Was wandering if anyone has used them. I saw them at the nra show, btu dident get to see one in person. They are titainum, and price was comperable to any other custom action.
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They are really nice. Obviously lighter than other receivers. Tom does an excellent job of machining the Titanium and the over all fit looks great. You would be pleased.
Mark
They are really nice. Obviously lighter than other receivers. Tom does an excellent job of machining the Titanium and the over all fit looks great. You would be pleased.
Mark
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Tom is a great guy, and is turning out some great actions. I have seen several, but I don't have a picture. The website shows them.
Rob
Tom is a great guy, and is turning out some great actions. I have seen several, but I don't have a picture. The website shows them.
Rob
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I trust Marks opinion - it is one that comes fom real world experience.
However, a few thoughs on titanium:
I love Ti, it is an amazing material, but not without its own issues. While it is about 2/3 the weight of steel, it is also only 2/3 the stiffness. The strongest alloys of Ti (like 6AL4V) are stronger than weak and moderate alloys of steel, but strong alloys of steel are far, far stronger than Ti. Consider that Allvac C350 steel has a UTS of 350ksi! Amazing!
Another point is that Ti tends to gall when it is rubbed against things with force. I'd be curious to hear Marks experience with the lug abutment surfaces and the locking lugs on the bolt. I would *expect* them to tend to gall. The C6 Z06 corvette uses Ti connecting rods and GM had a helluva time getting them to be reliable, as the big ends would gall as they rubbed together - and that is a well oiled joint with fairly low relative motion and force. At GM Racing, first thing we'd do was ditch those rods for steel Carillo ones.
Not trying to dis Titanium - just pointing out its Achilles heels.
I trust Marks opinion - it is one that comes fom real world experience.
However, a few thoughs on titanium:
I love Ti, it is an amazing material, but not without its own issues. While it is about 2/3 the weight of steel, it is also only 2/3 the stiffness. The strongest alloys of Ti (like 6AL4V) are stronger than weak and moderate alloys of steel, but strong alloys of steel are far, far stronger than Ti. Consider that Allvac C350 steel has a UTS of 350ksi! Amazing!
Another point is that Ti tends to gall when it is rubbed against things with force. I'd be curious to hear Marks experience with the lug abutment surfaces and the locking lugs on the bolt. I would *expect* them to tend to gall. The C6 Z06 corvette uses Ti connecting rods and GM had a helluva time getting them to be reliable, as the big ends would gall as they rubbed together - and that is a well oiled joint with fairly low relative motion and force. At GM Racing, first thing we'd do was ditch those rods for steel Carillo ones.
Not trying to dis Titanium - just pointing out its Achilles heels.
Re: X-Treme shooting products, Ti recivers ?
John Pierce is starting to build Ti actions now also. $1335.00
http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/category/actions/product/new-titanium-action
John Pierce is starting to build Ti actions now also. $1335.00
http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/category/actions/product/new-titanium-action
Re: X-Treme shooting products, Ti recivers ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I trust Marks opinion - it is one that comes fom real world experience.
However, a few thoughs on titanium:
I love Ti, it is an amazing material, but not without its own issues. While it is about 2/3 the weight of steel, it is also only 2/3 the stiffness. The strongest alloys of Ti (like 6AL4V) are stronger than weak and moderate alloys of steel, but strong alloys of steel are far, far stronger than Ti. Consider that Allvac C350 steel has a UTS of 350ksi! Amazing!
Another point is that Ti tends to gall when it is rubbed against things with force. I'd be curious to hear Marks experience with the lug abutment surfaces and the locking lugs on the bolt. I would *expect* them to tend to gall. The C6 Z06 corvette uses Ti connecting rods and GM had a helluva time getting them to be reliable, as the big ends would gall as they rubbed together - and that is a well oiled joint with fairly low relative motion and force. At GM Racing, first thing we'd do was ditch those rods for steel Carillo ones.
Not trying to dis Titanium - just pointing out its Achilles heels. </div></div>
The good news is a wristpin moves as much in 3 minutes as a rifle bolt in a lifetime....lol. I hear you though, I love ti rem actions for building light hunters, but the bolt always feels like crap compared to steel on steel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I trust Marks opinion - it is one that comes fom real world experience.
However, a few thoughs on titanium:
I love Ti, it is an amazing material, but not without its own issues. While it is about 2/3 the weight of steel, it is also only 2/3 the stiffness. The strongest alloys of Ti (like 6AL4V) are stronger than weak and moderate alloys of steel, but strong alloys of steel are far, far stronger than Ti. Consider that Allvac C350 steel has a UTS of 350ksi! Amazing!
Another point is that Ti tends to gall when it is rubbed against things with force. I'd be curious to hear Marks experience with the lug abutment surfaces and the locking lugs on the bolt. I would *expect* them to tend to gall. The C6 Z06 corvette uses Ti connecting rods and GM had a helluva time getting them to be reliable, as the big ends would gall as they rubbed together - and that is a well oiled joint with fairly low relative motion and force. At GM Racing, first thing we'd do was ditch those rods for steel Carillo ones.
Not trying to dis Titanium - just pointing out its Achilles heels. </div></div>
The good news is a wristpin moves as much in 3 minutes as a rifle bolt in a lifetime....lol. I hear you though, I love ti rem actions for building light hunters, but the bolt always feels like crap compared to steel on steel.
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http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011...-2012/#comments
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011...-2012/#comments
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Not sure how the claim is that titanium is 42% the weight of steel....
Two parts of identical geometry, one in steel and one in Ti, the Ti will weigh 65% as much as steel.
Also, the strength/weight ratio is not so clear cut! Some alloys of steel are damn near 400,000psi, whereas 6al4v Ti is only 170ksi. Comparing two parts in these two alloys will show the steel to be overall FAR stronger, and have a superior strength/weight ratio.
Ti shows its awesomeness when the part is designed for very efficient use of material, and *just* enough is used.
In general, a part designed in steel, recreated in Ti is not a great use of Ti. Perhaps Pierce has performed significant design changes...?
Not sure how the claim is that titanium is 42% the weight of steel....
Two parts of identical geometry, one in steel and one in Ti, the Ti will weigh 65% as much as steel.
Also, the strength/weight ratio is not so clear cut! Some alloys of steel are damn near 400,000psi, whereas 6al4v Ti is only 170ksi. Comparing two parts in these two alloys will show the steel to be overall FAR stronger, and have a superior strength/weight ratio.
Ti shows its awesomeness when the part is designed for very efficient use of material, and *just* enough is used.
In general, a part designed in steel, recreated in Ti is not a great use of Ti. Perhaps Pierce has performed significant design changes...?
Re: X-Treme shooting products, Ti recivers ?
you can make a steel action just as strong as a Ti action because you need less material if made from somthing like 17-4.
I thought about trying to make an action fro Ti and use hardened D2 inserts for the bolt race way to eliminate that "sticky" feeling Ti gets and by using a breaching ring like the Badger action does you could great ad some strength
you can make a steel action just as strong as a Ti action because you need less material if made from somthing like 17-4.
I thought about trying to make an action fro Ti and use hardened D2 inserts for the bolt race way to eliminate that "sticky" feeling Ti gets and by using a breaching ring like the Badger action does you could great ad some strength
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