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5X10 100 yard challenge

jbell

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    I have been thinking about starting this up for a while, so I decided to give it a go today to see if it draws any interest. If so maybe we can make it a sticky.

    Not to take the place of the 6X5 thread which I will keep going as long as there are people who want to shoot it, but rather another way to see if we can raise the rimfire accuracy bar. I chose to keep this one only at 100 yards mainly because most people have access to 100 yards and the shooters and rifles who participate regularly in the 6X5 have progressed so far since the early days of that challenge that 50 yards is starting to get a little easy. I feel that 100 yards with a 22lr is as much of a test for the shooter as it is for the rifle and ammo. So lets see what we can do!

    The rules are simple:
    -All targets must be shot at 100 yards (or 100 meters if that is what your range is set up for and Ill arrange the results off of MOA not size so it is fair).
    -I would prefer this challenge be shot off of a bipod but as in the 6X5 you can shoot off a front rest and rear bag as long as you are actually steering the rifle, let’s not use any sort of mechanical rest.
    -All groups must be shot in the same day on the same target, same as the 6X5.
    -No cherry picking or not scoring a “called flyer”, it has to be 50 consecutive shots.
    -I will record the average size and the smallest group same as the 6X5.
     
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    AVERAGE:

    1: 0.770” / 0.735 MOA (jbell- Anschutz Benchmark 10/29/19)
    2: 0.770” / 0.735 MOA (Reubenski- Vudoo V-22 4/30/20)
    3: 1.049” / 0.916 MOA (barronian- Sauer 200 STR 5/7/20) *100 meters*
    4: 0.980” / 0.936 MOA (jbell- Vudoo V-22 10/20/19)
    5: 1.159” / 1.107 MOA (BillOH- Vudoo V22 10/30/19)

    BEST GROUP:

    1: 0.603” / 0.576 MOA (jbell- Anschutz Benchmark 10/29/19)
    2: 0.662” / 0.578 MOA (barronian- Sauer 200 STR 5/7/20) *100 meters*
    3: 0.630 / 0.602 MOA (reubenski- Vudoo V-22 4/30/20)
    4: 0.654” / 0.625 MOA (jbell- Vudoo V-22 10/20/19)
    5: 0.870” / 0.669 MOA (BillOH- Vudoo V-22 10/30/19
     
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    Here is my submission to get this started. I shot it with 2 rifles today and it was pretty hard to hold it together for 50 rounds never mind 100 rounds. The conditions were pretty good today with light winds that were mostly calm, but I think I may have been caught by one or two sub 5mph gusts. I feel like I can do better, it is funny how my first group of each target (the top right) is considerably better than the rest. Fatigue definitely plays a role in this challenge! I did not rest between groups, I shot both targets in less than 30 minutes total including loading magazines! I also feel like sub 60f air temp 22lr looses its cutting edge accuracy, so there is room for improvement there too (but here in Maine I don’t expect to have a chance to shoot in 60f or higher temps for at least 7 more months...).

    First up is my Anschutz that has a Benchmark 15t 3 groove installed by Mark Penrod:
    E820AAA4-55B4-4482-BCC0-74B50D10ABB5.jpeg


    Next is my Vudoo V22 with a 20” Ace:
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    E035C979-A56E-4A79-8E1F-1EA9263F5A2E.jpeg
     
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    Cool. Not to be nit picky, but if the other is 6x5 then shouldn't this be 5x10? ;)

    My 74 year old body doesn't do prone well, so I'll be shooting off the bench. :)

    If I lay down, I'll probably take a nap. LOL

    Good point Bill, Ill change the name...

    I thought about not including the prone thing in the “rules” specifically for that reason, I do not want to exclude anyone from participating. I was more trying to say that with this being 10 round groups I think people should be steering the rifle as opposed to using a solid mechanical style rest like a vise or a one piece sled of some sort. I’ll make a change to that part also, I really hope to see you give this a whirl. I am looking forward to seeing what the Hide can produce with this course of fire!

    If anyone has any suggestions, thoughts, ideas, complaints, or what not please let me know!
     
