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Why such a stigma with California gun owners??

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I understand that the laws out here are ridiculous but we are still a FREE state. Part of the United States of America. Why do people from other states treat Californians like we are not Americans? Those that choose to not deal with gun owners from Cali are just perpetuating the myth that you will go to jail for selling a hunting rifle to "one of us".

United we stand so stop creating divisions where they need not be.
 
Some of the rest of us had to vote with our feet and move away from oppressive shitholes, so why shouldn't you?
 
Obviously the main reason California gets little respect on this forum is their AWB. Ten round mags, bullet buttons, no bayonet lugs, silly restrictions on pistol grips and stocks, etc. I feel the same disdain for much of New England. Then there's CARB, screwing with regulations on the truck manufacturers, etc. Screwy laws start chipping away at that "free state" status that you claim.
 
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Downzero said:
Some of the rest of us had to vote with our feet and move away from oppressive shitholes, so why shouldn't you?
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Some people really like beautiful weather and a strong state economy. As a matter of fact, some people like strict pollution regulations, and California's economic strength ensures that those regulations will be met.
 
Because California wants the rest of the country to conform to their way? Because we are in the middle of two big overflowing liberal cups of crap (Cali and NYC) and it is spilling on us? Because they use Hollyweird to promote an agenda and call us bigots when we don't agree?
Do you not understand profit margin? If I can sell a gun in Tn. that does not require a lawyer to decipher an almanac of legalities why would I bother with the sale to Cal? Perpetuating a myth? That because a T was not crossed or an I not dotted could cost a blue million in legal fees or a loss of license? Most just assume that they put a high wall around that state to keep any more of it from spilling out and infecting the rest of us. We have decided that there is no cure for the virus and would like to keep it quarantined.
Sucks that you live there. You are outnumbered by the wako cooks and the rest don't give a crap. They are too worried about what is going on with Jay and Kourtney to care or are smoking weed and surfing. Those in command have their Utopia and the rest of you are Peons. If you are far enough away from the water that the salt has not infected your brain and are not one of "Them" get out while you still can.
 
wilwith1l said:
Some people really like beautiful weather and a strong state economy. As a matter of fact, some people like strict pollution regulations, and California's economic strength ensures that those regulations will be met.
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Economic strength? Isn't LA bankrupt? the while state is in bad shape, and the drought is making it worse.
 
Free state? You can't even buy WD40 there. California has regulated itself into bankruptcy. Every product causes cancer. Etc.
 
"WORST-RUN STATES

50. California

> Debt per capita: $3,990 (20th-highest)
> Budget deficit: 27.8% (3rd-largest)
> Unemployment: 10.5% (2nd-highest)
> Median household income: $58,328 (11th-highest)
> Pct. below poverty line: 17.0% (18th-highest)

For the third year in a row, California is the worst-run state in America. California faced a nearly $24 billion in budget shortfall in fiscal 2012, including a mid-year shortfall of $930 million and $8.2 billion carried over from the year before. California carries an A credit rating from Standard & Poor's, and an A1 from Moody's — both worse than any other state except for Illinois. Explaining its rating, Moody's pointed to the state's history of one-time solutions to resolve its budgetary gaps. It also noted the state's "highly volatile revenue structure," due to its over reliance on wealthy taxpayers. The Golden State was also among the worst states in the nation for educational attainment, health coverage, and unemployment."
Best- and worst-run states: Survey of all 50
 
Phil1, I take exception to your post! I'm sure that California has been "the worst run state" for a WHOLE lot more than just three years.
 
it boils down to CA having a lot of gun regulation. on a gun forum, that is BAD. i think CA also represents an opposing political viewpoint to what many on the forum share and support.
 
I left commiefornia in 2009 and I'll never go back. It's a cesspool and is the bastard child of Dianne Feinstein and Motown (Detroit) fuck California. You choose to live there, embrace the consequences of your actions and stop bitching about restrictions and reluctance of people willing to do business with you.
You're one of the major states that proposes the stupidest shit that overflows onto the rest of us; and now a proposed body armor ban? I don't and wouldn't deal with anyone from California.
 
