Why Remington over Winchester?
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Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I'd take a Model 70 over a 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
I'd take a Model 70 over a 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I would take a M70 over a Rem any day of the week and twice on Sunday. One of my most accurate stock rifles was an M70 Stealth I.
I would take a M70 over a Rem any day of the week and twice on Sunday. One of my most accurate stock rifles was an M70 Stealth I.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
My M700 is a .223 VLS. I like it, but the barrels about done.
My M70 is a .30-'06 in a very light stock with a sporter barrel and harris Bipod. Took 3rd overall using 168gr FGMM in the '97 NJ State Sniper Champs with it. Simpler than this one, it just doesn't get.
My 10FP is much reworked for F Class, .260 Rem.
They are all excellent.
My next rifle will be a Savage S/A H/B with D/M, Accue-Trugger, and Accue-Stock, preferably 7-08 or .308, and will be rebarreled with an L-W SS .260, SSS recoil Lug (only if it's compatible with the Accue-Stock, otherwise the factory lug is just fine), Ken Farrel 20MOA Base, Burris Signature Zee rings, and SSS magazine extension.
Greg
My M700 is a .223 VLS. I like it, but the barrels about done.
My M70 is a .30-'06 in a very light stock with a sporter barrel and harris Bipod. Took 3rd overall using 168gr FGMM in the '97 NJ State Sniper Champs with it. Simpler than this one, it just doesn't get.
My 10FP is much reworked for F Class, .260 Rem.
They are all excellent.
My next rifle will be a Savage S/A H/B with D/M, Accue-Trugger, and Accue-Stock, preferably 7-08 or .308, and will be rebarreled with an L-W SS .260, SSS recoil Lug (only if it's compatible with the Accue-Stock, otherwise the factory lug is just fine), Ken Farrel 20MOA Base, Burris Signature Zee rings, and SSS magazine extension.
Greg
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
The success of the M700 is based purely on economics. When the M700 was introduced in 1962 in conjunction with the 7mm Rem Mag, it was then and is now extremely cheap to manufacture. The M70 started life as a 75 oz block of stock and 120 machining operations later was a 19 oz action. Obviously superior to the M700, but over priced in the eyes of the consumer and of course, the 264 Win Mag seemed rather anemic to the hunters of the day. Winchester responed with the cheaper to manufacture push feed action and we all know how that ended up. The "small block chevy" analogy is a perfect way to describe the success of the M700. I'd take a M70 over the M700 any day and have many precision rifles built on the M70. Just my two cents worth....
The success of the M700 is based purely on economics. When the M700 was introduced in 1962 in conjunction with the 7mm Rem Mag, it was then and is now extremely cheap to manufacture. The M70 started life as a 75 oz block of stock and 120 machining operations later was a 19 oz action. Obviously superior to the M700, but over priced in the eyes of the consumer and of course, the 264 Win Mag seemed rather anemic to the hunters of the day. Winchester responed with the cheaper to manufacture push feed action and we all know how that ended up. The "small block chevy" analogy is a perfect way to describe the success of the M700. I'd take a M70 over the M700 any day and have many precision rifles built on the M70. Just my two cents worth....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would take a M70 over a Rem any day of the week and twice on Sunday. <span style="font-weight: bold">One of my most accurate stock rifles was an M70 Stealth</span> I. </div></div>
Ditto.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would take a M70 over a Rem any day of the week and twice on Sunday. <span style="font-weight: bold">One of my most accurate stock rifles was an M70 Stealth</span> I. </div></div>
Ditto.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life
So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life</div></div>
Give GAP a call as I know they build kick-ass winny's. I had a GAP built 30-06 M70 and it was a laser. Another Hide member owns it now and wouldn't sell it back to me even if he needed a kidney.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life</div></div>
Give GAP a call as I know they build kick-ass winny's. I had a GAP built 30-06 M70 and it was a laser. Another Hide member owns it now and wouldn't sell it back to me even if he needed a kidney.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike I noticed you said another hide member not a friend..</div></div>
Semantics. Trying to read information that isn't there. This particular Hide member is considered a good friend. My previous omission of information regarding our relationship did not reflect my feelings for this individual but rather only reflected the necessity of information to validate my point.