    Only thing that might make it more entertaining is to shoot for score.
    One shot per bull, 50 shot target....think 2 USBR Green Monsters shot back to back with no break.
    Hmmmmm....I would do that....easy enough to pin two 8.5x11 targets to the backer.
    Be a good excuse to re-install the cone breach Shilen in my 455 Varmint.
    See if this new brick of SK Biathlon Sport is as good as the last.

    Something like this, best edge scoring

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    Yes, it's true, I am easily entertained...
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    Only thing that might make it more entertaining is to shoot for score.
    One shot per bull, 50 shot target....think 2 USBR Green Monsters shot back to back with no break.
    Hmmmmm....I would do that....easy enough to pin two 8.5x11 targets to the backer.
    Be a good excuse to re-install the cone breach Shilen in my 455 Varmint.
    See if this new brick of SK Biathlon Sport is as good as the last.

    Yes, it's true, I am easily entertained...
    Hp1yF2fDMpjz1jh3Rud4yshOe9DyA4_tDYC1D4eVKHbpt-xbsJTTo6PJ77Ifij4LPfMl97gOCmJA9PNjtw=s15

    I really wanted to do that but I thought this format may draw more shooters because you can make your own targets.

    I may order some of those targets and start that up...
     
    Or we can just print 8.5x11 to keep it cheap...

    Score is 10 down to 5 with zero for anything outside the 5 ring.
    Best edge scoring


    Download, open, print actual size 100%
    Exterior border measures 7.5x10 inches as a check
    Center dot is 0.10" diameter, each ring is 0.10" larger
    5 ring is 0.55" diameter

    No, it won't be easy, basically a 1 moa scoring zone for each shot.
    Supposed to be a challenge, right?
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    Or we can just print 8.5x11 to keep it cheap...

    Score is 10 down to 5 with zero for anything outside the 5 ring.
    Best edge scoring


    Download, open, print actual size 100%
    Exterior border measures 7.5x10 inches as a check
    Center dot is 0.10" diameter, each ring is 0.10" larger
    5 ring is 0.55" diameter

    No, it won't be easy, basically a 1 moa scoring zone for each shot.
    Supposed to be a challenge, right?
    sJb9yGTIN3wrjVD1Cj647k2vb6HvpEVOQNkF2Qx-iFsRtEBTCaAyT1aIVKyNRJmqjT3erCnIt0hpw6b3KQ=s18

    50 yards I assume? Sadly my range only has 25 and 100.
     
    50 yards? That'd be too easy....that's for 100 yards LP.
    Ought to be enough of a challenge to keep us focused on what we're doing.
    Need an ES of less than 40 fps to keep things in the scoring zone.
    Wind judgment will be critical...better keep an eye on those flags and environmentals.
    Give the 5 groups of ten shots a try, then the score targets, all at 100 yards.
     
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    Here is my submission to get this started. I shot it with 2 rifles today and it was pretty hard to hold it together for 50 rounds never mind 100 rounds. The conditions were pretty good today with light winds that were mostly calm, but I think I may have been caught by one or two sub 5mph gusts. I feel like I can do better, it is funny how my first group of each target (the top right) is considerably better than the rest. Fatigue definitely plays a role in this challenge! I did not rest between groups, I shot both targets in less than 30 minutes total including loading magazines! I also feel like sub 60f air temp 22lr looses its cutting edge accuracy, so there is room for improvement there too (but here in Maine I don’t expect to have a chance to shoot in 60f or higher temps for at least 7 more months...).

    First up is my Anschutz that has a Benchmark 15t 3 groove installed by Mark Penrod:
    View attachment 7167666

    Next is my Vudoo V22 with a 20” Ace:
    View attachment 7167667
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    JB:

    A couple of questions. First did you use a rear bag in addition to the bipod as the support system? Or was it a bipod and your shoulder as the support system?

    Secondly, I presume your POA was the center of the disk for all shots. What I find interesting is the differences in the offset of the group centers from the POA. Could even a slight wind cause that?

    RLS
     
    Or we can just print 8.5x11 to keep it cheap...

