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Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

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I'm looking to get a new McMillan stock for my Rem700 5R. The Rem bottom metal is gone, but what should I replace it with?
I would like to some day shoot F-class competition so maybe there is a need there. I really don't need quick reloads at the range so what are some other reasons I should fork out the cash for such a thing?
 
#2
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

If you don't need it then don't get it. Not everyone does.
 
#4
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i don't think you will be magazine feeding during an f-class match.

edit: i believe that the badger m4 trigger guard has the same inlet profile as the m5 dbm bottom metal. getting the stock inlet for and using the m4 bottom metal may be a good idea. this will allow for an easy dbm upgrade if you ever decide to do so.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't think you will be magazine feeding during an f-class match.</div></div>
The ROs will frown upon it.
 
#6
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

If your only shooting f-class then you do not need it. With practice you can single feed a bolt gun pretty quick.

The only reason I went with a DBM was during a "tactical" match you are moving with a unloaded gun to different shooting positions and engaging multiple targets when you get there. It was tough to carry a hand full of shells with you and set up and shoot (usually in the mud).

Now with a DBM I can carry 5 or 10 rounds in a nice compact mag, and load and shoot. Much faster now!

If you do not need to move and shoot, then no need to spend the $300.00 bucks! that will buy a lot of bullets and powder!

FYI--you can still be competitive in a "tactical" match without a DBM!
 
#7
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For F-Class...you will be single feeding, so I wouldn't opt for a detachable mag setup if that is your sole plan for the rifle (although you can certainly have a DM setup and still single feed...use the mags for other shooting).

You can go with a blind-mag (ADL) style stock from McM or just go with other bottom metal like the Badger M4, Williams, etc.
 
#8
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

I don't know about needing them.
If you shoot tac matches, you may need one.
If you have a large number of targets that have to be fired on and not a lot of time to do that or reloading a fixed mag would be a problem then you might need one.
Here's why I wanted one, but may not have needed one-
It was a PITA to feed rounds under a full-width Pic rail.
I wanted to be able to quickly load/unload without simply dumping the rounds with the hinged floorplate.
I wanted to be able to carry some extra rounds around that would be ready to load into the rifle without pulling them out of boxes or carriers.
I wanted to be able to shoot tac matches without handicapping by a small, fixed mag.
I wanted to be able to carry different loads if needed in separate mags.
I went with an AICS mag because if I needed to borrow a mag or someone else needed one, I would have a very good chance of being able to help or be helped.
Just my reasons.
 
#11
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I never had a DBM on my 700, then I ordered my GAP with it. It is worth the money I would say. Also if you did want to shoot a tac match I feel like you would be handicapping your self with out it, unless you practice a lot. The only reason why I say that is because of speed drills and fine skills are lost under pressure.

Internal mags are a pain in the ass anyway, atleast to me.
 
#12
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As mentioned, F-Class requires you to feed one round at a time. The serious F-classers have single shot actions, eliminating magazines altogether. I have had a lot of reliability problems with BDL trigger guards. If it does not feed 100%, then I don't want it on my rifle. I have settled on the HS-Precision bottom metal for my hunting rifles because:
1. It is a center feed design, which I believe is quite a bit more reliable than the stagger-feed BDL metal.
2. The 4-round magazine still sits flush in the stock: unlike the AICS magazine assemblies. In my experience, it's actually more like a 3-round magazine, but that is fine with me for hunting.

On the other hand, my tubegun does use an AICS magazine assembly. It's a MAK Tubegun and the 5-rounder sits flush in the chassis. Nice thing about the AICS is you can purchase a single-round feed delrin insert that makes single-round loading smooth as silk.
 
#13
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Thanks for all the input. A lot of good points were made. In the end I like options. I don't switch equipment much so in order to have more options in the future I decided to get Surgeon DBM setup. I was able to pick up a McMillan in the style that I wanted that was already inlet for this. Had this stock not been available and I'd have to wait for 4 months to get a custom stock, I would have perhaps gone with the Williams bottom metal. Then I could have had it inlet later for a DBM.

So this way I still get the added option of a DBM and a stock that was "in stock". Down side is having to buy the Surgeon equipment, although I don't think I will ever regret it. Just hard to spend the $$$. I haven't cheeped out too much this far, so not starting now.

I guess I need to start saving for a new scope, although I really like my Bushnell 3200 10X Mildot. Best scope I've ever owned, and the most expensive one I've bought. It works very well and can't complain.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also makes your rifle look more (sniperish) </div></div>

lol, +1
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also makes your rifle look more (sniperish) </div></div>

That's sniper-y bro!
 
#17
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I shot tactical match in Sacramento. I have a HS Precision HTR. I had 4 4 rd. mags. Because I was missing I quickly used up the 4 rd mags, I was left in the dust from guys w/ Badger bottoms.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThudF105d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot tactical match in Sacramento. I have a HS Precision HTR. I had 4 4 rd. mags. Because I was missing I quickly used up the 4 rd mags, I was left in the dust from guys w/ Badger bottoms. </div></div>

The OP may not need them, but I do!
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...they are totally tactical </div></div>

Funny but true.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...they are totally tactical </div></div>

Not to mention being <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">tacti-cool</span></span> too.
 