On another note, the lack of popularity of the M70 may also be do to the fact that it is not current military, nor is it on the "cool" list therefore the lemmings aren't pursuing it in vast numbers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike I noticed you said another hide member not a friend..</div></div>
Semantics. Trying to read information that isn't there. This particular Hide member is considered a good friend. My previous omission of information regarding our relationship did not reflect my feelings for this individual but rather only reflected the necessity of information to validate my point.
On another note, the lack of popularity of the M70 may also be do to the fact that it is not current military, nor is it on the "cool" list therefore the lemmings aren't pursuing it in vast numbers.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of curiosity, how are the reintroduced classic pre 64 actions viewed compared to the early original pre 64's?
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I have no first hand experience, but my neighbor has one in 300 Winmag, it is a beautiful rifle and a solid performer.
I have one Remington and two winchesters,
I like the bolt design and 3 position safety more than my remington,
much harder to find stocks for Winchesters, especially long actions.....
One great thing is that the barrels between remington and winchester share the same thread pitch, but the Win is 1/16th smaller in diameter, so you can take a remmy barrel and rethread for your win action....
Andy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of curiosity, how are the reintroduced classic pre 64 actions viewed compared to the early original pre 64's?
</div></div>
I have no first hand experience, but my neighbor has one in 300 Winmag, it is a beautiful rifle and a solid performer.
I have one Remington and two winchesters,
I like the bolt design and 3 position safety more than my remington,
much harder to find stocks for Winchesters, especially long actions.....
One great thing is that the barrels between remington and winchester share the same thread pitch, but the Win is 1/16th smaller in diameter, so you can take a remmy barrel and rethread for your win action....
Andy
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of curiosity, how are the reintroduced classic pre 64 actions viewed compared to the early original pre 64's?
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There are differences between the two, but all of the things that made the Pre-64 a great action are there. We've built numerous SCOUT rifles on the classic actions recently and the classics are solid, top notch actions to build on. One of my favorite factory actions....They are now plentiful and with the Williams bottom metal they're hard to beat. I'm playing with DBM's as well....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of curiosity, how are the reintroduced classic pre 64 actions viewed compared to the early original pre 64's?
</div></div>
There are differences between the two, but all of the things that made the Pre-64 a great action are there. We've built numerous SCOUT rifles on the classic actions recently and the classics are solid, top notch actions to build on. One of my favorite factory actions....They are now plentiful and with the Williams bottom metal they're hard to beat. I'm playing with DBM's as well....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Ive got a post 64 M70 that I had built into a .243Ai and its a shooter.
Sure theres not as many parts avaliable, but, the main one you need to make it shoot are. Trigger is the main one.
To be ohnest, Id take either 700 or 70. I just happen to allready have had the M70.
Ive got a post 64 M70 that I had built into a .243Ai and its a shooter.
Sure theres not as many parts avaliable, but, the main one you need to make it shoot are. Trigger is the main one.
To be ohnest, Id take either 700 or 70. I just happen to allready have had the M70.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
A buddy of mine has a factory push feed .223 that is an incredible shooter. All he did was paint the stock and re-crown the barrel. It shot too well to do anything else to it....
A buddy of mine has a factory push feed .223 that is an incredible shooter. All he did was paint the stock and re-crown the barrel. It shot too well to do anything else to it....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
The first rifle I ever built was a Win 70 Stealth and it is one of the most accurate rifle I have shot. One of my friends made me sell it to him and I wish I still had it.
The first rifle I ever built was a Win 70 Stealth and it is one of the most accurate rifle I have shot. One of my friends made me sell it to him and I wish I still had it.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I have had the pleasure of shooting the Navy's McMillan 300WM prone rifles (R700-based action), a R40x, a couple pre-64 M70s and currently shoot a R700 SPS-V that I have....ummm....massaged a wee bit. All these rifles have shot remarkably well, and I wouldn't refuse them if issued.