    Score is 10 down to 5 with zero for anything outside the 5 ring.
    Best edge scoring


    Download, open, print actual size 100%
    Exterior border measures 7.5x10 inches as a check
    Center dot is 0.10" diameter, each ring is 0.10" larger
    5 ring is 0.55" diameter

    No, it won't be easy, basically a 1 moa scoring zone for each shot.
    Supposed to be a challenge, right?
    sJb9yGTIN3wrjVD1Cj647k2vb6HvpEVOQNkF2Qx-iFsRtEBTCaAyT1aIVKyNRJmqjT3erCnIt0hpw6b3KQ=s18
    At 100 yards 1 MOA=1.047" so a disk with a diameter of 0.55" equals 0.525 MOA. Thus I do not understand "a 1 MOA scoring zone for each shot"
     
    1 moa scoring zone would be about the outside diameter of the 5 ring, 0.55 inch radius, 1.1 inch diameter.
    1/2 moa left/right/up/down from center point of bullseye.
    Just like when measuring group size, overall spread.

    With SV 22lr, 1 mph shift in wind at 90 degrees to flight path produces about 1/2 inch of lateral drift at 100 yards.
    Get any change in wind speed, or turbulence at 100 yards, and you won't end up with consistent trajectories.
    At 200 yards there are times I wonder if I'm even going to stay on the backer. :(


    Here's a link to an easy to use ballistic calculator:


    Select the cartridge desired and use the advanced options to vary wind speed and directions.
    Handy and free, I use it at the range to adjust between cartridges.
     
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    JB:

    A couple of questions. First did you use a rear bag in addition to the bipod as the support system? Or was it a bipod and your shoulder as the support system?

    Secondly, I presume your POA was the center of the disk for all shots. What I find interesting is the differences in the offset of the group centers from the POA. Could even a slight wind cause that?

    RLS

    I use a Tab rear bag when I shoot prone:


    you can see it in the picture I posted of the rifles, it’s under my Vudoo.

    yes POA is the center, the Anschutz has a scope on it that came off a different rifle and that ends up slightly right of center at 100 yards & I just have never bothered to adjust the zero because I hardly ever shoot it. The wind was coming in around 7 O‘clock which accounts for the slight vertical in the groups.
     
    Gents:

    Thanks for the enlightenment. To me the diameter of a disk is the length of a line passing through the center from one edge to another. But just words.

    An alternative to justin's score shooting would be binary score shooting. Chose a distance, say 50 yards or 100 yards, diameter of the disk, number of shots per disk and number of disks per target. If the center of the bullet hole lies within the disk one point and if not zero. For a 5 x 10 target maximum score is 50. The advantage is ease of calculating the score. Depending on your marksmanship either count the shots inside or outside. I would think a 1" disk at 100 yards would be a very stringent test of equipment and marksmanship. If too easy, just reduce the diameter of the disk or require all of the bullet hole to lie within the disk. If too hard, score one if any part of bullet hole touches the disk.
     
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    Lots of good ideas, if you guys think a scoring system would be more popular and challenging let’s get the details sorted out. I don’t mind managing the thread. I would only suggest that we keep it as simple as possible to make it as easy as we can for everyone to participate.
     
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    this sounds like a great idea I ordered a vudoo on September 30th as soon as it gets here I'm going to shoot a few rounds see what it likes and then I will try this challenge sounds like fun I have a nanny an rpr Anna Winchester 54 I may use and try it with also hell I may break out the golden 39a in the Smith & Wesson MP 22 and try those at a hundred this is a challenge I want to try I have access to a hundred yards this is a really good idea making a hundred yards I have to drive quite a ways to get access to the anything longer until I get back to New Mexico sorry for being so long-winded but this sounds fun
     
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    I kind of like the idea of group size because you can use any target.

    I use a bi-pod and rear bag. We have several long range matches locally and they all are bi-pod or front bag with a rear bag off the bench.

    I hope to get a chance to try this in the next few days.
     
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    This thread is the 5x10 for group size at 100 yards.
    See what happens with shooting for score if jbell has the time and inclination.
     