I live in San Diego and everyone's criticisms of California are . . . dead on. These dumb liberal a-holes can't help themselves. The ridiculous gun laws here are a shining example of the wealth of stupidity running the state. When California declares bankruptcy, maybe things will get better, but if things go the way they are, things will get even worse. Maybe I'll move to Tijuana.
 
As far as selling firearms to Ca., the sellers are trying to protect themselves. The perception is that the Ca. government is hiding in the weeds waiting for a "gotcha" moment because some form wasn't signed and initialled in triplicate, on a Friday 13th in the dark of the moon. The perception very well may be incorrect but, for the most part, the sellers are saying "I don't have to worry about it if I'm not selling to Ca."
 
wilwith1l said:
Some people really like beautiful weather and a strong state economy. As a matter of fact, some people like strict pollution regulations, and California's economic strength ensures that those regulations will be met.
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Uhh, no ....

"The California economy collapse continues unabated in 2014. Punish business, grow government; redistribute wealth. In California, as in the country as a whole, the trends are clear, the patterns set, the ending not promising; and unfortunately, a different solution remains elusive. The California downward trend continues unabated."
[h=1]Golden sunset: California economy collapse continues unabated in 2014[/h]
 
I feel that most companies dont want to deal with california due to liability issues. To deal with CA you have to keep up to date with their laws, such as the standard cap rebuild kits when that law changed. its just easier to avoid then have to cater to their demands.
 
One thing CA is really good at, convincing their "useful idiots, aka their voters" that they have a strong economy! Not to mention, they have them [their useful idiots] things are so good in the people republic that businesses are flocking there trying to get in on the good thing. Even on this string one can see the brainwashing of fools has been effective. As the old Nazi Goebbels use to say, if you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one! Those in charge of the workers paradise have taken him to heart.
 
This thread has potential lol.

I pronounce a curse on them every time I fill up the Dixie chopper with the pos gas cans they have forced on everyone.

If you don't understand why the free world hates California then you must be from California.
 
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So true I'm screwed. Educated, hard working talented machinist-fabricator underpaid. Fighting the fight 16 hours a day. 7 days. Trapped... I have toys that don't see daylight. Why people keep moving here, blows my mind. But I was born here I've watched it happened. Pharmaceutical companies are brain washing those politicians.
Luckily there's a few good men on the forms who will ship. But for not much longer. I hope to get out soon with my family intact. I like to hear success stories of the lucky few who got out. I hope my rage didn't effect my grammar.
 
California has the eighth largest economy in the world. They have a GDP of over $2,000,000,000,000.

No offense, but I'm not familiar with "halfwaytoconcord".
 
pawprint2 said:
One thing CA is really good at, convincing their "useful idiots, aka their voters" that they have a strong economy! Not to mention, they have them [their useful idiots] things are so good in the people republic that businesses are flocking there trying to get in on the good thing. Even on this string one can see the brainwashing of fools has been effective. As the old Nazi Goebbels use to say, if you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one! Those in charge of the workers paradise have taken him to heart.
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California does have a strong economy. The strongest in the U.S.

Their GDP ranks with the Top 10 countries in the world*. Take a look at the Companies headquartered in California. Palo Alto company presence alone is ridiculous.

*Source
 
One thing you are all forgetting is that WE are the voice of the people. Because the people that run my state have their heads up their A## why should you treat your fellow Americans like they are the problem. We are the solution. I was born here. My family lives here. My work is almost solely based here in "Hollywood". I guess I could move to the sticks and work in a Dennys but I like my life so no thanks. Why no love from the other states? Why do you treat Californians like a separate entity? By people from other states over embellishing the restrictions in California and then blaming the individual citizens for the acts of a few you are only creating more disdain among your fellow Americans. And if I am responsible for my state then who is responsible for our senate running a muck and acting like babies? Still California's fault? Maybe its my fault for working and paying taxes like everyone else?
 
Hating Californians because of our crappy backwards laws is just as justified as the rest of the world hating us Americans because our Gov did this thing or that thing unjustly. Or just hating us because all we do is over eat and get fat on hamburgers. If you perpetuate the problem by choosing to join the peanut gallery in spreading false information and hatred then you will forever be blind to the solution.
 
