I’m about to pull the trigger on a Zeus qc but keep looking at the Impact 737 and keep second guessing myself. I’m leaning toward the Zeus because of the 60deg bolt because my current target rifle is a Tikka and I like the bolt operation of it granted I haven’t ever owned anything other than Tikka’s. Is the bolt lift on the Zeus more or less than a factory Tikka? I think I’ll be happy if it’s at least the same but not heavier. Anyone that’s had a chance to use both the Zeus and Tikka I’d love to hear your opinions on the two.
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I was actually wondering that same thing. I really like my tikka with sterk swept bolt. I’m also interested in both the Zeus and AI ATX.
Backwards. Shorter the bolt throw, the same amount of work needs to be done in a shorter distance, IE heavier. I have a bunch of tikka's and shot competivley with a Tac A1 for a season. The tikka smoother and easier to run the bolt than the terminus 3 lugs.
OP go with the impact and don't look back. I have both impact and terminus actions and if I did it again, I would get another impact. They are hands down the best actions on the market, with amazing ecosystem and zero tinkering or mods required out of the box to get them to function like Lone Peaks. Terminus makes great actions, but its also a one man shop. If anything ever happened to Joel, you are fucked.
You will almost never see people go from impact to another action. You will see people switching to impact. After playing with mine at a match today, I may have convinced a guy with an AT-X to join the team for the big win.
Really only looked at the Impact because because of how popular it is in the PRS crowd and that everyone raves about how smooth and lite the bolt lift is. I’ve spent several weeks looking at comparisons and it always seems like the Zeus and 737 end up being the most popular choice for either a two or three lug action
This is what I was looking for! I definitely don’t want a heavier bolt lift then what I currently have on my Tikka CTR
The two big differences between the impact and the zues, other than the 2vs 3 lug action.
The Impact uses trigger hangers. They come in different angles so you can make bolt timing much easier.
The Zues comes with threaded trigger pins. Really nice not having to bang with a hammer.
I will take the ultra ease of timing and reliability of the trigger hanger over saving a 20 seconds installing a trigger with an allen vs a hammer & punch.
Now certain chassis like KRG may need a relief cut to accommodate the trigger hanger but virtually all chassis and stocks already have the cutout for them (Foundations, Manners, MPA, MDT, ect).
The Impact uses trigger hangers. They come in different angles so you can make bolt timing much easier.
The Zues comes with threaded trigger pins. Really nice not having to bang with a hammer.
I will take the ultra ease of timing and reliability of the trigger hanger over saving a 20 seconds installing a trigger with an allen vs a hammer & punch.
Now certain chassis like KRG may need a relief cut to accommodate the trigger hanger but virtually all chassis and stocks already have the cutout for them (Foundations, Manners, MPA, MDT, ect).
I agree with @DeathBeforeDismount on this
@fclassparadise got savage actions blueprinted…so I didn’t even read his novel above
@fclassparadise got savage actions blueprinted…so I didn’t even read his novel above
I have a zeus and a tikka. The zeus bolt lift feels slightly heavier than the tikka. So small a difference that I’d bet you would be used to it the first day of shooting. But if that’s the most important factor to you, I guess go with something 90 degree or stick with the tikka.
Here’s the stats on your two posts in this thread. All this and nothing even close to actually answering the question that this thread is about.
Just keep in mind this lad runs around to every thread remotely related to actions and sucks of the Impact like he is getting paid to do it. It’s bonkers.
I shot a Tikka for years and because of that 90 degree bolt lift feels goofy to me. The transition to a Zues from a Tikka would probably be easier but if light bolt lift is a critical factor the. Take the time and switch over to the Impact.
Some of us compete and some of us shoot at dirt piles. Come shoot some matches and maybe you will learn something. About half of all PRS shooters suck off impact too.
Maybe instead of needlessly trying to pick a fight, you could say why you wouldn’t recommend an impact? Or at least something of value to the OP’s question.
Just out of curiosity has anyone measured the bolt lift in lbs on either action. I wondering how much of a difference there is. The biggest reason I keep going back to the Zeus is the quick barrel change feature. I think getting a second bolt and barrel to do swaps at the range to shoot .223 to save money and reloading components would be cool
The quick change is a gimmick IMO. You can swap shouldered prefits too. I actually have a trailer hitch mount with a SAC barrel vise I can swap from 6.5/6gt barrels to .223 for practice. Just swap barrel, Bolt and mags. Takes less than 10 minutes to tear gun down, swap barrels and torque back up. A few guys with impacts I know do this as well, but you can do it with any action.
