Posted this at another gun forum so figured I'd post here too. I swear this guy echos my EXACT feelings about open carry.
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This kind of thing is not helping our cause....the Dude doing the video, I mean. He comes off as a jackass trying to get someone shot or terrified.
This is not the day and age to be carrying something regular folks see as a machine gun down the street.
My opinion.
VooDoo
This is not the day and age to be carrying something regular folks see as a machine gun down the street.
My opinion.
VooDoo
This guy is an idiot. 2A Audit? WTF? Risking an altercation with Police or even being shot for likes on YouTube is the excact definition of Idiotocracy! Spot on Vodoun hes not helping the cause.
What a fucking dumbass...
If he wants to "help" the 2nd Amendment, there are far more productive and beneficial ways of making people aware of how important the RKBA is. Through grassroots activism, online literature, promoting traditional shooting sports like SASS/N-SSA/NCOWS, take up gunsmithing and being an active member of the community........Hell, shit that my ass was doing since I finished high school.
Walking around in broad daylight, in an age where we got random psychos inflicting mass carnage in target rich environments, brandishing a weapon that many folks out there have been conditioned to find "scary", and displaying it like an arrogant prick for no good reason...Yeah, what do you think might happen??? In the best case, your "2A rights" ain't going to be lasting long...
If he wants to "help" the 2nd Amendment, there are far more productive and beneficial ways of making people aware of how important the RKBA is. Through grassroots activism, online literature, promoting traditional shooting sports like SASS/N-SSA/NCOWS, take up gunsmithing and being an active member of the community........Hell, shit that my ass was doing since I finished high school.
Walking around in broad daylight, in an age where we got random psychos inflicting mass carnage in target rich environments, brandishing a weapon that many folks out there have been conditioned to find "scary", and displaying it like an arrogant prick for no good reason...Yeah, what do you think might happen??? In the best case, your "2A rights" ain't going to be lasting long...
The guy is a troll. He is trolling police officers who have better things to do. And he demeaning the character, and the intent, of the pro-gun individuals nationwide.
If I saw an individual walking around the park, or in any other place besides hunting, with a rifle slung on their shoulder I would call the police as well. The general public has no idea if it’s a pistol or if it’s a rifle. I personally feel that AR are pistols have no purpose other than skirting NFA regulations.
This this individual’s actions and the actions of individuals like him will result in the NFA reversing their ruling on pistol braces.
If I saw an individual walking around the park, or in any other place besides hunting, with a rifle slung on their shoulder I would call the police as well. The general public has no idea if it’s a pistol or if it’s a rifle. I personally feel that AR are pistols have no purpose other than skirting NFA regulations.
This this individual’s actions and the actions of individuals like him will result in the NFA reversing their ruling on pistol braces.
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How many here would confront this tool if you were in the park at the same time? I would. I dont want some Jack wagon carrying an ar around my kids.
He talked about Tulsa. Now the cops there may see any call of this type as a cry wolf situation. Thanks OP for getting my BP up this morning.
He talked about Tulsa. Now the cops there may see any call of this type as a cry wolf situation. Thanks OP for getting my BP up this morning.
The Open Carry guys ruined it for California
They Got open carry banned statewide...
It's not the way to get moms of the world comfortable with firearms.
You need to win the hearts and minds of Moms to be pro gun and anti criminal
They Got open carry banned statewide...
It's not the way to get moms of the world comfortable with firearms.
You need to win the hearts and minds of Moms to be pro gun and anti criminal
This is where the age old proverb: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" will apply perfectly here.
There are a lot of places where it is fully and perfectly legal to carry around a rifle or shotgun, including an AR-15, in a public venue and the streets.
Is the law good? It's called freedom.
Is it a good idea to do it for no good reason? Probably not.
Would I do it? Hell no. Unless I am participating in a reenactment like an Old West event where historical outfits and firearms are appropriate and expected. OR, I am attending a well planned and officially sanctioned gun rights event where people open-carrying rifles will be there to give a statement and have a presence.
Out of the blue, strapping an AR to my back and appearing among a crowd of early morning commuters or folks getting lunch for their break? Unless you want a MASSIVE LE response focused directly upon you, creating a public disturbance and very possibly getting shot or facing prison time for the disturbance that you have triggered, it's just not a good idea.
