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Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. .223 rifle used
Anti's will of course jump on it, but we all know no law in the world will stop things like this
Anti's will of course jump on it, but we all know no law in the world will stop things like this
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. .223 rifle used
News I just heard is that he got called in for steeling from the beer company he worked at and was up for disciplinary actions. Apparently that made him made he got caught. Prayers to the families.
News I just heard is that he got called in for steeling from the beer company he worked at and was up for disciplinary actions. Apparently that made him made he got caught. Prayers to the families.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. .223 rifle used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We already have an AWB here in CT. </div></div>
So , hows that working out ??
30 years ago I could walk down the street , wait for the school bus , get on , get to school , walk down the hall , all the time holding a Browning Superposed and 4 boxes of ammo for trap club . Not to mention the Buck 110 on my belt .
Prayers out to the victims and all who will suffer from this tragic asshatery .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We already have an AWB here in CT. </div></div>
So , hows that working out ??
30 years ago I could walk down the street , wait for the school bus , get on , get to school , walk down the hall , all the time holding a Browning Superposed and 4 boxes of ammo for trap club . Not to mention the Buck 110 on my belt .
Prayers out to the victims and all who will suffer from this tragic asshatery .
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. .223 rifle used
been watching on the news just waiting for the anti-gun nuts to come on now.
keep the dead in our prayers.
been watching on the news just waiting for the anti-gun nuts to come on now.
keep the dead in our prayers.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. .223 rifle used
I read the Hartford Courant story on this and see no mention of anything other than a handgun used by the shooter.
http://tinyurl.com/2arf5ql
From page one,
MANCHESTER, Conn. — — Nine people are dead in a workplace shooting at a family-owned beer and wine wholesaler, police said.
Sources said Omar S. Thornton, 34, was a driver for Hartford Distributors and was described by a Teamsters Union official as a recent hire and a "disciplinary problem."
"The union was bringing him in to meet with the company to remedy the problem," said John Hollis, a Teamsters official. "He started shooting."
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Thornton shot a number of people and then shot himself with a handgun as police approached and is dead</span>, sources said. Two people were found dead outside the building and five were found dead inside, police sources said.
I read the Hartford Courant story on this and see no mention of anything other than a handgun used by the shooter.
http://tinyurl.com/2arf5ql
From page one,
MANCHESTER, Conn. — — Nine people are dead in a workplace shooting at a family-owned beer and wine wholesaler, police said.
Sources said Omar S. Thornton, 34, was a driver for Hartford Distributors and was described by a Teamsters Union official as a recent hire and a "disciplinary problem."
"The union was bringing him in to meet with the company to remedy the problem," said John Hollis, a Teamsters official. "He started shooting."
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Thornton shot a number of people and then shot himself with a handgun as police approached and is dead</span>, sources said. Two people were found dead outside the building and five were found dead inside, police sources said.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
Yup all I am seeing is handgun also. Supposedly he was being escorted to his car when he started firing so I don't see how he could have had a semi auto rifle hidden.
Yup all I am seeing is handgun also. Supposedly he was being escorted to his car when he started firing so I don't see how he could have had a semi auto rifle hidden.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup all I am seeing is handgun also. Supposedly he was being escorted to his car when he started firing so I don't see how he could have had a semi auto rifle hidden. </div></div>
It's already been established that CT has an AWB, so he wouldn't have been able to have one of those anyways....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup all I am seeing is handgun also. Supposedly he was being escorted to his car when he started firing so I don't see how he could have had a semi auto rifle hidden. </div></div>
It's already been established that CT has an AWB, so he wouldn't have been able to have one of those anyways....
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
That's right they do have an AWB -
So of course the media is going to push for a ban.
Now a ban this early would mean certain de ath for politicians but wait till after November- that would be teh "Best" time for the politicians to implement one..
The shooting in Indianapolis was apparantly an assault rifle..?
That's right they do have an AWB -
So of course the media is going to push for a ban.
Now a ban this early would mean certain de ath for politicians but wait till after November- that would be teh "Best" time for the politicians to implement one..
The shooting in Indianapolis was apparantly an assault rifle..?
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
News this morning states:
Handgun
Individual was caught stealing beer on video and was in the process of getting fired after being showed the video
All victims were white
Family states racist messages on his cell phone yet cannot produce anything
Union states zero complaints of racism directed toward the individual
Company HR states no racism directed toward the individual
While this is never a good thing, individuals who cannot control themselves and snap are not a gun problem, but a psychological issue. Maybe all companies should give pre counseling to thieving assholes and insure they will be of stable mind before they get fired now. If it saves just one person...
