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Why does this call my name . . . . .

bmt

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This Ugly Rifle keeps calling my name.

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They make one in LH action . . . .

Its just a remake of the SMLE Jungle carbine . . .

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But I held one at cabela's . . . .

PLease send help (or $$)
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Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

We've got a couple at work and they're not bad handling. I think their rear sight could use some work, but that's just me.
A few people have said "It's too heavy". I just shook my head.
I say buy it
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Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiteDingo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a couple at work and they're not bad handling. I think their rear sight could use some work, but that's just me.
A few people have said "It's too heavy". I just shook my head.
I say buy it
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my initial impression after lifting one up was wow this thing is light
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiteDingo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a couple at work and they're not bad handling. I think their rear sight could use some work, but that's just me.
A few people have said "It's too heavy". I just shook my head.
I say buy it
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my initial impression after lifting one up was wow this thing is light </div></div>

That was my thought as well. Must just be a bunch of wimps at work.
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like it. What were they asking for it? </div></div>

Lowest I have seen is $750 highest is $825.

BMT
 
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I've played with one here at impact guns a few times.

I like the idea, but it was poorly executed. Polymer bottom metal still screams cheap quality.

If they only used actual metal for the bottom of it, a bit better sights, and reworked the trigger so it didnt feel like dragging a sandbag across pavement, then i'd probably add one to my stable
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well when your used to hauling a tac rifle everything seems light. </div></div>

My hunting rifle is 14 pounds. The people I hunt with think I'm nuts...
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've played with one here at impact guns a few times.

I like the idea, but it was poorly executed. Polymer bottom metal still screams cheap quality.

If they only used actual metal for the bottom of it, a bit better sights, and reworked the trigger so it didnt feel like dragging a sandbag across pavement, then i'd probably add one to my stable </div></div>

Yeah, I know. They aimed at a price point. For an $800 rifle, they did well.

BMT
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Caeli</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SMLE jungle carbine (drool) That's an awful big glass for that little bitty carbine though... </div></div>

True. and they are heavy for a short gun. The Ruger is quite light . . .
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

I'm having the same problem. Thing is, my M1a NM will do everything the Ruger can, and then some. Don't know why I still like the ruger though.
 
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I like the idea, Im a Ruger fan, but they hosed up a few points on this rifle in my opinion. Plastic / Polymer bottom metal ... rear sight as mentioned ... whats with the bird cage ...

Old Bill built some quality rifles ... his sons are screwin the pooch in my opinion. I think this rifle has a LOT of potential but its not quite there yet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sapper524</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the idea, Im a Ruger fan, but they hosed up a few points on this rifle in my opinion. Plastic / Polymer bottom metal ... rear sight as mentioned ... whats with the bird cage ...

Old Bill built some quality rifles ... his sons are screwin the pooch in my opinion. I think this rifle has a LOT of potential but its not quite there yet. </div></div>

I dig the birdcage . . . . .

BMT
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reason there calling your name is because firearms are fun
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Buy then while you can.



Aron- </div></div>

Very true . . . .
 
Re: Why does this call my name . . . . .

Chief just got one of these. I have it now to set up scope and get it dialed in close until we can fine tune it.

I'll get a range report on the weekend. Interesting bit of kit. We'll see if it shoots well.

Pre-firing impressions: Light, handy, feels pretty solid. Bolt is not very smooth, but it might 'work in.' The Pic rail has to come off to mount any kind of scope w. the factory rings. It's definitely set up for a red dot as it comes out of the box... but why? Checkering and stock very nicely executed. Laminate probably is as good as a polymer. Barrel appears free-floated, but I have to run a feeler to make sure.

I like Ruger's in general, but it's not a collector piece.

We'll see how it prints at 100... If it shoots well, it may be a winner. Kind of a new class of rifle.... but not sure what class.

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS for Sapper... Bill Jr. is a friend of mine. He is fully retired and gone from day-to-day operations at Sturm Ruger. Has been gone about 5 years. IMHO, he did just fine... company is now in the hands of hirelings and these days I wonder at some of the offerings... But that's not Bill Jr.'s doing. Just 'sayin.
 
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I was intrigued from when I first saw it, and finally bought one a few weeks ago. Compared to my long range rifles, it is very light and handy, and even balances reasonably well with a YHM Phantom on it. I've only shot it with the iron sights and a dot sight, so I can't comment on accuracy, but it is fun to shoot. My trigger is right at 4 pounds and feels pretty good - no worse than a factory 700 or Weatherby Vanguard.

I think it is going to be a very handy truck gun - easy to handle, I don't need to be as fussy about loading for it, and the ammo is cheaper. The barrel threading is concentric, the shoulder is square to the bore, and a YHM QD flash hider threads right on. That alone is worth something to me, having had some problems getting barrels threaded. It is also handy to set the optic up for the can and leave the irons for unsuppressed shooting.

Yeah, the factory mags are a little sloppy in the well, and the bottom "metal" isn't, but I like it and it will do what I want it to do. When I finally decide what optics to put on it, I suspect it will become a deer rifle option for my wife or I. I've heard a lot of discussion about whether it meets Jeff Cooper's definition or not, or how the flash hider is ugly. I'm not too concerned about either, especially since the flash hider is easy to take care of with a T60 torx.

As for semi-auto, I'm not a fan of AR-15s or AR-10s, although I have looked at M1As and Garands for awhile. The problem for me is switching between suppressed and unsuppressed - even if the autos still function both ways it can be pretty hard on them, and the buffer noise in an AR is much louder than I want.

I'm glad I bought it - can never have too many firearms!
 
