith.
I had a 700P and sent it to Up In Arms Desing Inc. in Hazleton Pa. Harry took care of all the action work, set the barrel back, recut the chamber, shortened the muzzle back and threaded it. Turn around time was excellent, communication was super, and the price was right. Harry also threaded and contoured a barrel on my wifes SPS-T to accept a Surefire brake adaptor.
http://www.upinarmsdesigns.com/
Give Harry a ring.
If you complete your profile some of the guys here could recommend a good smith.
I had a 700P and sent it to Up In Arms Desing Inc. in Hazleton Pa. Harry took care of all the action work, set the barrel back, recut the chamber, shortened the muzzle back and threaded it. Turn around time was excellent, communication was super, and the price was right. Harry also threaded and contoured a barrel on my wifes SPS-T to accept a Surefire brake adaptor.
http://www.upinarmsdesigns.com/
Give Harry a ring.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
You put 20 rounds into a sub 1" group at 200m and your want to do work on the rifle to make it better?
You put 20 rounds into a sub 1" group at 200m and your want to do work on the rifle to make it better?
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mayhem1stClass</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> (granted I know the action needs faced since my scope is doped 3/4 left on a calm day). </div></div>
That doesn't necessarily mean your action needs to be faced. Although being a factory Remington there is a good chance the face isn't true, I don't think that is a good indicator that it needs to be faced.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mayhem1stClass</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> (granted I know the action needs faced since my scope is doped 3/4 left on a calm day). </div></div>
That doesn't necessarily mean your action needs to be faced. Although being a factory Remington there is a good chance the face isn't true, I don't think that is a good indicator that it needs to be faced.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pgh_rugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You put 20 rounds into a sub 1" group at 200m and your want to do work on the rifle to make it better?
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lol... once the barrel starts to diminish I will!!!
And given the over generous throat length remington put on the factory barrel, granted the fact it can shoot very well, it will realistically keep it's expected optimum peak accurate life-span relatively short most likely. Besides, what's wrong with wanting a sub 1/2" group at 200m?
I mean that sub 1" group @ 200m is great and fine for handling coyotes on the farm, which is what the barrel will ultimately be used for, and for some of the other replies, might as well at least face the action, as it can be done relatively inexpensively, while having the barrels changed, and it couldn't hurt anything. Besides, I like to have the ability to mount a scope and hit paper without boresighting!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pgh_rugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You put 20 rounds into a sub 1" group at 200m and your want to do work on the rifle to make it better?
lol... once the barrel starts to diminish I will!!!
And given the over generous throat length remington put on the factory barrel, granted the fact it can shoot very well, it will realistically keep it's expected optimum peak accurate life-span relatively short most likely. Besides, what's wrong with wanting a sub 1/2" group at 200m?
I mean that sub 1" group @ 200m is great and fine for handling coyotes on the farm, which is what the barrel will ultimately be used for, and for some of the other replies, might as well at least face the action, as it can be done relatively inexpensively, while having the barrels changed, and it couldn't hurt anything. Besides, I like to have the ability to mount a scope and hit paper without boresighting!
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
Just for something to do, I measured a quarter. The one I had measured .950, now take off bullet size, you are shooting in the 6's at around 218 yards.
I use to have a car that I would drag race with, so I guess I understand the need to do better, but you might have your sights set pretty high(no pun intended).
Just for something to do, I measured a quarter. The one I had measured .950, now take off bullet size, you are shooting in the 6's at around 218 yards.
I use to have a car that I would drag race with, so I guess I understand the need to do better, but you might have your sights set pretty high(no pun intended).
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
I do not know where you are located but I would check in with some local shooters and see if there is a good quality local smith. I know a few close to me. With .5 MOA, I would leave it be.
