I just signed up I don't even no if I'm supposed to ask a question here Need input from the pros . Would a 6x24x56 zeiss victory diavari work good on a rem model 700 tactical 308 ??
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Really nice scopes, but I think that model uses .05 mil clicks and has limited internal adjustment which may come into play using a 308 at longer ranges. But if you already have it, you might as well shoot it till you run out of scope and then buy something else.
Old pre-FL models had 0.05mil clicks, now 0.1. Old ones had also more internal travel, +15 mils if my memory serves me. New ones about 12, even if stopper pin inside turret is removed. Pin limits ASV travel to 6.2mil.
Current ASV turret has also lock. Windage turret is option too, but limited adjustment range and expensive.
Reticle #43 is again option, I´d go with it as it more or less replaces windage too.
43 is calibrated to 12x magnification. Does everything better than #60, except if you need twilight hunting scope with no compromises. It is too bright, especially for small game or varmints when in limit of visibility.
Current ASV turret has also lock. Windage turret is option too, but limited adjustment range and expensive.
Reticle #43 is again option, I´d go with it as it more or less replaces windage too.
43 is calibrated to 12x magnification. Does everything better than #60, except if you need twilight hunting scope with no compromises. It is too bright, especially for small game or varmints when in limit of visibility.
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It's really sad how they destroyed all long range features in that scope by taking down the internal elevation.
A 20 moa base is normally to much for that scope and 100 yard zero becomes impossible.....
I assume they don't want the long range customers and Think they should go to Cassidian instean while the hunters stay with Zeiss.
Maybe it's a way of parting the market.....
Håkan
A 20 moa base is normally to much for that scope and 100 yard zero becomes impossible.....
I assume they don't want the long range customers and Think they should go to Cassidian instean while the hunters stay with Zeiss.
Maybe it's a way of parting the market.....
Håkan
What is your intended use for rifle and scope???
I have one on a .300WM with a 20 MOA rail. No problem with a 100 yard zero. My days of banging around a tactical rifle/scope combo are over, so it's hunting and paper punching for me. For my use, it's more than adequate. I can't speak on the durability for combat type use, for that I would probably consider a NF, S&B...etc or Hendsolt if you want to stick with Zeiss.
If you decide that it does not fit your purpose, please let me know. I would be more than happy to offer you considerably less than what you paid for it. lol. JK... Awesome scopes.
Good luck.
Bill
I have one on a .300WM with a 20 MOA rail. No problem with a 100 yard zero. My days of banging around a tactical rifle/scope combo are over, so it's hunting and paper punching for me. For my use, it's more than adequate. I can't speak on the durability for combat type use, for that I would probably consider a NF, S&B...etc or Hendsolt if you want to stick with Zeiss.
If you decide that it does not fit your purpose, please let me know. I would be more than happy to offer you considerably less than what you paid for it. lol. JK... Awesome scopes.
Good luck.
Bill
WB300
The thumb rule for tilt is that you maximum should use half elevation in tilt IF you wanna be able to zero at 100 yards.
The newer Zeiss have 37 MOA elevation and 20 moa is more than half.
That means it will work in some guns and not in others with 20 moa tilt.
(because rarely never is a rifle perfectly straight and therefor might it work, but as it's on the limit might it also not work)
The older generation 6-24 did have 55 moa elevation and that worked.
But I know a number of people who bought the 6-24 for long range use that got very dissapointed when they not can use it with a 20 moa rail.
Really sad as the optics in Zeiss 6-24 is wonderfull
The thumb rule for tilt is that you maximum should use half elevation in tilt IF you wanna be able to zero at 100 yards.
The newer Zeiss have 37 MOA elevation and 20 moa is more than half.
That means it will work in some guns and not in others with 20 moa tilt.
(because rarely never is a rifle perfectly straight and therefor might it work, but as it's on the limit might it also not work)
The older generation 6-24 did have 55 moa elevation and that worked.
But I know a number of people who bought the 6-24 for long range use that got very dissapointed when they not can use it with a 20 moa rail.
Really sad as the optics in Zeiss 6-24 is wonderfull
I hear ya Spuhr. No worries.
If I wasn't able to zero at 100, I was going to zero at 200 or further. For my purposes, a 200 yard zero would still put the bullet in the boiler room of any critter at 100 yards. I'm more concerned with precision past 300 yards than 100 (other rifles for that). But without knowing the OP's intended purpose for the rig, it's hard to give advice on absolutes. I'm also using the Rapid Z Varmint reticle which has a hash mark above the cross hair for a 100 yard zero as an option. I really wanted a Hendsoldt, but was nervous about the future of Hendsoldt here in the US.