Even in the Old West days, people did not walk around with guns just for the hell of it, despite what Hollywood wants you to believe. Most long arms and shotguns were kept in saddle holsters. A horse tethered to a stake with the butt of a rifle sticking out of a leather case? Perfectly normal. That's a 'trunk gun' of it's day. A guy walking around town carrying the same rifle with him? You bet many folks would be quite uneasy, knowing that some shit is about to go down somewhere. Same thing with pistols. Concealed carry is not a "modern" phenomenon. People back then invested heavily on inner-coat holsters, shoulder rigs, and interchangeable short barrels for their revolvers much like the concealed carry market of today. Rifle "socks" and cases were also a big thing back then too, for apparent reasons.
Thank God open carry is a constitutional right in my state, affirmed by the state supreme court.
Chicken little charges like those mentioned by BSC will not stick here.
The Californians ruined California. People do this crap to themselves unfortunately with the help of 24hr propaganda.
What are traditional shooting sports?
Which are not traditional? Does that mean they shouldn't be supported? Supressed?
I agree with you except that there isn't a law that lets you do something. Freedom does that. Laws do the opposite.
States requiring or allowing only open carry is an infringement on your rights.
It is known that most people do not wish to draw attention or cause alarm.
Open carrying a firearm does both draws attention and causes alarm.
They are trying to put you in duress and cause you to not not carry your firearm by "embarassing" you in public.
Its a ban by personal choice.
I support those that open carry when the state is trying to back door their rights by other means.
If you are going open carry as a means to say "fuck you" than open carry as the excercise of your Second amendment right not to "audit" the govt response.
Unless it is your habit to carry an AR pistol as your daily carry doing so for the shock and awe effect is dumb and creates enemies.
Didnt watch the whole video.
The PD looks squared away - everyone seems to meet height/weight standards. Didnt see any overly aggressive response action and I dont think they respond to "Man on bike path with pistol and "rifle" calls every day.
Initial impression is the bald cop was the most perturbed by this call. Strikes me he was thinking the subject a total dickwad and Im guessing had he been first on scene could have taken camera guys bait. Just my hunch and besides we all know shaved bald guys are hot heads so pissed at their loss of hair they go extreme and total brazilian their heads.
So if you live in an open carry only state do it but please be the best Boy Scout looking representative you can be. "Fuck yeah! 'Murica" shirts should be avoided in favor of casual business attire.....and open carry the appropriate personal defense firearm....not the shock and awe weapon to get a response. If an AR pistol is your chosen PDW though....well go for it!
Someone recently posted the "right way/wrong way" of open carry and it shows two guys in business attire vs the two guys looking ike a mess in the camo gear. Its a good post. Sure it sucks that you must consider such to excercise your natural right but lets consider the presentation and consideration of the general public.
It is known that most people do not wish to draw attention or cause alarm.
Open carrying a firearm does both draws attention and causes alarm.
They are trying to put you in duress and cause you to not not carry your firearm by "embarassing" you in public.
Its a ban by personal choice.
I support those that open carry when the state is trying to back door their rights by other means.
If you are going open carry as a means to say "fuck you" than open carry as the excercise of your Second amendment right not to "audit" the govt response.
Unless it is your habit to carry an AR pistol as your daily carry doing so for the shock and awe effect is dumb and creates enemies.
Didnt watch the whole video.
The PD looks squared away - everyone seems to meet height/weight standards. Didnt see any overly aggressive response action and I dont think they respond to "Man on bike path with pistol and "rifle" calls every day.
Initial impression is the bald cop was the most perturbed by this call. Strikes me he was thinking the subject a total dickwad and Im guessing had he been first on scene could have taken camera guys bait. Just my hunch and besides we all know shaved bald guys are hot heads so pissed at their loss of hair they go extreme and total brazilian their heads.
So if you live in an open carry only state do it but please be the best Boy Scout looking representative you can be. "Fuck yeah! 'Murica" shirts should be avoided in favor of casual business attire.....and open carry the appropriate personal defense firearm....not the shock and awe weapon to get a response. If an AR pistol is your chosen PDW though....well go for it!
Someone recently posted the "right way/wrong way" of open carry and it shows two guys in business attire vs the two guys looking ike a mess in the camo gear. Its a good post. Sure it sucks that you must consider such to excercise your natural right but lets consider the presentation and consideration of the general public.