I’ve never fooled with a Zues action but I have had Curtis Axioms (terminus comparable) and Tikkas. A curtis axiom with a 60 degree bolt lift was slightly lighter than the tikkas 70 but not enough to make any practical difference. If I stood on the axiom bolt handle, you could still cycle the action. Those things won’t bind and are slick. Tikkas are great as well in that department.
I did get to shoot my first impact action a few weeks ago and it is no better or worse than the others. It really comes down to if a man prefers a 90 degree bolt lift or something shorter. I prefer shorter so any 90 degree action, including Impact, is automatically out of consideration.
I did get to shoot my first impact action a few weeks ago and it is no better or worse than the others. It really comes down to if a man prefers a 90 degree bolt lift or something shorter. I prefer shorter so any 90 degree action, including Impact, is automatically out of consideration.
Since switching to AI’s and Tikkas I really don’t care for my 90° Rem 700 platforms. Just my preference of course
I for one love the qc. I have a zues and 2 Valors and a few others. I definitely prefer the qc. It's a pia to take a BA out of a chassis to change the barrel and then you have the wrap the barrel and put it in a vice and not scratch it..... changing a barrel with vice isn't super hard or anything, but I got super tired of taking my BA out of the chassis, taking my scope off, and changing it. The QC is way better and definitely works extremely well. There's a reason I now have 3 QC actions. It works great and is just a ton easier. I don't swap barrels all the time or anything, but when I do, I sure don't miss all the crap I used to have to do.
Also the zues bolt lift is more than a Tikka. That's one of the things I don't like. My zermatt actions are easier to run than the zues and the Valor is a little easier to run than the zues but the zues is "nicer" if that makes sense. I much prefer running my zermatts but the qc feature outweighs that for me so it's not some massive issue or anything just to put that in perspective for the op
You could have left the action in the chassis and the scope on the action when pulling the barrel. The vice will grab the muzzle end just the same. Either way the qc is easier for sure.
This is kinda where I’m at. I get that barrel changes aren’t hard but require extra tools vs the quick change I just need a allen wrench and can do it pretty much anywhere.
Well that depends on the barrel and the chassis. You can't do that with a carbon barrel and there's other SS barrels that I didn't want to do it with. With an enclosed forend you pretty much have the take the BA out unless it's a very long barrel, but even if you didn't the qc works very well ime and is super easy.
On the other hand, you always have to adjust your zero in some way of course and I think most who get a qc think they will swap barrels more than they actually do with it. That said, I definitely prefer the qc action, even if it's only 4 times a year you change the barrel, it's worth it to me.
Trying to figure out what you have seen people have to modify on a Lone Peak to get them to work? Mine has worked flawlessly since I bought it.
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Was the extractor hanging?
With certain scope mounts and case designs, if you do not make this mod, the brass will not extract from the chamber, it will bounce back in and cause a malfunction. I am not exactly sure how it happens, but I presume it changes the angle that the case gets flung out, helping it clear the port instead of hitting the top of the action/Sphur bar and bouncing back in.
Its a known issue with most the big Lone Peak smiths, they just don't talk about it.
I brought it up to the loan peak guys at a NRL hunter match a year or so ago. They pretended like they didn't know what I was talking about, which is bullshit becuase I know 2 guys who called them and asked them how to fix it. This was the advice they were given.
Lone peak makes a great action, its just something to keep in mind.
. I have only seen one person have issue with impact, and he was blowing up firing pins too. Shooting 22GT. @Birddog6424 knows what I am talking about.
I would not buy a Zeus. It intrigued me but I saw pics of the set screws and that's not what I want holding a barrel tight. Impact is the way to go.
Not sure what makes you think you can't grab a CF barrel on the CF in front of forend, but Proof says you can with their CF barrels. They say just wrap the barrel in leather or something else to protect it but otherwise treat it like you would a steel barrel and I've done exactly that without any issue.
Not sure what makes you think you can't grab a CF barrel on the CF in front of forend, but Proof says you can with their CF barrels. They say just wrap the barrel in leather or something else to protect it but otherwise treat it like you would a steel barrel and I've done exactly that without any issue.
The set screw only keeps it from turning so its not really holding it but I get what your saying. There hasn't been any issues for any of the qc actions that I'm aware of has there? I hear ya but, it works pretty well and has been out in the wild for a while now without issue between AI, Terminus, and Curtis actions, that's a good bit of them to be out there.
I didn't know that about a carbon barrel though. I thought it was a no no to treat the carbon wrapped part like a steel barrel and as tight as you have to crank it down I'd be too worried I'd mess it up.
This is something people should google before for themselves>
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