I do not know where you are located but I would check in with some local shooters and see if there is a good quality local smith. I know a few close to me. With .5 MOA, I would leave it be.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thewileyone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not know where you are located but I would check in with some local shooters and see if there is a good quality local smith. I know a few close to me. With .5 MOA, I would leave it be. </div></div>
I'll leave it be when it is sub .25... Planning on building it up for competition shooting, where every advantage you can get counts. That is what the rebarrel and trueing will be for. The recutting of the chamber is when the factory barrel throat starts to show degradation to start give it some new life as a varmint barrel on another rem 700 action. After that I really don't expect the factory barrel to be hitting anymore than maybe .75 groups, it's good enough for a coyote. This action is just showing good quality to be made into a comp. rifle with an upgraded barrel and some action work when the upgraded barrel is installed (might as well to optimize accuracy, right?). I have considered going the custom action route, however there is just something about using a factory action to kinda prove that the shooter makes the biggest difference, and the fact that I don't have the $$$ up front to drop on a custom action, otherwise it would sit around for several months, which I could spend doing some load dev. and shooting, which is way more fun.
I'm in Central MO... most of the 'smiths around here either work on semis, handguns, or hunting rifles (I wouldn't trust them with precision work... at least the one's I know of around here).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thewileyone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not know where you are located but I would check in with some local shooters and see if there is a good quality local smith. I know a few close to me. With .5 MOA, I would leave it be. </div></div>
I'll leave it be when it is sub .25... Planning on building it up for competition shooting, where every advantage you can get counts. That is what the rebarrel and trueing will be for. The recutting of the chamber is when the factory barrel throat starts to show degradation to start give it some new life as a varmint barrel on another rem 700 action. After that I really don't expect the factory barrel to be hitting anymore than maybe .75 groups, it's good enough for a coyote. This action is just showing good quality to be made into a comp. rifle with an upgraded barrel and some action work when the upgraded barrel is installed (might as well to optimize accuracy, right?). I have considered going the custom action route, however there is just something about using a factory action to kinda prove that the shooter makes the biggest difference, and the fact that I don't have the $$$ up front to drop on a custom action, otherwise it would sit around for several months, which I could spend doing some load dev. and shooting, which is way more fun.
I'm in Central MO... most of the 'smiths around here either work on semis, handguns, or hunting rifles (I wouldn't trust them with precision work... at least the one's I know of around here).
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
I have dealt with several smiths on the Hide. It doesn't get much better then APA.
I have dealt with several smiths on the Hide. It doesn't get much better then APA.
Re: Who does GOOD rechambering work?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have dealt with several smiths on the Hide. It doesn't get much better then APA. </div></div>
That's the other thing too.... all I have heard from about the local smith's is regarding work on hunting rifles (bedding and stock work mostly) and some handgun work (nothing that I haven't don't myself when I went through various armorer's courses), nothing about precision work, and from the shops I have seen around here, none have the equipment to do the kind of work I am looking for. Sometimes I wish I had the $$$ to shell out to get the equipment myself, or knew someone who had the equipment who would let me use it (miss knowing some of the AMU and USASOC armorers) to do it myself lol. I also don't like entrusting someone with weaponry who doesn't have any kind of rapport to go on, which is one of the reasons I came here in the first place. I appreciate the input, and will keep the info in mind when the time, and barrel come.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have dealt with several smiths on the Hide. It doesn't get much better then APA. </div></div>
That's the other thing too.... all I have heard from about the local smith's is regarding work on hunting rifles (bedding and stock work mostly) and some handgun work (nothing that I haven't don't myself when I went through various armorer's courses), nothing about precision work, and from the shops I have seen around here, none have the equipment to do the kind of work I am looking for. Sometimes I wish I had the $$$ to shell out to get the equipment myself, or knew someone who had the equipment who would let me use it (miss knowing some of the AMU and USASOC armorers) to do it myself lol. I also don't like entrusting someone with weaponry who doesn't have any kind of rapport to go on, which is one of the reasons I came here in the first place. I appreciate the input, and will keep the info in mind when the time, and barrel come.
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