A good debate on this was had by Bart Bobbitt (a highly regarded former Navy, current Palma shooter).
Look here
I have had the pleasure of shooting the Navy's McMillan 300WM prone rifles (R700-based action), a R40x, a couple pre-64 M70s and currently shoot a R700 SPS-V that I have....ummm....massaged a wee bit. All these rifles have shot remarkably well, and I wouldn't refuse them if issued.
A good debate on this was had by Bart Bobbitt (a highly regarded former Navy, current Palma shooter).
Look here
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first rifle I ever built was a Win 70 Stealth and it is one of the most accurate rifle I have shot. One of my friends made me sell it to him and I wish I still had it.</div></div>
I thought you were going to sell me the other your brother had down here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first rifle I ever built was a Win 70 Stealth and it is one of the most accurate rifle I have shot. One of my friends made me sell it to him and I wish I still had it.</div></div>
I thought you were going to sell me the other your brother had down here.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.</div></div>
Mike,
I think that you need to rename your Skunkworks Precision Rifle the...
"Winington"
What do you think??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.</div></div>
Mike,
I think that you need to rename your Skunkworks Precision Rifle the...
"Winington"
What do you think??
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
The FN rifles as most know are just a pre64 style Winchester
action. I have a custom 700 and a custom Win/FN action. I like
the controlled round feed and the absolutely positive ejection
of the Win/FN. I have had my 700 dump the empty right back in
my chamber several times. My Fn has yet to do it.
The FN rifles as most know are just a pre64 style Winchester
action. I have a custom 700 and a custom Win/FN action. I like
the controlled round feed and the absolutely positive ejection
of the Win/FN. I have had my 700 dump the empty right back in
my chamber several times. My Fn has yet to do it.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I've a Winchester Stealth II in 308. As accurate as I can be, and very smooth action. Trigger was not the top, but not even that bad, although I eventually ended up dropping a Rifle Basix on it.
IIRC I paid $550 for it, one of the best investment I made.
The M700 has been adopted as standard, not necessarily because it was/is the best option (like it happens in many sectors other than firearms).
I've a Winchester Stealth II in 308. As accurate as I can be, and very smooth action. Trigger was not the top, but not even that bad, although I eventually ended up dropping a Rifle Basix on it.
IIRC I paid $550 for it, one of the best investment I made.
The M700 has been adopted as standard, not necessarily because it was/is the best option (like it happens in many sectors other than firearms).
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Mike,
I asked GAP to install a detachable magazine system on my M70 and they said they only work on Remingtons. Is there someone there I can talk to about this or does anyone know a smith that can do this? I have a custom barrel on a A4 stock in 308.
Mike,
I asked GAP to install a detachable magazine system on my M70 and they said they only work on Remingtons. Is there someone there I can talk to about this or does anyone know a smith that can do this? I have a custom barrel on a A4 stock in 308.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
When they said they only work on Remingtons, they were talking about the detachable mag system, not the actions themselves. The Badger doesn't work on the Winchesters.
George is gone for a week but you can send him an email and see what he says.
When they said they only work on Remingtons, they were talking about the detachable mag system, not the actions themselves. The Badger doesn't work on the Winchesters.
George is gone for a week but you can send him an email and see what he says.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
CDI makes a detachable mag system for the Winchester/FN action
CDI makes a detachable mag system for the Winchester/FN action
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: darrenk75b</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CDI makes a detachable mag system for the Winchester/FN action </div></div>
+1 I have the CDI on my Win Mod 70 in 300WM in a Manners stock, works well...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: darrenk75b</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CDI makes a detachable mag system for the Winchester/FN action </div></div>
+1 I have the CDI on my Win Mod 70 in 300WM in a Manners stock, works well...
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Wow, you guys don't know how good it makes me feel to know there are a pile of guys out there that realize the Mod 70 is THE RIFLE. Or as Winchester called them "The Riflemans's Rifle".
I have seen them with up to 12 barrels having been put on the same rifle. (Pre 64) I have Post 64s with third and fourth barrel.
