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Russian contractors meet the USAF in Syria

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Got this from a retired 2-star warrior. Thought you'd enjoy.Bubba Further reporting, such as it is, on the Dair Ezzor Turkey Shoot.

1. Sov... err... Russians built a bridge over the Euphrates which was the designated 'deconfliction line'. Why? Reasons. 'Commite of Nations' or something. Engineers definitely involved.


2. 'Hybrid' force of mixed Russian contractors including multiple non-ethnic Russians (Serbs, Kossack, other non Slavics) as well as local Syrian Army 'commandos' attacked across temporary bridge. The 'Russian' side were 'Blackwater' equivalent mercenaries from a company generally called 'Wagner' which is the nom de plume of the boss. (Like if you called Blackwater 'Prince'.)
3. Unit was partially mechanized, battalion strength. (One thing everyone agrees upon is 'about 600-700 personnel.') Had some towed artillery as well as 't-55 and T-72 MBT as well as armored personnel carriers.' (Type unknown.) Full on 'we're taking that position and you're not stopping us' full court press.
4. Unit crossed bridge, arty deployed.
5. Arty opened fire while most of unit was still in approach column formation. (Normal) One portion moved to flanking positions.
5A. Minute the arty opened fire SHIT GOT REAL REAL QUICK.
6. Reapers took out artillery and most of armor with Hellfire. From the few videos, pretty much before they knew what hit them. There had to be quite a few Reaper drones up or they were feeding guidance to Hellfire from Apaches (see below.)
7. F-15E Eagles came in for clean-up and to check for anti-air defenses.
8. Warthogs showed up just to go BRRRRRRT!
9. AC-130 Spectre started fucking up their day for the hell of it.
10. To add insult to injury, B-52s which, you know, just HAPPENED to be in the area, just minding our own business, just passing by from Diego Garcia which is a few thousand miles away, on our way to... somewhere... nothing to see here... decided to prove they could drop their entire load as precision guided weapons and just more or less DID A JDAM ARCLIGHT ON THEIR ASS. At that point, more or less because CENTCOM said 'Why not? ARCLIGHT is always pretty to watch...'
11. The whole thing being so over it was ridiculous, AH-64 Apaches basically did 'hostile Bomb Damage Assessment' and complained there were no targets left.
12. Oh, and then the Kurds, to just really FUCK with these guys, released water from a dam upstream and broke their bridge. So they had to ford back with their wounded.
13. Nobody knows how many dead and wounded. Russians are saying 'only 8 Russian citizens' but that doesn't quite cover the whole of who may have been involved. One repeated number is 200 dead (remember, mixed Syrians, Russians and other ethnics) as well as pretty much the rest of the force wounded. (Not to mention pretty thoroughly demoralized.) One Kurd wounded. Probably fell off a stool laughing to tell truth.
14. Military hospitals in Russia are reliably reported 'overflowing.'
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This was much less a 'battle' than a message. Towards the end we had to just be pounding ground to make sure they got it.
Messages, really.
A. Don't fucking cross that river.B. Hey, North Korea! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!C. Hey, Putin, about Donbas... This is what we can do to your 'freedom fighters' (AKA: mercenaries) at any time.D. To everyone in general: You need to remember who's boss.
Mattis is playing dumb. 'What Russians? There were Russians? Really? I'm seeing that in the media but I got no briefing on there being Russians in that column. Our bad. Sorry about that.'
Then there's the fact that the strike was NOT approved by the President.
Because he gave CENTOM the approval on things like that.
And CENTCOM handled it like a BOSS.
Oh, and when the forces crossed the river the Russians were informed and informed that we intended to take 'self-defense' actions.
So they can't even say they weren't warned.
I'm not sure we warned them we'd be using BUFF.
This is more the sort of thing I'd expect in late summer.
'Shit! We haven't expended our budget! Are there any Russians we can fuck up very badly with all these unexpended munitions?'
 
I can imagine the Apache fags being assed up about it...nothing left to shoot.

Thanks for the insight the actions. I'd love to see some video of it.
 
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ARCLIGHT is always pretty to watch...'

Bet it sounded like rolling thunder.
 
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Russian friend says 600 + dead, Vlad not seen. Maybe he caught a cold an decided WW III with the US was a bad Idea 5 minutes into the fight. Russian people pissed at Putan as there are K's fucked up in hospitals all over Russia. Almost a complete Russian media black out via pressure from moscow. China was watching an reports say they are rethinking dicking with the US, while Trump is allowing the US Military to be a Military again. More to this story but it looks as if the world stage was changed very quickly by letting the dogs of war, do what they were trained to do. Unlike past presidents who pussy'ed up an only allowed the DOW to the end of the political chain. Wondering what is now being re-considered in N/Korea?
 
