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workout with knee injury?

huntinggamo

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so as a member of the military and a long range shooter i am at a loss for a good workout...

I was recently in a motorcycle accident that left me with a fully torn acl, sprained mcl and to compaction fractures to my knee. im supposed to have surgery in jan/feb time frame.

My question is what kind of work out can i still do that will help with long range shooting and when i heal up with my 3 gun and general endurance...ect, or more specifically if you could not use your knee for several months (running for example is out of the question) what exerciser plan would you recommend?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bmt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I tore my ACL is used a rowing machine, swam, and lifted weights on MACHINES (no load bearing on the knees).

GET YOUR DOCTOR'S APPROVAL FIRST!

The get a good brace and go forth.

BMT </div></div>

Excactly, get the recomondation from whom you found out your knee was damaged.

Also your going to get some physical therapy somewhere, make a decision who and ask them.

The stronger you are going into the surgery the better you will recover.

It is surprising just how fast muscles deteriorate.
 
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A good knee brace has worked for me. My left knee makes so much noise other people can hear it. I had a brace made and it works.
 
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Definitely ask your doc, if your doc isn't the easy-to-reach type, a physical therapist that specializes in knee injuries & rehab can help you along. I have had some PT's really do my wrong, but some definitely know their body mechanics.
 
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Ya ask your Doc for sure. When I tore the happy trio (ACL, MCL, Meniscus), I basically did the PT prescribed by the doc for pre surgery and post and than I still lifted a ton of upper body. I figured better to keep lifting and at least keep the upper body in shape until I could get the legs back into play. YMMV
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huntinggamo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so as a member of the military and a long range shooter i am at a loss for a good workout...

I was recently in a motorcycle accident that left me with a fully torn acl, sprained mcl and to compaction fractures to my knee. im supposed to have surgery in jan/feb time frame.

My question is what kind of work out can i still do that will help with long range shooting and when i heal up with my 3 gun and general endurance...ect, or more specifically if you could not use your knee for several months (running for example is out of the question) what exerciser plan would you recommend? </div></div>

I have had a life long battle with genetically inherited knee traumas exacerbated by my inability to accept limitations. This has resulted in a number of surgeries, and a number of serious and extremely painful knee injuries.

The first time around I went to two different doctors and a PT group and they all had me doing these muscle isolation exercises leg extensions leg press etc. You want to go really easy on it until the tendons heal. Fishoil and Glucosamine aren't a bad idea.

This may be good for the initial tendon recovery, but I personally believe that the best longterm care for my knees has been embracing the squat. It's critical that you learn it correctly, but it's your knees best friend as far as I'm concerned.

Here for instance: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/squats-how-safe-is-it-to-perform-a-squat-exercise-319

Don't be surprised to find professionals telling you it's bad despite the contrary evidence with documentation.

Definitely read the entire article and follow up on the sources for yourself don't take my word for it.

TL;DR

1. Initially, squat only to the point at which the tops of your thighs are parallel with the floor. Over time, as your strength and coordination improve and you remain injury-free, you can increase the depth of your squats. As squatting depth increases, quadriceps-muscle activation also increases, and thus expanding the depth of squatting should be associated with augmented gains in quad strength. To be fair, though, we should mention that few sports (except for weightlifting) actually require you to perform from a deep-squat position. Since gains in strength are partially a neural phenomenon, utilization of very deep squats may have a smaller than expected effect on your leg strength during your sporting activity (i.e., your nervous system may improve its ability to organize muscular force production during deep squatting, but this organizing will never come into play during competition, where deep squats are rare).

2. Don't squat when you are fatigued, and try to avoid training to failure when you are squatting. If you are exhausted, you may lose control of the squat, and - if you are utilizing a loaded barbell - you may end up twisting a knee, increasing your risk of knee-cartilage damage.

3. For two-legged squats, use a shoulder-width foot stance.

4. Always descend and ascend in a controlled and coordinated manner; don't jerk or rock back and forth. Avoid twisting movements in the bottom position.

5. Back pain and knee pain are indicators that you are progressing too fast with your squat training. If either type of pain occurs, you should rest until the pain disappears and then decrease your resistance and the number of squat repetitions you are completing.
 