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    I had a quick trip to the range after work today and only had about 45 minutes until sunset. I rushed this a bit more than I should but I wanted to get 50 rounds down with both rifles. It took me less than 30 minutes Including setting up targets, getting the rifles out, loading magazines, & shooting both targets.
    I shot the Vudoo first (left to right top to bottom) and you can clearly see that it took me a bit to settle down. I was happy to see the cold bore right in the group, I was 0.1 mil high and adjusted after the first group.

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    I had settled down a little by the time I shot the Anschut, but as you can see I didn’t start shooting decent until I had 15-18 rounds down. This is all on me today, I should have slowed down. There is more accuracy in this Anschutz
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    I had a quick trip to the range after work today and only had about 45 minutes until sunset. I rushed this a bit more than I should but I wanted to get 50 rounds down with both rifles. It took me less than 30 minutes Including setting up targets, getting the rifles out, loading magazines, & shooting both targets.
    I shot the Vudoo first (left to right top to bottom) and you can clearly see that it took me a bit to settle down. I was happy to see the cold bore right in the group, I was 0.1 mil high and adjusted after the first group.

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    I had settled down a little by the time I shot the Anschut, but as you can see I didn’t start shooting decent until I had 15-18 rounds down. This is all on me today, I should have slowed down. There is more accuracy in this Anschutz
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    Thats some mighty fine shooting!!
    DW
     
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    50 yards? That'd be too easy....that's for 100 yards LP.
    Ought to be enough of a challenge to keep us focused on what we're doing.
    Need an ES of less than 40 fps to keep things in the scoring zone.
    Wind judgment will be critical...better keep an eye on those flags and environmentals.
    Give the 5 groups of ten shots a try, then the score targets, all at 100 yards.

    I can see this is going to damage my ego terribly. Thanks JA! o_O

    Would like to get out an try this and the new Ruger Security 9 I just bought, but it's 4 deg F with 6-8" (drifted) new snow. Gotta get John Deere warmed up and plowing.
     
    I had a quick trip to the range after work today and only had about 45 minutes until sunset. I rushed this a bit more than I should but I wanted to get 50 rounds down with both rifles. It took me less than 30 minutes Including setting up targets, getting the rifles out, loading magazines, & shooting both targets.
    I shot the Vudoo first (left to right top to bottom) and you can clearly see that it took me a bit to settle down. I was happy to see the cold bore right in the group, I was 0.1 mil high and adjusted after the first group.

    View attachment 7173424
    I had settled down a little by the time I shot the Anschut, but as you can see I didn’t start shooting decent until I had 15-18 rounds down. This is all on me today, I should have slowed down. There is more accuracy in this Anschutz
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    JB:

    My question concerns metrology. Do you really think you can accurately measure distances to 0.001"? Among other factors your calipers may have a resolution of 0.001" but have they been calibrated? I am not certain that a reading of 0.000" when jaws, or whatever is the correct technical term is, are closed guarantees 0.001" accuracy at 1.000". Anyway, a very great thanks to you and the other guys that do the precision testing.

    RLS
     
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    I had just installed a Nightforce 7-35 on my Vudoo and was shooting a few groups at 100 yards. The first 2 groups were with SK Biathlon. I wasn't very happy with the second group, so I switched to Midas and shot a group. Then I realized I was halfway to a 10x5. oops I meant 5x10. ;) Average was 1.1588 and best group was .870. Shooting out my garage window. Front bipod and rear bag. The picture of the rifle still has the Vortex scope.
     
    JB:

    My question concerns metrology. Do you really think you can accurately measure distances to 0.001"? Among other factors your calipers may have a resolution of 0.001" but have they been calibrated? I am not certain that a reading of 0.000" when jaws, or whatever is the correct technical term is, are closed guarantees 0.001" accuracy at 1.000". Anyway, a very great thanks to you and the other guys that do the precision testing.

    RLS

    Can I measure to within 0.001” with my calipers, yes most definitely if I’m measuring something solid like machined steel or a hard polymer. I have confirmed this hundreds of times (in my day job building engines) by checking my calipers against my micrometers that have a vernier scale on them that can resolve down to 0.0001” (one ten thousandths).