Sorry to the OP for going off on a tangent. I'm still getting used to this scope, so any chance I get to compare notes with anyone else, like Spuhr, I'll take the opportunity.
Bill
If I wasn't able to zero at 100, I was going to zero at 200 or further. For my purposes, a 200 yard zero would still put the bullet in the boiler room of any critter at 100 yards. I'm more concerned with precision past 300 yards than 100 (other rifles for that). But without knowing the OP's intended purpose for the rig, it's hard to give advice on absolutes. I'm also using the Rapid Z Varmint reticle which has a hash mark above the cross hair for a 100 yard zero as an option. I really wanted a Hendsoldt, but was nervous about the future of Hendsoldt here in the US.
Sorry to the OP for going off on a tangent. I'm still getting used to this scope, so any chance I get to compare notes with anyone else, like Spuhr, I'll take the opportunity.
Bill
Zeiss My scope has z1000 rectical
if I knew how to use that Z1000 rectical I should be ok hell I don't no how to use the scope
Thanks for yaws input I thought the Z1000 rec would take the shot out to 1000 yards O well I'm learning So I take all the input I can get Thanks again
Did you mess with the Zeiss Ballistic Calculator online?
Using as an example .308 Fed. 168 gr. GMM with the 6-24x56 with a Rapid-Z 1000 reticle, the scope should be set at 22.5x and zeroed at 500 yds. for the closest BDC match.
Man I feel dumb But I'm not I don't no what the 25.5x means I've hunted for 52 years but about 1 year ago I started playing around with this long Range shooting Anouther words I'm a rookie I've learned on here that I've already bout the the wrong scope An it was expensive I could have got the one I really needed at cheaper price Anyway be patent with me I learn pretty fast Thanks for taking the time to try an help me All of you Thank you
Attached is a screenshot from the online calculator. With the sample data, it shows the respective range for each stadia line up and down the reticle with the scope set at 22.5x magnification.
If you adjust any of the variables in the calculator, the ranges assigned to each stadia lines and/or the magnification used for holding-over will change.
If you adjust any of the variables in the calculator, the ranges assigned to each stadia lines and/or the magnification used for holding-over will change.
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Don't know about the new ones, but I've had one since 2003.
Mine has around 14 Mils of travel, if I recall correctly. 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA base is no problem for me. It tracks perfectly and optically it is outstanding. I use mine on a hunting rig.
I do wish it had 1/10 Mil clicks instead of 1/20, but for my use, its not that big of a deal.
I will say this, I have compared it to many other scopes (Swaro, NXS, S&B, Kahles, etc...) and in my eyes, it has them all beat in terms of optical clarity. It is nothing short of amazing.
Having said that, I run a NXS 3-15x56 on my "tactical" rig. The Reticle choices are much better, the High Speed turrets are awesome, the zero stop is nice and the optics are plenty good for range work. Not to mention the price tag is much better.
Mine has around 14 Mils of travel, if I recall correctly. 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA base is no problem for me. It tracks perfectly and optically it is outstanding. I use mine on a hunting rig.
I do wish it had 1/10 Mil clicks instead of 1/20, but for my use, its not that big of a deal.
I will say this, I have compared it to many other scopes (Swaro, NXS, S&B, Kahles, etc...) and in my eyes, it has them all beat in terms of optical clarity. It is nothing short of amazing.
Having said that, I run a NXS 3-15x56 on my "tactical" rig. The Reticle choices are much better, the High Speed turrets are awesome, the zero stop is nice and the optics are plenty good for range work. Not to mention the price tag is much better.
I have more questions but this iPhone is to small I don't even no what a 20 mow base means I thought a base was a base
Ok I. Trying to figure this out I'm studying ur post you left me. It hast hit me yet what ya mean I'm being serious I thought zoom in on something was just that So 24.5 x Has everything to do with range ?
Santee116
The problem is when they changed from 1/20 mil clicks to 1/10 they also changed the total travel from 16 mils to 11. Older ones could be mounted on 20 Moa but not newer.
The problem is when they changed from 1/20 mil clicks to 1/10 they also changed the total travel from 16 mils to 11. Older ones could be mounted on 20 Moa but not newer.
Can the zeiss rapid z calculator Is their a app for that I need to get it downloaded on my phone Or Surely they make a ballistic calculator if so what's the name of a simple one
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