Re: Why are 1911's so expensive???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage 10fp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete Sake</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I look at it this way. You can buy a stock Remington 700 for $5-600 and a Tasco give and it will shoot just fine. The Tasco will probably suck and break. Or, you can buy a GAP or similar for $2700+ a SB and you will have a precision rifle. It will have a trued action, premium barrel, bedding, custom paint, superior stock and a tuned trigger. Neither the rifle or the scope will suck and in all actuality they will be exceptional.
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But I guess this logic is a big problem that I see floating around these days (especially on this forum). Your right that there are people out there that believe just because it's more expensive... it must be better. Your right that you can go out and buy a GAP for $2700 and then throw a $1500 scope on it and call it a "precision rifle" or in my case you can spend $700 on a Savage and throw a $320 nikon buckmaster on it and for less than the cost of your "precision" scope, get a gun that shoots as good as your 3k plus set up. In shooting skeet today, I out shot a guy with a $1500 browning with my $300 stoeger.
At the end of the day I feel like some things cost what they do because people are retarded enough to pay for it. I think the housing market, and harleys are good ammo for this point. Personally I like to understand what I'm paying for when I buy something. Like another person brought up harleys earlier. This is exactly why I would never buy one. I'll ride my r6 which accelerates much much faster and costs 1/3 as much. </div></div>
I too own a 3-9 Nikon scoped stock Savage and it does a fine job for its intended purpose which is deer hunting. It made a <1" group @ 100 yards with Black Hills 175's. For a precision rifle I choose a Remington 700 Tactical and put it in a 5r stock. I have been able to put 10 rounds under a nickel 1(one) time using a 3-9SS and the same ammo. With both instances I have had trouble repeating said groups on multiple occasions. Is this precision? Not in my book.
If I had to do it over again I would have bought a Marlin Model 1895SBL with a 1-4ss for deer hunting and saved my pennies a bit longer so I could afford a base model GAP or similar with Badger M5 bottom metal and 5-50ss or better for precision. I want the Marlin simply because I want a lever gun and the GAP or similar because by the time it's all said and done with the money I will have spent upgrading Remington, I may as well have bought the GAP or similar and been done with it. I would have a rifle that is guaranteed to shoot 1/2 moa or better which would be putting my skills to the test. But what can I say, you live and you learn.
With regard to you Browning vs. Stoeger match up. First and simply put, you could just be a better shot than the other shooter plain and simple. Second, at my local trap range they have loaner guns. They are all expensive for a reason and that is simple. Cheap guns break when used repeatedly. If you want to prove me wrong, the next time you go to the range ask the clerk if they have any loaners and if so do they have a Stoeger. If they do loan guns, chances are it's not a Stoeger for the very reason I mentioned above.
With regard to your r6 vs. Harley match up. First, an r6 is not a cruiser and a Harley is not a crotch rocket. Both have very different and specific functions appealing to very different sections of the motorcycle market. It's kind of like saying your Stoeger makes crappy groups at 200 yards compared to your Savage and your Savage can't hit anything flying through the air. With that said do you find yourself at least thinking about hopping up you r6 or just buying one for 3x the cost because it has every mod imaginable and goes super duper fast compared to a stock r6? That consideration is similar to the feeling experienced by shooters have with relation to high end firearms or Harley buffs that want a custom chopper.
And finally, did you start this thread with the intention of calling those who justified the expense of high end firearms "retards"? If that is the case you probably should not have started it. This forum is for sharing information amongst one another not for bashing, necessarily. I'm just saying. With that said, if you are going to use this forum to bash people can you refrain from calling people "retards" and such. There is no glory in making fun of people who got dealt the hand they did in life. It's rather low class and trashy in my opinion. This is the same for people who buy high end firearms. They can't help it. They are experienced shooters.