    But to your question can I measure groups down to 0.001”, probably not. I am sure I get fairly close, but there is also the question of how to determine center of the hole and the variables that introduces. Years ago many of us had that conversation in the 6X5 thread. We came to the general consensus to measure as best you can to the outer black ring around the actual hole and then subtract 0.222”. This was just to put everyone on the same page. The paper you use for the target, the backer you attach the paper to, how tightly it is attached to the backer, and the humidity are just a few things that can change how big the bullet hole is. So it is super hard to be accurate to 0.001” when measuring mechanically. The electric software for measuring is great if you can see individual bullet holes and the picture was taken dead straight on but if you have a very tight group or take the picture at an off angle you can induce some inaccuracies into the software. So I don’t think there is a dead certain way to accurately measure groups. The only fair way to put everyone on the same playing field is have 1 person who has a lot of experience to measure every group, the actual size may not be 100% but the differences between groups should be accurate.

    But the good thing is it doesn’t really matter here, this is just all for fun and to push each one of us to improve and hopefully allow us to learn from others. At least that is all I’m trying to accomplish here and in the 6X5, I’m certainly not try to win the internet or anything like that. Nor do I want anyone to take this too serious, just have fun with it.
     
    Can I measure to within 0.001” with my calipers, yes most definitely if I’m measuring something solid like machined steel or a hard polymer. I have confirmed this hundreds of times (in my day job building engines) by checking my calipers against my micrometers that have a vernier scale on them that can resolve down to 0.0001” (one ten thousandths).

    But to your question can I measure groups down to 0.001”, probably not. I am sure I get fairly close, but there is also the question of how to determine center of the hole and the variables that introduces. Years ago many of us had that conversation in the 6X5 thread. We came to the general consensus to measure as best you can to the outer black ring around the actual hole and then subtract 0.222”. This was just to put everyone on the same page. The paper you use for the target, the backer you attach the paper to, how tightly it is attached to the backer, and the humidity are just a few things that can change how big the bullet hole is. So it is super hard to be accurate to 0.001” when measuring mechanically. The electric software for measuring is great if you can see individual bullet holes and the picture was taken dead straight on but if you have a very tight group or take the picture at an off angle you can induce some inaccuracies into the software. So I don’t think there is a dead certain way to accurately measure groups. The only fair way to put everyone on the same playing field is have 1 person who has a lot of experience to measure every group, the actual size may not be 100% but the differences between groups should be accurate.

    But the good thing is it doesn’t really matter here, this is just all for fun and to push each one of us to improve and hopefully allow us to learn from others. At least that is all I’m trying to accomplish here and in the 6X5, I’m certainly not try to win the internet or anything like that. Nor do I want anyone to take this too serious, just have fun with it.

    Excellent comment.
     
    Here is my submission to get this started. I shot it with 2 rifles today and it was pretty hard to hold it together for 50 rounds never mind 100 rounds. The conditions were pretty good today with light winds that were mostly calm, but I think I may have been caught by one or two sub 5mph gusts. I feel like I can do better, it is funny how my first group of each target (the top right) is considerably better than the rest. Fatigue definitely plays a role in this challenge! I did not rest between groups, I shot both targets in less than 30 minutes total including loading magazines! I also feel like sub 60f air temp 22lr looses its cutting edge accuracy, so there is room for improvement there too (but here in Maine I don’t expect to have a chance to shoot in 60f or higher temps for at least 7 more months...).

    First up is my Anschutz that has a Benchmark 15t 3 groove installed by Mark Penrod:
    View attachment 7167666

    Next is my Vudoo V22 with a 20” Ace:
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    Which gun do you like the best.... If you could only have one?
     
    Which gun do you like the best.... If you could only have one?

    that is a question I ask myself so often...

