Can someone please tell me why the xdM's are not "allowed" in CA? They are not officially on the "banned" list but they are not sold here either... Just wondering before I settle for the xd.
Suppressors xdM in California
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Re: xdM in California
No the xdM isn't on it. So all you are saying is that I would have to get someone to throw away the high cap mags and I can have the gun just modify them for ten rounds? And it has nothing to with how the weapon works?
No the xdM isn't on it. So all you are saying is that I would have to get someone to throw away the high cap mags and I can have the gun just modify them for ten rounds? And it has nothing to with how the weapon works?
Re: xdM in California
No. To get on the list the gun needs to pass a bunch of tests administered by the state of Cali. Having just come from there, you still cannot get a GEN 4 Glock (unless you are military or police) because it is considered a new design. In 2006, California passed a requirement that any new designs must have a magazine disconnect so they cannot be fired with the magazine removed. While it is silly, the state considers the GEN4 Glock and the XDm as "new designs" even though they are really just a different generation of legacy models. Both manufacturers were hoping to get them recognized as such so that they may sell them to civies, but don't hold your breath.
They do limit their weapons to 10 round magazines, but that is the least of the issues if the firearm is not on the approved list.
With that said, I purchased my GEN4 because I am military. If you can find a military or LEO that wants to sell their XDm then you may purchase it from them in a transfer THROUGH A CERTIFIED DEALER. California does not allow you to transfer weapons private party without the same red tape as purchasing new. It does give you the ability to purchase LEO/mil only handguns, but they are really hard to find used through those avenues.
Here is the verbiage straight from SB 489:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: California SB 489</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Requires that effective January 1, 2006, no semiautomatic centerfire pistol model may be added to the roster of handguns certified for sale in California unless it has a chamber load indicator or, if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism. Also effective January 1, 2006, no rimfire semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine may be added to the certified list of handguns for sale in California unless it has a magazine disconnect mechanism. Handgun models that have been placed on the roster prior to the new requirements becoming operative may remain on the roster without these features.</div></div>
Transfer requirements from California PC 12072(d):
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: California PC 12072(d)</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.
Firearms dealers are required to process private party transfers upon request. Firearms dealers may charge a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm for conducting a private party transfer. Example:
For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00 for the first handgun and $31.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction.
For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of$10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.
(PC section 12072(d))</div></div>
Josh
No. To get on the list the gun needs to pass a bunch of tests administered by the state of Cali. Having just come from there, you still cannot get a GEN 4 Glock (unless you are military or police) because it is considered a new design. In 2006, California passed a requirement that any new designs must have a magazine disconnect so they cannot be fired with the magazine removed. While it is silly, the state considers the GEN4 Glock and the XDm as "new designs" even though they are really just a different generation of legacy models. Both manufacturers were hoping to get them recognized as such so that they may sell them to civies, but don't hold your breath.
They do limit their weapons to 10 round magazines, but that is the least of the issues if the firearm is not on the approved list.
With that said, I purchased my GEN4 because I am military. If you can find a military or LEO that wants to sell their XDm then you may purchase it from them in a transfer THROUGH A CERTIFIED DEALER. California does not allow you to transfer weapons private party without the same red tape as purchasing new. It does give you the ability to purchase LEO/mil only handguns, but they are really hard to find used through those avenues.
Here is the verbiage straight from SB 489:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: California SB 489</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Requires that effective January 1, 2006, no semiautomatic centerfire pistol model may be added to the roster of handguns certified for sale in California unless it has a chamber load indicator or, if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism. Also effective January 1, 2006, no rimfire semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine may be added to the certified list of handguns for sale in California unless it has a magazine disconnect mechanism. Handgun models that have been placed on the roster prior to the new requirements becoming operative may remain on the roster without these features.</div></div>
Transfer requirements from California PC 12072(d):
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: California PC 12072(d)</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.
Firearms dealers are required to process private party transfers upon request. Firearms dealers may charge a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm for conducting a private party transfer. Example:
For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00 for the first handgun and $31.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction.
For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of$10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.
(PC section 12072(d))</div></div>
Josh
Re: xdM in California
Josh, read that statute again carefully. It uses the word "or."
All Springfield firearms have a loaded chamber indicator. In fact, the XD has always, to my knowledge, had one. They therefore do not need a magazine disconnect, unless it is a rimfire, which the XDM is not.
The plain answer is probably that the XDM doesn't have 10 round mags available. No sense in getting a gun approved if there are no mags available that are legal. A gun without mags is useless.
Josh, read that statute again carefully. It uses the word "or."