You might as well be on the titanic with it's stern pointing strait up yelling at the people in life rafts that it will be OK. Look at who's flooding into your state and who's leaving. As far as blaming CA for problems in other states like you alluded to, well people in states like CO and MT and other states with a lot of CA expats might agree.
 
wilwith1l said:
California does have a strong economy. The strongest in the U.S.

Their GDP ranks with the Top 10 countries in the world*. Take a look at the Companies headquartered in California. Palo Alto company presence alone is ridiculous.

*Source
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And with all that money they still can't manage to run in the black
 
You asked a question you already knew the answer to, and then are shocked we hold Californians responsible for California's policies. You claim you are the solution because you, how did you put it, won't "move to the sticks and work at Denny's." I guess that's what us non-Californians must be doing. You say you " like your life so no thanks" but get on a gun forum and cry like a whiny bitch that people dont want to do business with the citizens of a place that make it their mission to regulate every point of our existence. In other words, you want your cake and to eat it too, and you want us to like it. How very California of you.

By all means continue, we are almost convinced.
 
nesikabay said:
And I will bet your a dick sucker also. Keep your weather and you economy. It seems to be working for YA. Keep up the good work. And while im here change you name please to Will with one in me
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*you're

*I'm

Sigh...smh...
 
I read that Mexico has more billionaires than any other country in the world.Russia has lots of big, bad free enterprise corporatists. The only thing America has to offer- or did-Is liberty, and CA leads the nation in destroying that.
 
hessian said:
I read that Mexico has more billionaires than any other country in the world.Russia has lots of big, bad free enterprise corporatists. The only thing America has to offer- or did-Is liberty, and CA leads the nation in destroying that.
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You are now the KING OF THE WORLD
 
With respect I would offer that quoting a wiki doc to describe CA macro economic problems is not directionally accurate. Much of CA's spending, and related service industries, is built on CA's massive debt. The only options for CA's union/special interest/victim leaning economy is either a slow motion Detriot style of crash and burn(most likley) or a maturation of the political power class( and much like France/Spain/Portugal this is not of significant probability).

Looking at those businesses headquartered in the Bay Area or LA basin is also misleading. Most mature companies have a small senior group in the headquarter with more and more of the workforce being grown outside of CA or the US. While its not uncommon to find examples of companies that house much of their workforce in CA those are generally newer companies. Generally speaking, as companies mature, incur greater costs from competition/regulation they move towards a lower cost structure. Given the loaded headcount cost per FTE in CA that becomes a prohibitive weight to bear.

Again, if you want to see the direction CA is going look at Detriot.

There are a lot of great people in CA and I consider many of my friends in that group. However we are all very aware this can be a great place to make a living(depending on your skill set) and a horrible place to live. That does not make us so stupid that we are catagorized as relatives of Hillary Clinton. Rather, we are following the money until we are in a position to leave CA.

wilwith1l said:
California does have a strong economy. The strongest in the U.S.

Their GDP ranks with the Top 10 countries in the world*. Take a look at the Companies headquartered in California. Palo Alto company presence alone is ridiculous.

*Source
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Poly said:
One thing you are all forgetting is that WE are the voice of the people. Because the people that run my state have their heads up their A## why should you treat your fellow Americans like they are the problem. We are the solution. I was born here. My family lives here. My work is almost solely based here in "Hollywood". I guess I could move to the sticks and work in a Dennys but I like my life so no thanks. Why no love from the other states? Why do you treat Californians like a separate entity? By people from other states over embellishing the restrictions in California and then blaming the individual citizens for the acts of a few you are only creating more disdain among your fellow Americans. And if I am responsible for my state then who is responsible for our senate running a muck and acting like babies? Still California's fault? Maybe its my fault for working and paying taxes like everyone else?
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Unless, CA is already at the point where they can force you to live, work, and pay taxes there, you are complicit by financing a state government who thinks that freedom and rights are only for politicians and their cronies. If you disagree with that notion, you need to vote with your wallet and your feet while you still can.

The less people like you try to arrange themselves with the socialist's dystopia in CA and the more moochers burden the system, the sooner the insanity of the underlying ideology will become obvious in the inevitable collapse. Maybe that leads the rest of the USA to waking up to the fact that there is no such thing like "next time we get it right" for these social experiments. They are just another Ponzy scheme where many suckers fall for empty promises to allow a self appointed elite to skim off the cream.
 