I take remmys to build here and there but I don't shoot them in competition. I have one 7/08 700 I would shoot in slow fire.
For the best of both worlds I found on my post 64 70 targets I replaced the mag follower with a pre 64 follower and it loads just like a pre 64, fast and sure. As in the pre 64 you can almost get six rounds in mag where in the post 64 you can barely get 5. Whoever designed the follower for the new one screwed up.
Wow, you guys don't know how good it makes me feel to know there are a pile of guys out there that realize the Mod 70 is THE RIFLE. Or as Winchester called them "The Riflemans's Rifle".
I have seen them with up to 12 barrels having been put on the same rifle. (Pre 64) I have Post 64s with third and fourth barrel.
I take remmys to build here and there but I don't shoot them in competition. I have one 7/08 700 I would shoot in slow fire.
For the best of both worlds I found on my post 64 70 targets I replaced the mag follower with a pre 64 follower and it loads just like a pre 64, fast and sure. As in the pre 64 you can almost get six rounds in mag where in the post 64 you can barely get 5. Whoever designed the follower for the new one screwed up.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: treebasher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.</div></div>
Mike,
I think that you need to rename your Skunkworks Precision Rifle the...
"Winington"
What do you think??
</div></div>
Not a bad idea. You may be able to tell that I'm a Winchester fan by going to great lengths to morph a Remington into a Winchester. Maybe the "Mutant Ninja Winington."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: treebasher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ttam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as one would gather there are fewer smiths out there who are more specialized with winchster builds. What about barrel swaps? curious cause I do own a m70 243 wssm (last to come out of old factory?) and would like to give it new life </div></div>
I don't think it's the lack of good smiths as much as it's a lack of interest and parts for the M70 action. There are a few departures in accurizing a M70 in comparison to a M700, but it can and does shoot every bit as well and typically shoots better out of the box. I've been a Pre-'64 snob for a while and donor rifles are very hard to find these days. I'd be glad to do some work to a Winchester for a change.</div></div>
Mike,
I think that you need to rename your Skunkworks Precision Rifle the...
"Winington"
What do you think??
</div></div>
Not a bad idea. You may be able to tell that I'm a Winchester fan by going to great lengths to morph a Remington into a Winchester. Maybe the "Mutant Ninja Winington."
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I recently noticed that from the factory, Rem gives a 1.5 MOA guarantee, while Win give a 1 MOA. I know many factors go into accuracy, but Win seems to stand behind theirs just a little more and the action is at least a part of that.
I recently noticed that from the factory, Rem gives a 1.5 MOA guarantee, while Win give a 1 MOA. I know many factors go into accuracy, but Win seems to stand behind theirs just a little more and the action is at least a part of that.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where can you find pre '64 style actions? </div></div>
If you're looking for the Classic version, CDNN was running a special on SA and LA that included your choice of bottom metal and trigger. They are a lot like Costco when it comes to what they buy and when, so it's hard to say that if/when they sell out that they'll be getting more. Typcially, I look for donor rifles that are in decent shape and at a good price....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where can you find pre '64 style actions? </div></div>
If you're looking for the Classic version, CDNN was running a special on SA and LA that included your choice of bottom metal and trigger. They are a lot like Costco when it comes to what they buy and when, so it's hard to say that if/when they sell out that they'll be getting more. Typcially, I look for donor rifles that are in decent shape and at a good price....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where can you find pre '64 style actions? </div></div>
If you're looking for the Classic version, CDNN was running a special on SA and LA that included your choice of bottom metal and trigger. They are a lot like Costco when it comes to what they buy and when, so it's hard to say that if/when they sell out that they'll be getting more. Typcially, I look for donor rifles that are in decent shape and at a good price.... </div></div>
Just a quick scan of gunbroker and it appears that the rifles are not cheap. I wonder if FN sells SPR actions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where can you find pre '64 style actions? </div></div>
If you're looking for the Classic version, CDNN was running a special on SA and LA that included your choice of bottom metal and trigger. They are a lot like Costco when it comes to what they buy and when, so it's hard to say that if/when they sell out that they'll be getting more. Typcially, I look for donor rifles that are in decent shape and at a good price.... </div></div>
Just a quick scan of gunbroker and it appears that the rifles are not cheap. I wonder if FN sells SPR actions?