    I have been shooting Anschutz rifles for a long time and truly love them, I love blued steel and wood. Also if I had to only shoot 1 discipline for the rest of my life it would be 3P rimfire so again that is another vote for the Anschutz. In my mind when I’m not shooting I like the Anschutz better, but when I go to the range and shoot them both side by side the choice is easy Vudoo. I have listed the Anschutz for sale and got a lot of great offers but I could just never sell it. What I am going to end up doing is selling my Vudoo barreled action at some point and building another one exactly how I want it (longer unthread barrel in a faster twist, like I built my Anschut). my only hesitation is that my Vudoo shoots so good.

    For specifics as to why I like the Vudoo better the action and magazine system is just so damn good. It’s unlike any other rimfire I have ever shot or owned.
     
    that is a question I ask myself so often...

    I have been shooting Anschutz rifles for a long time and truly love them, I love blued steel and wood. Also if I had to only shoot 1 discipline for the rest of my life it would be 3P rimfire so again that is another vote for the Anschutz. In my mind when I’m not shooting I like the Anschutz better, but when I go to the range and shoot them both side by side the choice is easy Vudoo. I have listed the Anschutz for sale and got a lot of great offers but I could just never sell it. What I am going to end up doing is selling my Vudoo barreled action at some point and building another one exactly how I want it (longer unthread barrel in a faster twist, like I built my Anschut). my only hesitation is that my Vudoo shoots so good.

    For specifics as to why I like the Vudoo better the action and magazine system is just so damn good. It’s unlike any other rimfire I have ever shot or owned.
    JB:

    I presume you mean building another Vudoo. Would ity mean ordering a barrel from Benchmark in a 1:15 twist and having a gunsmith cut the barrel to length and thread the receiver end?

    Do you prefer the Anschutz for 3P because of ergonomics? Perhaps deriving from familiarity? Your Anschutz-Vudoo 5 x 10 shoot-off showed the two rifles had very similar accuracy.

    Many thanks,

    RLS
     
    that is a question I ask myself so often...

    I have been shooting Anschutz rifles for a long time and truly love them, I love blued steel and wood. Also if I had to only shoot 1 discipline for the rest of my life it would be 3P rimfire so again that is another vote for the Anschutz. In my mind when I’m not shooting I like the Anschutz better, but when I go to the range and shoot them both side by side the choice is easy Vudoo. I have listed the Anschutz for sale and got a lot of great offers but I could just never sell it. What I am going to end up doing is selling my Vudoo barreled action at some point and building another one exactly how I want it (longer unthread barrel in a faster twist, like I built my Anschut). my only hesitation is that my Vudoo shoots so good.

    For specifics as to why I like the Vudoo better the action and magazine system is just so damn good. It’s unlike any other rimfire I have ever shot or owned.
    JBell.... I too love blue steel ad the beauty of wood, there is nothing like it. The only problem with it is, I sweat a lot and the salt and moisture get onto the stocks. The check riser on my CZ Royal is not as a riser but something to protect the wood. And my Annies have a rubber butt pad that is not for LOP but to give the butt pad some gription. The standard butt pad is a hard, slippery. For me, the biggest downer with my Annies is the mag release. The bottom line is that I like all of my guns and am glad that I don't need to pick just one. If I had to pick one scope, that would be easy.... it would be my Trijicons. They are 5 - 50 x 56s
     

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    JB:

    I presume you mean building another Vudoo. Would ity mean ordering a barrel from Benchmark in a 1:15 twist and having a gunsmith cut the barrel to length and thread the receiver end?

    Do you prefer the Anschutz for 3P because of ergonomics? Perhaps deriving from familiarity? Your Anschutz-Vudoo 5 x 10 shoot-off showed the two rifles had very similar accuracy.

    Many thanks,

    RLS

    Yes, I would order a 15t 3 grove Benchmark and send it to VGW for them to install. I would more than likely let them set the chamber up however they see fit, have them crown it based on slugging the bore. I would not have it threaded for a suppressor as I will never shoot a precision rimfire with a suppressor. I have no doubt that VGW will do as good of a job as anyone in the business, I just have a few preferences in a rifle that they don’t offer.

    As far as the 3P thing, I just love that discipline more than any other. I would rather watch the ISSF world finals in 3P or 50m prone rifle than any other shooting event. I wish there was a series close to me so I could start shooting it.
     
    jbell mentioned this thread elsewhere and I thought I'd bump it.

