Maurygold said:

Have you considered the Berger hybrid being more forgiving at multiple seating depths? The bullet performs quite consistently between 20-40 thou off and the manufacturing inconsistency in the hornady is not as forgiving.

You also said they measure nearly the same - everyone who has touched both knows this is wildly inaccurate.

You gave no data about the rifle, components, process to develop these loads you compared.

I’m gonna guess from this thread you already developed a load for the hornady and use hornady are trying to justify the cheaper bullet being “just as good”

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and you would be wrong. I developed a load for the bergers. Then adapted the load to the hornady. But in that video you are only see the results of the beginning of testing.

The data you are asking for is irrelevant. It's same weight and type with a slightly diff shape. If the bergers are so much better I would not be able to get results almost as good. The question you aren't seeing for some reason is this isn't IF bergers are better. Do they make a big enough diff to merit the cost?

Both loads shoot better than factory lapua.

Watched it twice and still not sure wtf I just watched. Did the lady cop shoot the male cop and miss the ghost? All the shots fired at the ghost and he still runs away with his pants down to his azz. But considering one other video where they kicked someone's door in illegally. Meh they probably deserved it

PickMyShots said:

Old thread I know, but recent experience with Vudoo customer service was so horrible that it needed mentioning. 2nd time back to Vudoo for multiple issues including sticky bolt. No resolution and $250 bill to me!

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$250 bill for what?

I have a friend that has had to send his back MULTIPLE times because it will fail to fire at least one center X per mag. They can’t seem to get it fixed but least they haven’t charged him.

He has pretty much stopped shooting it due to having to lift the bolt multiple times per magazine to fire one round.

There are such things as black powder cartridges, but the .308 (or any modern rifle) isn't one of those. The above posts about leaving it alone are wise. Black powder cartridges in general are probably not a good first step into reloading.

If you want to be 'on the cheap', just make your first real purchase a good reloading manual. By the time you've read it twice, you should have at least that much saved back up again to go towards getting set up for .308.

Trade structured with @toygunner

Smokeless powder burns progressively, black powder explodes simultaneously so it’s a completely different profile.

As a newbie a general rule of thumb is to never put black powder in a modern cartridge.

Gogga said:

An analogy is from another interest of mine AV. If you have a decent set up there is a very noticeable difference between a 4K stream and a 4k Blu-ray. Similarly the better your rifle, the greater the distance and higher your accuracy needs, the more bullet variation will show up.

That said if you can shoot twice as much with cheaper components that's probably a better choice. There's a bigger difference in shooter skill than components.

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For myself I agree. I don't claim to be an F class shooter. I just enjoy getting out of the house once a month or so for maybe an hour to take a break from everything. When my rig, reloading skills, and shooting skills limit me to shooting just under 1/2 moa with either.....I will likely just enjoy playing around diff brands as much as sticking to just one but will shoot more with less cost.

R

Rem700 bdl, New Haven Winchester , ruger one, and if you want current US made maybe a Weatherby 307 or Mk5.

diggler1833 said:

I'd definitely incorporate a randomly selected 20 bullet sample from each manufacturer on the next video, and test bullet CBTO, diameter (with micrometer), OAL, and weight variations.

Bonus if you repeat the test with another lot from the same manufacturer later and compare results.

Some barrels just won't like some bullets. I've had amazingly consistent measurements with my last tests of the 107 and 130gr SMK...but I'm having a harder time getting that to transition on a paper target. Same 6mm barrel that struggled to develop a sub half-minute (consistent) group with the 107s, shoots 3/8 MOA with the 108gr ELD-M across almost a full 2gr of powder charge weight...even though the SMK in this case is much more consistent from bullet to bullet.

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I do enjoy reloading so that sounds like a good idea and also fun. So far the one lot of hornady was very consistent.

I do have decent mitotoyo & fowler mics to measure with. When I compared these I only went so far to measure with mitotoyo calipers and my chargemaster.

I use SMK 140 exclusively for my 6.5cm because I bought a ton of them and they have been performing decent.

I had posed the question about a year ago asking others when they felt a load was good enough. Meaning at what point do you stop trying to develop a load. At some point my shooting ability and reloading ability as well as the capability of the rig will all come into play. That was kind of what got me started down the rabbit hole of not only trying diff calibers but also diff bullet brands.

Hard right...
Fucking warned all here about this bullshit.
They invented this idea/group to insinuate that there is a balance to the crazed far left.
Also this is used as a target/deserving target for anything they can think of.
I'll wager the implication is the "far right" guy deserved it from the media.

R

price drop, $1200 shipped

DJL2 said:

ETA:
I suppose there's always the Weatherby MkV, though I cannot speak to country of origin nor abide a Monte Carlo stock design (particularly on a rifle chambered for a Wby Magnum).

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Throughout its history the Mk V has been made in Germany (Sauer), Japan (Howa), and the USA (Saco Defense) in that order.

They're still made here AFAIK but I'm not sure if Saco is still the manufacturer.

Appreciate the invite but I’m good on driving 5hr round trip to a fudd range that makes you spend a day hauling your shit back and forth to qualify so you can shoot there.

Ncloud said:

Continuation-
Proof 6.5 Creedmoor prefit
147 Eldm’s
40.5gr 4451
2711fps
.39 moa 5 shot groups at 100yds

I have sold my 6 dasher prs rifle and am attempting to do all competitions with the axsr. So far I’ve shot 3 prs one day matches, legion sniper match and an ELR match.

My prs scores are nearly the same as with the dasher. My hit percent average is 75% (76,73,78) in the three matches I’ve shot this year. The only things I really notice are the heavier bolt lift and the way the forearm interacts with a game changer bag. Neither of these things are bad, just different than the dasher I had. It was a Zeus in an envy pro.

The more I shoot it the more I like it.

Has anyone tried to get their axsr down to 16 pounds for an NRL hunter match?

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I'm also interested if anyone has used an AXSR in a hunter match. Maybe with an 18.5" CF 6.5 Creedmoor barrel? It would be nice to have the option, but I'm guessing a ZCO 5-27 or S&B 6-36 would most likely put it over 16lbs...

Makinchips208 said:

These things can drive and vote? We’re doomed.

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It’s worse than that, they procreate and mess up the children they have given birth to, who in this case and many others, won’t know their father, won’t grow up in a stable family environment, and will have their minds filled with toxic behavior and thoughts from their mothers brain. And then they drive and vote and ……..

ObiJohn said:

Then tell me why kinetic energy doeen't matter... I've told you why it does.

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You have provided nothing but empty theories and anecdotes.

So you have told us nothing.

Bump

Nope

sroc112 said:

I've always been a bit thrown off from wood just in terms of weather, longevity, accuracy, etc

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There are plenty of wood stock rifles in the second hand market that are well over 50 years old and quite a few nearing 100 all in excellent working order.

Up until I think the 70s, ALL target and match rifles were wood-stocked.

This was the BA when it was a complete build.

fpgt72 said:

To some a shooting match on Sunday IS. It all depends on the specific club you join. You know this as well as I. I also remember when everything was closed on Sunday.

The kicker is they are all so sure that they are the "true" religion. And all of them are just a tick different from each other, well the "main stream" ones anyway.

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Attaching a specific denomination to your name does not provide a reservation in Heaven. Although some may get you a spot in hell.

Anti-Israel Protesters Block LGBTQ Pride Parade in Philadelphia
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...esters-block-lgbtq-pride-parade-philadelphia/

lol. Who do you root for? Both are trash

HockeyGoalie27 said:

That was one of the best looking builds I've ever seen.

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I was an amazing rifle, it was a tough decision to sell but I just don't get any use out of it anymore.