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left....
That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Call Ken at CDNN and ask if he has any SPR actions available. The PBR's were barreled actions for $499, but the SPR's were just the action, and for about $375 or so last time I checked.
Call Ken at CDNN and ask if he has any SPR actions available. The PBR's were barreled actions for $499, but the SPR's were just the action, and for about $375 or so last time I checked.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I have seen this question come up countless times in many other shooting forums and the M70 will always take a merciless beating from the 'experts'.
+1 for the M70.
SH is cool.
I have seen this question come up countless times in many other shooting forums and the M70 will always take a merciless beating from the 'experts'.
+1 for the M70.
SH is cool.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the LA/WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
Just a point there are no longaction FNs, they are short action magnums.Same length as the short action just a magnum bolt face,magazine box and follower for the WSM family of brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the LA/WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
Just a point there are no longaction FNs, they are short action magnums.Same length as the short action just a magnum bolt face,magazine box and follower for the WSM family of brass.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
My mistake. I edited the post shortly after making it and didn't catch my mistake. I re-edited the post to reflect the correct info. Thanks for calling me on it....
My mistake. I edited the post shortly after making it and didn't catch my mistake. I re-edited the post to reflect the correct info. Thanks for calling me on it....
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Mike, he said he was waiting to here from you and never did. Sorry it is his fault. I do have a nice 30-06 push feed rifle if you are interested give me a PM.
Mike, he said he was waiting to here from you and never did. Sorry it is his fault. I do have a nice 30-06 push feed rifle if you are interested give me a PM.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
It looks like that most of the NIB or nice condition recent Model 70s out there now are the "Classic" Pre-64 style now. I think I'll try to pick one up in .30-06 for 500-600 and use it as a hunting rifle for a while while I gather parts to turn it into a custom.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
It looks like that most of the NIB or nice condition recent Model 70s out there now are the "Classic" Pre-64 style now. I think I'll try to pick one up in .30-06 for 500-600 and use it as a hunting rifle for a while while I gather parts to turn it into a custom.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
It looks like that most of the NIB or nice condition recent Model 70s out there now are the "Classic" Pre-64 style now. I think I'll try to pick one up in .30-06 for 500-600 and use it as a hunting rifle for a while while I gather parts to turn it into a custom. </div></div>
Not a bad idea. I did that with a PBR and actually won a match with it being box stock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's exactly why donor rifles are becoming hard to come by. The SA from CDNN are $349 and the WSM are $399. It may be worth giving them a call to see if they have any left.... </div></div>
It looks like that most of the NIB or nice condition recent Model 70s out there now are the "Classic" Pre-64 style now. I think I'll try to pick one up in .30-06 for 500-600 and use it as a hunting rifle for a while while I gather parts to turn it into a custom. </div></div>
Not a bad idea. I did that with a PBR and actually won a match with it being box stock.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
From the Ed Brown website:
"Since the age of the 1898 Mauser, there has been a demand for the controlled feed action. Winchester has possibly done more than anyone to promote the advantage of the controlled feed design. When hunting dangerous game, where feeding could be a life or death situation, the controlled feed design has become the choice of many professional hunters.
Of course, dangerous game guns have never required a high degree of accuracy. One does not need a half MOA accurate 458 for stopping a charging Buffalo at 15 yards.
Much like reliability has been the realm of the Mauser/Winchester controlled feed action, accuracy has been the forte of the Remington push feed design. One finds the Remington push feed design to be the choice of benchrest shooters worldwide. This is due to the extreme accuracy inherent in the round receiver push feed design.
A Mauser/Winchester type controlled feed long extractor requires the removal of a large portion of the barrel threads where the extractor must go. Removing barrel threads does not provide for the most rigid assembly. This larger receiver cut also removes precious metal inside the receiver which is detrimental to the rigidity, and thus the accuracy of the entire assembly."