#22
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

If you don't need it, then don't get it. If you later see a need, then add one.

I have shot quite a few competitions with a top-loader. Sometimes a mag would have been an advantage, sometimes not. For my work rifle it's just not needed.

However....it is nice to have since you can use it when you need it and it's not really in the way when you don't. The only thing you loose with a AICS based magazine system is the ability to top load.
 
#23
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Some good answers in here so far.

The detachable magazine system is something I enjoy because I do compete in some matches that require engaging multiple targets. In some matches there are stages that require starting with an unloaded weapon and then on the buzzer you must load and engage multiple targets. It is simply a faster reload.

I also enjoy it on my hunting rifle because it is easier for me to load and unload the rifle wearing thick gloves that would make grabbing loose rounds cumbersome.

So it really depends on what you are doing with the rifle.

The downside is that I have seen one guy (a good friend, actually) show up at the range a time or three with his rifle but no magazine. LOL.

Figure out if it will benefit you. It is a lot of money so only you can decide if the benefits are worth it to YOU. :)
 
#24
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I like it because I think top-loading is a PITA and it is nice to have 5 or 10 rounds plus reloads when a lot of targets show up that need to be shot quickly.

-dan
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In some matches there are stages that require starting with an unloaded weapon and then on the buzzer you must load and engage multiple targets. It is simply a faster reload.</div></div>

I have actually shot in a couple matches like this. Although I was running a top-loader AND they required that MAGAZINES be unloaded. If you were going to use a magazine it had be be loaded under time.

Depending on the magazine system this actually gave me a little bit of an advantage over some shooters. It takes less time to load an internal magazine on a 700 than a removable magazine on an AE then load it into the weapon. Now if you have a true double stack like on an AW then you have the best of both worlds and the magazines are easier to load.

It really will come down to skill with the weapon system and the type of magazine system.

I will tell you that I train to load under pressure. Once you put in the proper training time it's almost automatic. I train to know what a bolt closing on an empty chamber feels like, and I train to toss a round in as soon as I feel that.

If you have the choice on a duty weapon, I really can't see an operational drawback to a AICS type magazine system.
 
#27
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

If I am going to need more than 4 or 5 shots out of a 7.62 I just break out the SR 25, which has a DBM and more. SMILE
 
#28
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I am going to need more than 4 or 5 shots out of a 7.62 I just break out the SR 25, which has a DBM and more. SMILE</div></div>



+1
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#29
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I am going to need more than 4 or 5 shots out of a 7.62 I just break out the SR 25, which has a DBM and more. SMILE </div></div>

Because you know when you are standing there with your BDL bottomed boltgun, you always have the SR25 in the ruck......
 
#30
Re: Why do I NEED a detachable box magazine?

I know we try to set up our matches to not give an unfair advantage to mag fed boltguns (or gasguns).

Like everything else in the arena of practical precision shooting, there is no panacea, and every benefit has a cost.......
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
edit: i believe that the badger m4 trigger guard has the same inlet profile as the m5 dbm bottom metal. getting the stock inlet for and using the m4 bottom metal may be a good idea. this will allow for an easy dbm upgrade if you ever decide to do so. </div></div>

Sorry, but it is different. I called Badger a while back to confirm it.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricM40</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
edit: i believe that the badger m4 trigger guard has the same inlet profile as the m5 dbm bottom metal. getting the stock inlet for and using the m4 bottom metal may be a good idea. this will allow for an easy dbm upgrade if you ever decide to do so. </div></div>

Sorry, but it is different. I called Badger a while back to confirm it. </div></div>

my mistake. i have only installed the m5. i thought i had heard the m4 had the same profile but i guess i was wrong.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I am going to need more than 4 or 5 shots out of a 7.62 I just break out the SR 25, which has a DBM and more. SMILE </div></div>

Because you know when you are standing there with your BDL bottomed boltgun, you always have the SR25 in the ruck...... </div></div>

Thank goodness you're carrying that ruck and not me !
smile.gif
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I am going to need more than 4 or 5 shots out of a 7.62 I just break out the SR 25, which has a DBM and more. SMILE </div></div>

Different tools for different jobs.

I have an AR10 and I have a top loading bolt gun. I now also have a magazine fed bolt gun. I don't always have them all with me.
 
#37
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So I decided to make it tacticool. I picked up a McMillan A3-5 in olive that was already inlet for the Surgeon DBM. I have to redo all my shooting since I just figured out the the front screw was just interfering (.020 shorter works great) with the bolt lug, so I figure the bolt was being loaded funny-like so the funny groups are now explained. Anyhow, I am attaching some pics... after I figure out how.
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#38
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I left some blood and skin off my thumb on my scope rail while top loading at a class... was never getting more than 3 in at a time without some sort of mix up inside requiring them to be dumped and cleared by hand...

I resolved to get a DBM when I resorted to single loading as being faster than using the internal box.


I used to think they were 'tacticool' as well, but in reality they're just 'better'
 
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