Had to laugh at this though:
My son(the middle one, heading to STEM[highly gifted student academy]) states: One more individual living the stereotype. He stole from the company, was caught on video, denyed it, then got mad and called racism
News this morning states:
Handgun
Individual was caught stealing beer on video and was in the process of getting fired after being showed the video
All victims were white
Family states racist messages on his cell phone yet cannot produce anything
Union states zero complaints of racism directed toward the individual
Company HR states no racism directed toward the individual
While this is never a good thing, individuals who cannot control themselves and snap are not a gun problem, but a psychological issue. Maybe all companies should give pre counseling to thieving assholes and insure they will be of stable mind before they get fired now. If it saves just one person...
Had to laugh at this though:
My son(the middle one, heading to STEM[highly gifted student academy]) states: One more individual living the stereotype. He stole from the company, was caught on video, denyed it, then got mad and called racism
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
No pistol permit: 2 week wait for even bolt action long guns.
Or pay the state for a hunting license, that you cant use with a centerfire rifle unless you shell out another $70 for a private land permit and ensuing legalities/rigamorole.
No pistol permit: 2 week wait for even bolt action long guns.
Or pay the state for a hunting license, that you cant use with a centerfire rifle unless you shell out another $70 for a private land permit and ensuing legalities/rigamorole.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JRose, we can't have bayonet lugs </div></div>
ROFL... Guess there was a rash of drive by bayonetings....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JRose, we can't have bayonet lugs </div></div>
ROFL... Guess there was a rash of drive by bayonetings....
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
My argument that the M4 buttstock would be "extendable" instead of "collapsible" also did not fly...
My argument that the M4 buttstock would be "extendable" instead of "collapsible" also did not fly...
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
I wonder if Hartford Distributors forbid their employees from carrying concealed.
I wonder if Hartford Distributors forbid their employees from carrying concealed.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Had to laugh at this though:
My son(the middle one, heading to STEM[highly gifted student academy]) states: One more individual living the stereotype. He stole from the company, was caught on video, denyed it, then got mad and called racism</div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Had to laugh at this though:
My son(the middle one, heading to STEM[highly gifted student academy]) states: One more individual living the stereotype. He stole from the company, was caught on video, denyed it, then got mad and called racism</div></div>
+1
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
I'm sure this will fuel another stupid ban or law........until they can think of a law to ban crazy, its not the solution.
Kelly
I'm sure this will fuel another stupid ban or law........until they can think of a law to ban crazy, its not the solution.
Kelly
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
Not sure where the Investigators are, NEWS says 2 handguns retrieved fron a lunch box,,one NEWS/Entertainment show mentioned one may have been stashed...more to come i'm sure..
Not sure where the Investigators are, NEWS says 2 handguns retrieved fron a lunch box,,one NEWS/Entertainment show mentioned one may have been stashed...more to come i'm sure..
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
I'm seeing a lot that says this guy may have had a LEGITIMATE complaint that SHOULD have been filed and addressed- there may be photographic evidence of extreme racism against this guy..
I'm not saying that makes it right in shooting the people but he told his mother he killed all of those that made comments.
There is no place for racism, it's about as primitive and stupid as human beings can get, WTF, why should one's skin color matter.
Silly humans...
I'm seeing a lot that says this guy may have had a LEGITIMATE complaint that SHOULD have been filed and addressed- there may be photographic evidence of extreme racism against this guy..
I'm not saying that makes it right in shooting the people but he told his mother he killed all of those that made comments.
There is no place for racism, it's about as primitive and stupid as human beings can get, WTF, why should one's skin color matter.
Silly humans...
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
Racism is based mostly in ignorance. The rest of it is based in stupidity. We spend a lot of time educating the ignorant who usually become good humans, the stupid though, we may as well shoot them becuse you can't cure stupid.
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle
Racism is based mostly in ignorance. The rest of it is based in stupidity. We spend a lot of time educating the ignorant who usually become good humans, the stupid though, we may as well shoot them becuse you can't cure stupid.
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
IMHO Racism is based on the morphing, expansion, and intolerance of stereotypes found with in the subset. The underlying stereo types are largely true and correct.
Good luck
IMHO Racism is based on the morphing, expansion, and intolerance of stereotypes found with in the subset. The underlying stereo types are largely true and correct.
Good luck
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
Most of us have in the past worked in these environments,, High Salaried, Grey Collar Jobs,,combine a decent pay check,a diverse, well mostly Males between 20 and 25 yrs old, work force, plus the testerone,,act now think later,,you end up with a pretty volatile mix,,God bless anyone who is a manager here,,almost like being in Junior High....
Most of us have in the past worked in these environments,, High Salaried, Grey Collar Jobs,,combine a decent pay check,a diverse, well mostly Males between 20 and 25 yrs old, work force, plus the testerone,,act now think later,,you end up with a pretty volatile mix,,God bless anyone who is a manager here,,almost like being in Junior High....
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle </div></div>
This isn't to contradict and certainly not to mitigate the murders this man committed, but rather throw in a new possibility.
Not all theft is profit motivated. It can sometimes be a means an individual chooses to get back at the people who've been hassling him.