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i recommend chin ups, pushups (as long as pain free), situps, any low impact exercises such as swimming, cycling and rowing. Free weights are good, but maybe refrain from or train very lightly on legs. Definitely avoid any impact such as running, skipping, nearly all plyometrics and if anything causes pain or discomfort avoid it as it is simply not worth agravating such a serious injury. good luck, i know the feeling of a busted ACL and i believe it is important keep active and keep the endorphins flowing but not at the risk of the healing process.
 
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You can start by getting off this computer and running a lap
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I have chondromalacia and one of my friends suggested getting a pair of Vibram Five Fingers to run in. I've had them for about three weeks now and I can run everyday now if I feel like it, before I wasn't able to run even just a little bit two days in a row. I know they've been mentioned here on the hide before and I'd like to add my endorsement of them!
 
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hey Bigmerv i am just curious to know how the vibram helped so quickly and how you utilised it, i have had a troublesome knee for years, i do not know if i suffer from chondromalacia or what that is but running in particular has been most bothersome for me and if the vibram five finger can help i would give it a go. Cheers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... but I personally believe that the best longterm care for my knees has been embracing the squat. It's critical that you learn it correctly, but it's your knees best friend as far as I'm concerned.</div></div>
I don't believe that truer words were ever spoken (or typed in this case).

Just over a year ago, I was a recipient of the consequences of a jackass driver while I was piloting a motorcycle. My "happy trio" consisted of a torn (and replaced) ACL, LCL & PCL, with a torn meniscus for good measure.

After plenty of hard work doing the most simple shit, I'm finally back in the gym trying to put some of the muscle back on. I just met with the orthopedic doctor a couple of weeks ago, and he said basically "go forth and strengthen your knee." For my money, nothing is going to get me back to where I was like some good 'ole back squats. Bar in good position, back straight, big chest, all the way down in the basement squats.

Am I doing the same weight I was 18 months ago? Obviously not. It's a lot of reps of 135 to make sure that I'm building on good form and not picking up bad habits (i.e. favoring my right knee and not driving straight up).

A lot of my success recently has come from my new mental state. For awhile I was discouraged and pissed that this had happened to me. BooHoo, right? Everyone has their trials, this just happens to be one of ours. Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off of your goal.

I am not prepared to accept having a bum knee for the rest of my life, and I hope you are not either. It will take some time, but I think you can come back from this. If you have any specific questions or there is anything you think I can help with, shoot me a PM (I'm on here all the time). Good luck Brother.

J-Ham
 
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J-ham
Few take ownership of their injuries like U have done
Thus they do not achieve your degree of recovery
it is what U alone do-- not what you do 3 hrs a week with a therapist...

congrats
 
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Best of luck with your rehab. As a physician, my advise is this; don't settle for less than a full recovery, and keep searching until you find what works for your individual case. IE there is no silver bullet. General advise, most of what has been posted here, is well intentioned, but often misguided. What worked well for one person will not necessarily work well for another, even though they each recieved a similar/same diagnosis. Your doc should be able to direct you to a post op therapist for high level athletes. Also, be sure to properly fulfill the nutritional demands for properly rebuilding that knee. I often RX a product from Standard Process called Ligaplex II with excellent results. Best of luck!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cmarz01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't settle for less than a full recovery... there is no silver bullet.</div></div>
Listen to this guy!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... but I personally believe that the best longterm care for my knees has been embracing the squat. It's critical that you learn it correctly, but it's your knees best friend as far as I'm concerned.</div></div>

I am not prepared to accept having a bum knee for the rest of my life, and I hope you are not either. It will take some time, but I think you can come back from this. If you have any specific questions or there is anything you think I can help with, shoot me a PM (I'm on here all the time). Good luck Brother.

J-Ham </div></div>

Thanks man! It's been a struggle, but once I learned how to maintain propper form and have gotten at it it didn't take to long before I hit bodyweight. I'm approaching 1.5x bodyweight pretty quickly. Once that happens I'll probably split off for a couple months of front squats and switch programs, but I'll definitely be squatting until I die.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I'll definitely be squatting until I die.</div></div>
Usually around rep #8, I start thinking that might be sooner rather than later
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Squat 'till you die, brothers!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I'll definitely be squatting until I die.</div></div>
Usually around rep #8, I start thinking that might be sooner rather than later
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Squat 'till you die, brothers! </div></div>

haha I know that feeling. I watched an interview with Kai Green where he's squatting like 800 lbs or something and he pushed so hard his eyes bled.

I don't think that's going to happen to me, but sometimes I feel like I can understand how that would happen.