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When introducing shooting sports and the 'gun culture' to the general population which includes people of all different beliefs and perceptions about guns, I have found the best way to make positive inroads is to first get them acquainted with Old West events or Civil War/ Revolutionary War/Colonial Williamsburg type stuff. Even the most vain of the (non-political) liberals find these things fascinating and want to know more. Perfect opportunity to teach them about history and historical weapons. Then we go from there. Eventually they will learn that the modern semiautomatic AR-15 that they used to find so scary, is actually no different in intent and purpose than the Kentucky rifle in the hands of the woodsman that they adore so much. I have always found this approach to be extremely effective. Some of the young guys my own age whom I introduced to the North-South Skirmish Association a few years back have now started building their own AR's.
The "gun guy" who hosts the video pointed out that the police officers' lack of knowledge of NFA law was a problem.
I would counter that the complexity of the legal system that LE are supposed to enforce is a bigger problem. I would imagine it's impossible to be a "perfect" LEO until the legal code is simplified.
The folks on this site know the difference between the first responding officer's rifle and the cameraman's pistol. But in terms of functionality and appearance, are they really different enough to merit the distinction they receive in the legal books?
Repeal NFA!
I would counter that the complexity of the legal system that LE are supposed to enforce is a bigger problem. I would imagine it's impossible to be a "perfect" LEO until the legal code is simplified.
The folks on this site know the difference between the first responding officer's rifle and the cameraman's pistol. But in terms of functionality and appearance, are they really different enough to merit the distinction they receive in the legal books?
Repeal NFA!
Cops are not "gun guys".
Few know shit about firearms.
Put a single action Colt on a table and ask 12 cops to unload it I bet 2/3s will be in a quandry regards how to make it clear and safe.
Anti gun states make unclear laws so as to confuse, harass, and muddy the understanding of the law.
Second amendment is pretty clear and should supersede any local/state law but - SCOTUS.
Expanding the legal code is a two part process....
A - Increase control
B - Provide a means for some useless pol to claim how useful he is by authoring some bill that is already covered under a related charge
The entire "code" could probably be filtered down to the Golden Rule, a few of the Ten Commandmants and Negligence.
Few know shit about firearms.
Put a single action Colt on a table and ask 12 cops to unload it I bet 2/3s will be in a quandry regards how to make it clear and safe.
Anti gun states make unclear laws so as to confuse, harass, and muddy the understanding of the law.
Second amendment is pretty clear and should supersede any local/state law but - SCOTUS.
Expanding the legal code is a two part process....
A - Increase control
B - Provide a means for some useless pol to claim how useful he is by authoring some bill that is already covered under a related charge
The entire "code" could probably be filtered down to the Golden Rule, a few of the Ten Commandmants and Negligence.
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That's your personal opinion and one that is not shared by many. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that says your approach is no more effective than taking someone to the range to watch a USPSA or 3-gun match.
They are building those ARs to better kill you with. Never ever teach a lefty to shoot. They are incapable of rational thought or they wouldnt see the world as they do. Please dont do that again.
As pointed out above, cops are not gun guys. Many of them have no understanding of the NFA, or other laws. It would be nice if they did, but they are really the street labor for DA's. So most view cursory knowledge as acceptable.
Again, Police officers are like fishermen. They cast a wide net, and then leave it to the more experienced to determine what to keep or throw back.
Again, Police officers are like fishermen. They cast a wide net, and then leave it to the more experienced to determine what to keep or throw back.
Those cops were great. Reasoned with him. I would have had some much more choice words for him. Like "Youre a fucking moron."
That's a great question - If I were walking my dogs and with my Wife in a park (i frequently *do* walk in public parks) and spotted this guy with a tricked our AR Pistol I'd likely dial 911 and get my Family off to somewhere safe while covering their flight. I carry all the time/everywhere it's legal. In fact the local Rangers suggest one *definitely* carry if they are properly licensed where I live.
I'd not confront this guy for obvious reasons but if he even blinked wrong and I got the impression that I was in fear for my Life or my Families welfare for a second Dude would have started a gunfight. One or both of us and possibly others could have been killed.
The guy shooting the video is a moron. These are the kinds of people who will get more restriction and laws about carrying enacted. Thanks Dick Head.
VooDoo
I'd not confront this guy for obvious reasons but if he even blinked wrong and I got the impression that I was in fear for my Life or my Families welfare for a second Dude would have started a gunfight. One or both of us and possibly others could have been killed.
The guy shooting the video is a moron. These are the kinds of people who will get more restriction and laws about carrying enacted. Thanks Dick Head.
VooDoo
How do they explain the Asian guy holding the line at the Angle against Picketts oncoming hordes......or even more delicate perhaps you are part of the group in Gray? Disregard, doesnt matter. We can present different outward appearances as long as we are all red, white and blue on the inside.