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nesikabay said:
What do you expect from a guy from Texas..We don't worrie about spelling I know I spelt worrie wrong. Cali. SUX oooo so soory I cant spell or write. But I have a good job and nice gun laws
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Being from Texas myself, I fail to see what that has to do with someone's ability to spell...
 
President Regan once said "You know, I can't help but notice that all the pro abortion folks have already been born."

Seems to be the same here. The people who bitch and complain the most about California, aren't even in California or do anything to make the situation better. Generally, from what I have seen, they just make it worse.

It's always easy to sit in the cheap seats and make comments. Always has been, always will.
 
Rhyno said:
I've never been to jail either, but I'm pretty sure it's a shitty place.
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LOL! I've been to Nebraska, and that is a shitty place. :) Although, I do think Arkansas is worse...
 
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nesikabay said:
And I will bet your a dick sucker also. Keep your weather and you economy. It seems to be working for YA. Keep up the good work. And while im here change you name please to Will with one in me
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Damn, we're down to personal attacks now? Well, that is a refreshing sign of intelligence. However, you were factually incorrect in your homophobic comments. Additionally, I am not from California, and if I were residing in California, I would leave. Furthermore, I apologize in advance for the big words, but I stand my ground on their nice weather.

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Maser said:
I love how the majority of people who are down on CA have never even been here to begin with.
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I have been to CA many times, I like some parts of the countryside but no way in hell is one single dollar of my state income taxes financing this progressive (as in political left) nanny state insanity. Made the same decision about MA and NYC. However wants to sell his soul to making a "great living" in these places, go ahead, but do not bitch if you find out that this does not equate to having a "great life".
 
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I've been to California and it's beautiful. The only thing wrong with it is its full of Californians.
 
KUSA said:
I've been to California and it's beautiful. The only thing wrong with it is its full of Californians.
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Actually, this time of year, it full of frigging tourists (some from North Carolina, but mostly from other shithole weather states like Nevada and Arizona), who don't know how to frigging drive!
 
KUSA said:
I've been to California and it's beautiful. The only thing wrong with it is its full of Californians.
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Actually, this time of year, it full of frigging tourists (some from North Carolina, but mostly from other shithole weather states like Nevada and Arizona), who don't know how to frigging drive!
 
Born and raised in OC, CA. CA has sold people on the idea of 'easy living'. 100K+ office jobs, high-end cars, beautiful people, big house, more toys than you know what to do with, etc. As the story goes though, that is few and far in between, and usually you have to work so much that you don't get much 'free-time' to enjoy the 'good stuff'. I see it all the time, families making well over 100K, and yet these people are 'struggling'... I turn my head, and laugh.
 
I have had several issue with vendors not wanting to ship to CA and the main complaint is usually "paperwork" which consists of one extra form and takes the FFL holder all of 3 minutes to fill it out but if they don't want the sale then that's on them and I take my business elsewhere. I retired from the mil and live here because I am going back to school for my doctorate and my wife owns her own business so walking away from such a large income is not worth being able to use a 30 round mag over the 10 round mags that I have. Regardless of what you may think of CA, the state has direct influence on your state whether you like it or not. CA holds the most seats in the U.S. House by a long shot and CA has almost double the electoral votes of any other state.

Depending upon what stats you review, as many as 30 percent of Californians are gun owners. That equates to some 11.5 million gun owners in this state which is more than the entire populations of most states as only 6 other states have entire state populations that large or larger. Its not that the economy is bad, its just mismanaged by corrupt politicians. You would think that 11.5 million gun owners would be supported outside of the state but that's just not the case. That's why I had to laugh when some folks from CO came on the forums asking "everyone" to contact congress and support CO in the last round of gun controls, as other state gun owners left CA hanging when CA needed help or want to make an out-of-state purchase then they want Californians to join in protecting their rights but it can't be a one-way relationship. That's just what the anti folks are hoping for, divide and conquer.
 
wilwith1l said:
Some people really like beautiful weather and a strong state economy. As a matter of fact, some people like strict pollution regulations, and California's economic strength ensures that those regulations will be met.
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Reads like something you would see on a teleprompter.
 
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