In this case, if there was racism, he may have felt that if he raised his concern he might have been fired. He could have stolen as a means of 'punishing' his employers for allowing the racism to continue. Perhaps, in his mind, the fact that he got busted meant he was being punished by people he felt were the ones at fault and this 'injustice' made him snap. I'm NOT saying that's what happened, just saying that theft can sometimes be a symptom rather than an objective.
In general I find that if you try to apply logic in explaining human behavior you get nowhere fast...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle </div></div>
This isn't to contradict and certainly not to mitigate the murders this man committed, but rather throw in a new possibility.
Not all theft is profit motivated. It can sometimes be a means an individual chooses to get back at the people who've been hassling him.
In this case, if there was racism, he may have felt that if he raised his concern he might have been fired. He could have stolen as a means of 'punishing' his employers for allowing the racism to continue. Perhaps, in his mind, the fact that he got busted meant he was being punished by people he felt were the ones at fault and this 'injustice' made him snap. I'm NOT saying that's what happened, just saying that theft can sometimes be a symptom rather than an objective.
In general I find that if you try to apply logic in explaining human behavior you get nowhere fast...
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I think most people operate out of a pretty strong internal logic.
It's just often different than what we might call "rational" or "sensible."
I think most people operate out of a pretty strong internal logic.
It's just often different than what we might call "rational" or "sensible."
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I forgot about the collapsible stocks.
Nope. No drive by bayonettings since the AWB went into effect. But I don't remember any before that either
</div></div>
Actually,in the official "definition of an assault weapon", there is no mention of "collapsible" stocks. The actual wording is "folding or telescoping". It seems to me that a Magpul UBR does neither. Maybe I pinned mine for nothing!
As far as the shooting goes, I really hope he did not own that handgun legally. Illegal firearms are one thing, but we really don't need any more restrictions on legal gun ownership here in Ct. That's just the kind of "cause" some liberal politician would take up to build a campaign around, and the timing couldn't be better (or worse).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I forgot about the collapsible stocks.
Nope. No drive by bayonettings since the AWB went into effect. But I don't remember any before that either
Actually,in the official "definition of an assault weapon", there is no mention of "collapsible" stocks. The actual wording is "folding or telescoping". It seems to me that a Magpul UBR does neither. Maybe I pinned mine for nothing!
As far as the shooting goes, I really hope he did not own that handgun legally. Illegal firearms are one thing, but we really don't need any more restrictions on legal gun ownership here in Ct. That's just the kind of "cause" some liberal politician would take up to build a campaign around, and the timing couldn't be better (or worse).
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if Hartford Distributors forbid their employees from carrying concealed.
</div></div>
It seems maybe they should have required it. Had there been a few armed and basically trained co-workers, some of the victims could still be alive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if Hartford Distributors forbid their employees from carrying concealed.
</div></div>
It seems maybe they should have required it. Had there been a few armed and basically trained co-workers, some of the victims could still be alive.
Re: Workplace shooting. 9 dead. HANDGUN used
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle </div></div>
This isn't to contradict and certainly not to mitigate the murders this man committed, but rather throw in a new possibility.
Not all theft is profit motivated. It can sometimes be a means an individual chooses to get back at the people who've been hassling him.
In this case, if there was racism, he may have felt that if he raised his concern he might have been fired. He could have stolen as a means of 'punishing' his employers for allowing the racism to continue. Perhaps, in his mind, the fact that he got busted meant he was being punished by people he felt were the ones at fault and this 'injustice' made him snap. I'm NOT saying that's what happened, just saying that theft can sometimes be a symptom rather than an objective.
In general I find that if you try to apply logic in explaining human behavior you get nowhere fast...</div></div>
If there was racism then he should have been compensated...through a lawsuit. If the racism was as blatant as the people are saying, he could have gotten taped evidence and a lawyer. He would have received a large payoff but now he is dead. Human behavior that cannot be explained by logic or belief, is insanity.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think this particular case may reveal a lot of dirt that should have been dealt with, but the fact remains that the guy stole from the company he worked for which still makes him a Grade B Douche Nozzle </div></div>
This isn't to contradict and certainly not to mitigate the murders this man committed, but rather throw in a new possibility.
Not all theft is profit motivated. It can sometimes be a means an individual chooses to get back at the people who've been hassling him.
In this case, if there was racism, he may have felt that if he raised his concern he might have been fired. He could have stolen as a means of 'punishing' his employers for allowing the racism to continue. Perhaps, in his mind, the fact that he got busted meant he was being punished by people he felt were the ones at fault and this 'injustice' made him snap. I'm NOT saying that's what happened, just saying that theft can sometimes be a symptom rather than an objective.
In general I find that if you try to apply logic in explaining human behavior you get nowhere fast...</div></div>
If there was racism then he should have been compensated...through a lawsuit. If the racism was as blatant as the people are saying, he could have gotten taped evidence and a lawyer. He would have received a large payoff but now he is dead. Human behavior that cannot be explained by logic or belief, is insanity.
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