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00369.1.030971134011969453
From the Ed Brown website:
"Since the age of the 1898 Mauser, there has been a demand for the controlled feed action. Winchester has possibly done more than anyone to promote the advantage of the controlled feed design. When hunting dangerous game, where feeding could be a life or death situation, the controlled feed design has become the choice of many professional hunters.
Of course, dangerous game guns have never required a high degree of accuracy. One does not need a half MOA accurate 458 for stopping a charging Buffalo at 15 yards.
Much like reliability has been the realm of the Mauser/Winchester controlled feed action, accuracy has been the forte of the Remington push feed design. One finds the Remington push feed design to be the choice of benchrest shooters worldwide. This is due to the extreme accuracy inherent in the round receiver push feed design.
A Mauser/Winchester type controlled feed long extractor requires the removal of a large portion of the barrel threads where the extractor must go. Removing barrel threads does not provide for the most rigid assembly. This larger receiver cut also removes precious metal inside the receiver which is detrimental to the rigidity, and thus the accuracy of the entire assembly."
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00369.1.030971134011969453
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
How do the new "Classic" Pre 64 style actions compare to the originals that were actually made until 1963?
How do the new "Classic" Pre 64 style actions compare to the originals that were actually made until 1963?
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
well I was just talking about this. The winchester actions are fire tighter and smoother tha the remingtons. The remingtons have to much play in the bolts and action. That being said the world is an oyster for remington owners, so much out there.
I have a model 70 7mm rem mag that is solid (only shot it to zero the scope because the rounds are expensive, but solid action)
well I was just talking about this. The winchester actions are fire tighter and smoother tha the remingtons. The remingtons have to much play in the bolts and action. That being said the world is an oyster for remington owners, so much out there.
I have a model 70 7mm rem mag that is solid (only shot it to zero the scope because the rounds are expensive, but solid action)
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
Damn this thread.
Well, I went looking for a new Model 70 Sporter in '06 to use for a bit before using the action for a custom today. They didn't have any, but they did have a few Featherweight Stainless models for just over 600. Even though I wasn't happy with the 22" barrel, I figured the price was right and the stainless action would go well with a custom stainless barrel down the road. But then, I saw a Super Grade. I couldn't resist and I don't think I could ever use something this nice just for the action.
Damn this thread.
Well, I went looking for a new Model 70 Sporter in '06 to use for a bit before using the action for a custom today. They didn't have any, but they did have a few Featherweight Stainless models for just over 600. Even though I wasn't happy with the 22" barrel, I figured the price was right and the stainless action would go well with a custom stainless barrel down the road. But then, I saw a Super Grade. I couldn't resist and I don't think I could ever use something this nice just for the action.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
I have a FNH PBR and love it. It shoots sub-moa consistently and I have never had any zero shift. Very sturdy rifle and i love the positive ejection. I spent $400 on the bbl'd action from CDNN $420 for the A3 stock(internet special), and $205 for the CDI bottom metal. Pretty cheap way to go IMO.
I have a badger bolt knob on it now.
I have a FNH PBR and love it. It shoots sub-moa consistently and I have never had any zero shift. Very sturdy rifle and i love the positive ejection. I spent $400 on the bbl'd action from CDNN $420 for the A3 stock(internet special), and $205 for the CDI bottom metal. Pretty cheap way to go IMO.
I have a badger bolt knob on it now.
Re: Why Remington over Winchester?
The old Ford -Chevy debate. Me I'm Winchester poor !! When you close the bolt on an old pre 64 mod 70 its like closing a bank vault. No need for all the fix and aftermarket parts its already there.No disrespect to Big Green, the mod 700 filled the bill after Marine Corp armorers worked their magic..
The old Ford -Chevy debate. Me I'm Winchester poor !! When you close the bolt on an old pre 64 mod 70 its like closing a bank vault. No need for all the fix and aftermarket parts its already there.No disrespect to Big Green, the mod 700 filled the bill after Marine Corp armorers worked their magic..