Much of present firearms "gaming" is video gaming in the round.
Any of it could be appealing to those that dont understand the fun of it.
There are those that are going to be impressed by the technology of modern three gun than there are going to be those that are captured bu the nicknames like "Slim" or "Doc" and want to enjoy a Cowboy action shoot - perhaps they just want to dress like Western Belles or John Wayne.
What is absolutely the scariest thing and likely to shut them down and make them resist your introduction is the truth.....truth is so awakening in the age of lies these peeps need to be allowed to discover the truth on their own and accept it of their own free will.
The truth is that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with 3 Gun, Cowboy Shooting, hunting, or target shooting.
The reality of that truth forces the non gunner to assess themselves and most will determine they are lacking.
The truth is that access to firearms is to allow you to fight for your life.
If you early on introduce that idea to someone that is in their safe space they are going to resist.
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Those cops were great. Reasoned with him. I would have had some much more choice words for him. Like "Youre a fucking moron."
Than the camera dude would win.........
I am fully aware of that danger. That is why I have never just taught some random person how to shoot. They have to be already acquainted with my circle and share similar interests and outlooks on current events before we go into gun politics. The guys that I introduced to N-SSA, they were already part of a motorcycle board that we were heavily into, and already had a lot of interest in the Civil War and the Old West. Once they got into our N-SSA group, that pretty much ensured that they will start becoming quite pissed off at any leftists and their anti-freedom bullshit.
@308pirate : I just open such discussions and leave the 'cool' stuff out there. Those who actually show interest and similar mindset will join in and participate. Nothing is ever "pushed".
Around these parts it is actually legal to carry around a rifle or AR openly without needing any special permission.
That being said, you do so in a larger urban environment you WILL be getting a ride and a strongly worded suggestion to put that in a proper carry bag at the very least or leave it in your trunk and please carry a pistol concealed.
It's not so much the police wanting to be a pain, but the local idiot citizens who have flocked here from out of state and bring all their stupidity and commiefornication with them who tie up the 911 lines crying about .... big scary gun.... my poor children...
Also on the other side, there are a lot of wack jobs out there. You see something totally out of place, like a guy walking around with some big tricked out tactical rifle / pistolish thing in an urban setting, chances are either they are up to no good, or are an asshole out to scare people and make a point.
Now some police are asses themselves and don't like the idea of anybody but them carrying guns (including a lot of the police chiefs), but they usually don't bother you as much if they don't have an actual reason to stand on (there are exceptions as have been caught on video).
However folks that go around with guns trying to provoke a "confrontation" really need someone to "suggest" they do things a bit better.
Now I'm all for everybody walking around carrying a pistol on their side openly and a rifle slung over their back, that would be excellent in a perfect world and would cut down on crime and oppression.
However, much like walking around the park naked to protest stupid religious based nudity laws, it's something you might want to get the public on board with first before shoving it in their faces.
That being said, you do so in a larger urban environment you WILL be getting a ride and a strongly worded suggestion to put that in a proper carry bag at the very least or leave it in your trunk and please carry a pistol concealed.
It's not so much the police wanting to be a pain, but the local idiot citizens who have flocked here from out of state and bring all their stupidity and commiefornication with them who tie up the 911 lines crying about .... big scary gun.... my poor children...
Also on the other side, there are a lot of wack jobs out there. You see something totally out of place, like a guy walking around with some big tricked out tactical rifle / pistolish thing in an urban setting, chances are either they are up to no good, or are an asshole out to scare people and make a point.
Now some police are asses themselves and don't like the idea of anybody but them carrying guns (including a lot of the police chiefs), but they usually don't bother you as much if they don't have an actual reason to stand on (there are exceptions as have been caught on video).
However folks that go around with guns trying to provoke a "confrontation" really need someone to "suggest" they do things a bit better.
Now I'm all for everybody walking around carrying a pistol on their side openly and a rifle slung over their back, that would be excellent in a perfect world and would cut down on crime and oppression.
However, much like walking around the park naked to protest stupid religious based nudity laws, it's something you might want to get the public on board with first before shoving it in their faces.
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How do they explain the Asian guy holding the line at the Angle against Picketts oncoming hordes......or even more delicate perhaps you are part of the group in Gray?
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That is why I skirmish instead of reenact.
Blasting tiles and clay birds with Smith carbines and Colt revolvers does not require as much of a degree in historical accuracy as putting on a grand show for tourists and schoolkids. Though I am also present at reenactments as "support staff", without the mules though.