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Brother got one few weeks back and on the 4th, I got to shoot it. Was very light and easy to handle. I have a 6" steel hanger, and from 100, we had no probs hitting it freestanding. Didnt even adjust the sights. Trigger was smooth and not to heavy and bolt cycled w/o a prob. I almost want one, but its pretty far down the list as of right now.

Regards,
DT
 
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So here's a range report on the Gunsite Ruger rifle.

As mentioned above, it feels nice and handy. Definitely a carry/offhand rifle, not really suited to bench. Marginal for prone shooting because of long magazine.

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Also note that I shot this after shooting my TRG much of yesterday and that was a mistake. It's probably like getting out of an Aston Martin and into a Trabant. Had I done it the other way around... I might be much more complimentary.

This rifle is set up with a 1" Nikon Buckmasters scope that has mil dots. OK scope for price. Nothing spectacular. But it’s what the owner had available. I am trying to talk him into some better glass, but we’ll see.

Overall, I like the package and think as an 'offhand' rifle, hunting rifle or patrol rifle w. a little more punch than an AR, it's a neat thing. Gunsite seems to be selling it as the fulfillment of Jeff Cooper’s scout rifle concept. It does that well.

My likes: Compact, light, nice looking. Should be pretty rugged. I like the pre-threaded barrel as it’s well-suited to a suppressor. As I mentioned above, I think this would make an excellent patrol rifle, filling the gap between an AR with iron sights or a red dot and the full-up precision rifle. Sort of a ‘designated marksman’ rifle with the right glass…. But more on this below. As a hunting rifle, I think it would be very good. Though to put any kind of hunting scope on it, you have to remove the Pic rail.

On the subject of the Pic Rail... it's definitely mounted forward for a red dot or a long-eye-relief scope. This goes against my personal preferences. I think red dot scopes are ideally suited for close-in work. Where the M4, MP5, etc. are ideal. But on a .308 that should be accurate to several hundred yards, this rifle cries out for a 1.5-6x scope with a good reticle. But to mount any traditional scopes... you have to take off the pic rail... and you probably have to find some kind of new rings. The rifle comes with a set of (different height) 1" rings. The ring heights are staggered because of the receiver design. I don't think you can get 30mm or 34mm rings, limiting optics selection severely. A long Pic rail on top might help... but does anyone make one?

My dislikes: The magazine fit is appalling. And I don't like the 'rotate' in M-14-style of mag. That's just a personal preference. Maybe just this rifle, but the mag rattles around like a baby toy. And it’s noisy. Worse, if you put ANY pressure on it (resting against a front sandbag on a bench, for example) will cause a feed jam. This gun would definitely benefit from some closer-fitting polymer mags as the steel magazine is like an amplifier. I am fine w. polymer bottom 'metal'. No worries about rust...

The feeding is also very rough. Keep in mind that I came off the TRG to shoot this… so I may be spoiled, but I feel it should be better. Prone, cycling the bolt sucked. The geometry was poor and if the magazine touched a sandbag or the ground... jam. Standing, it seemed to work ok, but had to be manhandled and sure didn’t feel smooth. This may well be the magazine’s fault. Again, I think this rifle is best shot anywhere BUT from a bench or prone.

And, I dislike the optics mounting setup for reasons listed above. With irons, though, this is moot. And if these sell well, aftermarket will come up with some very cool solutions, so this is probably moot.

Shooting: Trigger is crisp, but nothing spectacular. For its intended purpose, a crisp trigger w. some pull required is likely a good thing. Break was predictable. I don’t know if it is adjustable. I don’t want to play w. it at this point in any case.

I expected a pretty hefty recoil, but it wasn’t bad at all. Certainly no worse than any hunting rifle and utterly controllable. I don’t know if the flash hider has any ‘compensating’ built in, but it’s pleasant to shoot.

It dialed in just fine, shooting at 50 yards.

I shot two groups after sighting in. One with some generic .308 Ball and another group w. Black Hills Match .308 Amax 168. Surprisingly, it shot better with the generic ball, which shot a ragged 3/4 inch hole in the center of the target. Unfortunately, I didn’t save the first target. The AMAX seemed to shoot every second round as a flyer. See target. 3 shots in about 1/3rd of an inch… and 2 flyers touching each other. I was shooting off bags prone with the rifle fully supported. I didn’t pull any shots, all were on target when the trigger broke.

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I expected better accuracy from the AMAX’s… but obviously don’t take 5 rounds Ball and 5 of AMAX as a comprehensive test. I am going to work w. the owner to load some rounds for this rifle and I bet we can dial it in to sub-MOA and we'll next be shooting to 100 and 200. My guess is that accuracy is going to be great w. handloads, but so far the flyers puzzle me.

Overall, I think it’s a neat gun and a neat concept. I doubt I would shell out for one myself, but the owner loves it, which is what counts. For the price (and I don’t know what these sell for), I’d probably stick w. my recently-acquired c. 1970’s Remington Model 600 and throw a poly stock and some great glass on it. IMHO, this rifle cries out for good (and suitable) optics. Before I’d put the Ruger Gunsite rifle in a cruiser, I’d want to wring out more accuracy and prove it’s reliability and accuracy more.

But my likes outweigh my dislikes and I think it would grow on me as I got more familiar with it.

Cheers,

Sirhr

Just for grins, here it is next to a Model 600 Mohawk Remington that I bought not long ago.

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Good review. That was pretty much the same conclusion my father came to when he got a hold of his last month - and he sold it. I think the concept is there, but this rifle is just still not quite it...yet.