    This picture is 30 consecutive shots at 140 yards. I was chronographing and used this Pepper Popper as an aiming point. The cap of the ink pen including the clip is 2 1/2". I like to shoot a lot of shots in a group.
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    I feel like this thread didn’t make it because it test the shooter, not the equipment. Kinda like a comment I remember from Frank a while ago about the attention to the gear threads and not the training and technique section.
     
    I feel like this thread didn’t make it because it test the shooter, not the equipment. Kinda like a comment I remember from Frank a while ago about the attention to the gear threads and not the training and technique section.

    Yeah maybe... It is a good drill to help keep your focus longer. As mentioned in another thread thee next time I do this I am going to focus on keeping the groups centered up on the target. I am looking forward to getting my next rimfire built and giving this another go.
     
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    I am setting up a new rimfire. This will be ran as well as the 6x5
     
    Good point Bill, Ill change the name...

    I thought about not including the prone thing in the “rules” specifically for that reason, I do not want to exclude anyone from participating. I was more trying to say that with this being 10 round groups I think people should be steering the rifle as opposed to using a solid mechanical style rest like a vise or a one piece sled of some sort. I’ll make a change to that part also, I really hope to see you give this a whirl. I am looking forward to seeing what the Hide can produce with this course of fire!

    If anyone has any suggestions, thoughts, ideas, complaints, or what not please let me know!
    jbell, I'll be shooting both the 6x5 and this new 5x10 in the next few weeks. My range is expected to be open again on May 1st and I am so looking forward to shooting again. In the mean time, I created a target that can be used for both the 6x5 and 5x10 "matches". I've attached a copy so if anyone needs a consistent target to shoot at both distances, just fill in the information in the header, and fire away...

    Thanks very much for coordinating these "matches".

    Take care!
     

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    I really wanted to do that but I thought this format may draw more shooters because you can make your own targets.

    I may order some of those targets and start that up...
    jbell, if you want a "shoot for score" challenge at 100 yards, and for it to be a challenge, why not shoot a PSL, ARA or USBR target? 25 bulls but you could designate the top row for sighters, and shoot 20 for score. Readily available and would be a challenge at 100 yards, instead of the normal 50 yard distance.

    Just a thought.

    Take care!
     
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    Good idea, I have been thinking about a score challenge. We had one years ago but it died quick. The trouble with a score target is needing people to purchase targets to keep it all equal.
     
    Good idea, I have been thinking about a score challenge. We had one years ago but it died quick. The trouble with a score target is needing people to purchase targets to keep it all equal.
    Ahh, good point. I am a Co-Director of a monthly Postal Match and I coordinate the creation of targets. I attached an example I made for the 6x5 and 5x10 group size target a couple of posts back today. I have a couple of targets that may work well at 100 yards if you are interested, and they can be modified to meet your needs. Just let me know and I would be glad to send you a few examples, and modify as you think is needed so we can post a score target for everyone to download, print and shoot. I would be glad to help as needed.

    Take care!
     
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    As an third alternative I have attached the targets I created for my supported shooting. Simple dot shooting, 25 dots 0.5" in diameter for 50 yd, 25 dots 1.0" in diameter for 100 yd and one dot 2.0" in diameter for 200 yd. The initial COF will be first 25 shots at 50 yd, then 25 shots at 100 yd and finally 25 shots at 200 yd. Once have mastered ballistic turrets will go 50, 200, 100, 50, 100, 200...or some such. Being optimistic initially will have two scores, one point if bullet hole is entirely within the disk, zero if not. If reality intervenes and score is embarrassingly low, then one point if edge of bullet hole touches disk, two if entirely within disk and zero otherwise. Initially no time limit but later could be.
    Dot-50yd.jpgDot-100yd.jpgDot-200yd.jpg
     

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    Good idea, I have been thinking about a score challenge. We had one years ago but it died quick. The trouble with a score target is needing people to purchase targets to keep it all equal.
    Here are some standard Rimfire F-Class score targets 50m 100m and 200m
     

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