All Springfield firearms have a loaded chamber indicator. In fact, the XD has always, to my knowledge, had one. They therefore do not need a magazine disconnect, unless it is a rimfire, which the XDM is not.
The plain answer is probably that the XDM doesn't have 10 round mags available. No sense in getting a gun approved if there are no mags available that are legal. A gun without mags is useless.
Re: xdM in California
josh you are the first one to give me a straight answer and not get annoyed or pissed by me answering this!!! I guess I won't hold my breath and just get the xd.
josh you are the first one to give me a straight answer and not get annoyed or pissed by me answering this!!! I guess I won't hold my breath and just get the xd.
Re: xdM in California
Isn't there a single shot exemption whereby a CA 07 FFL can convert the pistol to a single shot form, transfer it to the end user and the end user can legally modify it back to normal status however use 10rd mags? It seems making 10rd mags is rather easy: http://www.vaportrails.us/html/xdm.html
Isn't there a single shot exemption whereby a CA 07 FFL can convert the pistol to a single shot form, transfer it to the end user and the end user can legally modify it back to normal status however use 10rd mags? It seems making 10rd mags is rather easy: http://www.vaportrails.us/html/xdm.html
Re: xdM in California
Either go with the single shot exemption that MidwestPX mentioned or you can look for one that's already here in CA (they do exist) and put up a want to buy ad. Someone may be willing to sell you one through a private party transfer. No way around the magazine issue though, so it's kind of a moot point to have the gun unless you really like the way the XDm shoots and feels in your hands.
Either go with the single shot exemption that MidwestPX mentioned or you can look for one that's already here in CA (they do exist) and put up a want to buy ad. Someone may be willing to sell you one through a private party transfer. No way around the magazine issue though, so it's kind of a moot point to have the gun unless you really like the way the XDm shoots and feels in your hands.
Re: xdM in California
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Josh, read that statute again carefully. It uses the word "or."
All Springfield firearms have a loaded chamber indicator. In fact, the XD has always, to my knowledge, had one. They therefore do not need a magazine disconnect, unless it is a rimfire, which the XDM is not.
The plain answer is probably that the XDM doesn't have 10 round mags available. No sense in getting a gun approved if there are no mags available that are legal. A gun without mags is useless. </div></div>
DZ,
I got that off the FAQs on CA's website. It looks like they combined a couple of the statutes in the FAQ. I further researched the statute and this is what it says:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CA PC 12126.b.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
(5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic
pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section
12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has
a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.</div></div>
The entire update can be read HERE under section 12126
DZ, thanks again for pointing that out. That law school has given you the requisite attention to detail that I didn't exhibit when reading it the first time. Hopefully this clarifies that. So, no new manufactured weapons without magazine disconnect AND loaded chamber indicator. That is why the only new one I know of for sale out there is the M&P (with disconnect). Magazines are an issue, but if the gun had the required mechanisms I am sure the manufacturer would make some just like Glock and S&W.
Like I said; I was able to purchase a GEN4 Glock through their blue label program as that is the only generation they are putting out under that program presently. If you want a Glock in California and are a civie you have to settle for the GEN 3.
Josh
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Josh, read that statute again carefully. It uses the word "or."
All Springfield firearms have a loaded chamber indicator. In fact, the XD has always, to my knowledge, had one. They therefore do not need a magazine disconnect, unless it is a rimfire, which the XDM is not.
The plain answer is probably that the XDM doesn't have 10 round mags available. No sense in getting a gun approved if there are no mags available that are legal. A gun without mags is useless. </div></div>
DZ,
I got that off the FAQs on CA's website. It looks like they combined a couple of the statutes in the FAQ. I further researched the statute and this is what it says:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CA PC 12126.b.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
(5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic
pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section
12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has
a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.</div></div>
The entire update can be read HERE under section 12126
DZ, thanks again for pointing that out. That law school has given you the requisite attention to detail that I didn't exhibit when reading it the first time. Hopefully this clarifies that. So, no new manufactured weapons without magazine disconnect AND loaded chamber indicator. That is why the only new one I know of for sale out there is the M&P (with disconnect). Magazines are an issue, but if the gun had the required mechanisms I am sure the manufacturer would make some just like Glock and S&W.
Like I said; I was able to purchase a GEN4 Glock through their blue label program as that is the only generation they are putting out under that program presently. If you want a Glock in California and are a civie you have to settle for the GEN 3.
Josh
Re: xdM in California
Look at this page for intrafamilial handgun transfers and off roster hand guns.
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members
Look at this page for intrafamilial handgun transfers and off roster hand guns.
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members