There were a few Chinese who actually fought in the war though, on both sides. Their stories are well documented.
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How do they explain the Asian guy holding the line at the Angle against Picketts oncoming hordes......or even more delicate perhaps you are part of the group in Gray?
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That is why I skirmish instead of reenact.
Blasting tiles and clay birds with Smith carbines and Colt revolvers does not require as much of a degree in historical accuracy as putting on a grand show for tourists and schoolkids. Though I am also present at reenactments as "support staff", without the mules though.
There were a few Chinese who actually fought in the war though, on both sides. Their stories are well documented.
There have been more head scratching incidents....
Guy is a moron. This kind of stuff does nothing but hurt our 2A cause and makes us all look like dumbasses.
Very interesting photos. During the Normandy beach landing on D-Day, US forces actually captured several Asian guys in Wehrmacht uniforms. Upon questioning, they were revealed to be Koreans. Their journey began when, upon committing various civil offenses in Japanese controlled Korea, they were forced as punishment to join the Japanese army, which was by then fully at war with China and the Soviets. Deployed to Nomohan and Ulan-Ude in Upper Mongolia against the Soviets for control of the Khalkin-Gol oilfields. Captured by the Soviets. Tortured and imprisoned in Siberia. They were then placed on the front line of Soviet penal battalions and sent, with few rifles and very little equipment, into the maelstrom at Stalingrad and elsewhere. There, they were either captured by the Germans or fled to their lines. Finally, with the Wehrmacht facing a critical shortage of fighting men by 1944, these men, along with other captured Ukrainians and Poles, were conscripted into the Ostbattalions where they eventually faced off against the Allies at Normandy.
Talk about globe-trekking straight out of hell. And they survived the experience and went on to write memoirs about it.
An epic movie made in 2010 titled My Way, made by ROK, Russia, China, and US joint efforts, told the story of their adventure.
I support the LEGALITY of Open Carry fully. I do not support the PRACTICE, except in very narrow instances where it may be necessary for your safety (as in you suddenly found yourself in an unexpected volatile situation and deep-concealment may not allow you to retrieve it in time). In addition to the views already expressed here about potential damage to 2A public sentiment, I view general OC as an unforced tactical error right off the bat. Why give any potential, unidentified foe free intel that can be used against you? A guy walks into a public place to commit a crime with a firearm and notices someone who is OC - guess who's getting shot first, without warning and from behind?
On the other hand, I'm quite happy that OC is legal in my state (and any other). For me, it means that I don't have to worry about people freaking out or getting myself arrested if, for some reason beyond my control, my concealment got compromised (and it has happened to a lot of people who took every reasonable step to prevent it). Without legal OC, those people can and have been prosecuted for "brandishing" in areas that aren't particularly gun-friendly.
On the other hand, I'm quite happy that OC is legal in my state (and any other). For me, it means that I don't have to worry about people freaking out or getting myself arrested if, for some reason beyond my control, my concealment got compromised (and it has happened to a lot of people who took every reasonable step to prevent it). Without legal OC, those people can and have been prosecuted for "brandishing" in areas that aren't particularly gun-friendly.
My CCL Instructor was a 24 year Police veteran. SWAT team lead sniper and a trainer of other officers.
He called Open Carry a "shoot me first" scenario in the event that shit was gonna hit the fan. Why would a person telegraph that he is armed unless there is a tactical advantage to doing so? Especially with a big chip on his shoulder about it. I don't get it....
VooDoo
He called Open Carry a "shoot me first" scenario in the event that shit was gonna hit the fan. Why would a person telegraph that he is armed unless there is a tactical advantage to doing so? Especially with a big chip on his shoulder about it. I don't get it....
VooDoo
Some of you people should start minding your own business and paying less attention to other people's business. Even if you think their business is your concern, it's not. It's really not.
You're going to walk around in a public park, with a F'n AR (pistol or not), with all the mass shootings that have happened, just to check the reaction/knowledge of the local P.D.??? WTF! F'n FOOLISH! AND as mentioned earlier, this d/n help our cause. I believe in the RIGHT to open carry, but I don't think we have gotten to the point of "slinging-up" our rifles, YET. Mac
I knew someone would come out with that, I should have put in "After all else was done and asking him to turn the camera off."
Jeez
They do it for the rise.
If the cops act in accordance with the Constitution its in some ways a let down.
The only time they make news is when they get the rise.
Dont give it to them.
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