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/putins-shadow-army-suffers-a-setback-in-syria

Here is a 'mainstream lefty media' version of events. But certainly noone is denying that the event at Deir Ezzor took place. And was a 'setback' for the Russians. Yeah... a setback!

I wonder if the Russian media was told the words "sozdat maksimalny uzhas" That's "create maximum consternation" for those that don't habla! Are you listening Rocketman?

Feel good story of the week! Thanks for posting!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
Obama would have handed them Rifles and RPG's as they crossed the river. Sh!t he may have built the bridge for em.
 
Obama would have wrung his hands in indecision while our guys died.
 
I wonder if you'll be so happy about little "lessons" in this new stupid cold war of supporting terrorists vs supporting dictators if the Russians ever get pissed off enough to send back a little missile launched "lesson" of their own to our friendly terrorist "protected groups".

Funny how our government will risk major confrontations, kill plenty of people & commit lots of resources to protecting what amounts to a bunch of muslim terrorists who happen to say yes we'll take your help for a bit till we can get back to killing infidels.

Sure protect our troops, but then again if we are actually going to have troops fighting alongside muslim terrorists because we want to overthrow a dictatorship & make another failed state that the Saudis and corporations can control. Then stop being all lying about it & just come out and say it & then you could have a discussion with the Russians about what they want and what we want openly & probably carve up things as we want & then let the Syrian people enjoy the little hell on earth we are helping make.

But then the Kurds who are probably way more deserving of help and might actually be able to have a good stable government with a decent society are left twisting in the wind and we tell the Turks to "Sure go ahead, invade 2 other countries (including Iraq which we are "supposed" to be helping) and kill them all you want.

How is that for a question? Why do we commit huge resources and take major political risks to protect basically muslim terrorists & then are fine with actual decent people in the Kurds getting slaughtered now that we don't need them any more.

Truth be told however, the Kurds should see it coming, US policy for the past 40 years has been whenever we needed a bit of help or distraction, arm the Kurds and get them to fight against xxxx Then once we don't need them, give everybody a pass (including the people we were helping them fight against), a free pass to go kill as many as possible.

Could it be that the Kurds sit on a lot of Oil and are actually interested in making sure the Oil wealth helps their people & our "friendly Muslim terrorist freedom fighting allies" are also sitting on a big oil field, but are happy to let whatever western / Saudi backed concern that wants to take all they want for a pittance in exchange for a few toys?
 
You know its going to be tit for tat, but the russians titted first and then we tatted their ass. I hear what you are saying W54, and want our guys out of the ME asap but when the russians probe our side we gotta fuck them up, highway of death bad just so they know. I wake up everyday and think to myself, Fuck Russia, I was raised that way.
 
If it were up to me, I'd put the ghosts in street rags back to work. Cheaper & cleaner. Oh wait can't do that, we lost all that talent when fucking Klinton gutted those players an the Military. Well guess some folks just have to die, for those they voted in then an in 08 as well. Sad thing is those who voted the fuckers in arn't the ones dying or going to die. Kind of makes you wonder if it should be legal to kill off those voters as they are killing off those who have to protect this country by proxy.
 
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Sad thing is those who voted the fuckers in arn't the ones dying or going to die.

until one of these fuckers lights off a VBID near an event, blows up a school bus or starts setting up EFPs on the side of the interstate. How long before it happens here?

(changing response to w54)
I don't claim to know how to fix the world, but I know if America sends one guy over to that shithole they are obligated to bring hell down upon earth to try to get him home safe. It should never be an afterthought becuase of politics. Our policy has no consistency, which breeds shit like this. I agree we have fucked the Kurds, repeatedly.
 
Verily , they have been smitten . Nice op , exercises are useful , but a
real deal highly coordinated demonstration like this , will hopefully have
been noticed elsewhere .
 
Can Mattis be SecDef and chairman of the FFC at the same time because he just sent a loud and clear message to the entire world?
 
how's that living in fear worked for ya?

if you want the world to respect the power of our military, you have to let the dog bite when someone takes a shot at ya. make an example out of them. you do that, and show them you aint fucking playin, and diplomacy has a chance.
we will never know the amount of lives saved by taking this quick decisive action. there is a lot of mileage coming from this one. and if it happens again? and whomever gets the next hard lesson? well, that'll go a long way to unfucking the world.

the muzzle has been on for far too long. boo-boo, ba-boo-boo....news flash....it aint on anymore.
 
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/putins-shadow-army-suffers-a-setback-in-syria

Here is a 'mainstream lefty media' version of events. But certainly noone is denying that the event at Deir Ezzor took place. And was a 'setback' for the Russians. Yeah... a setback!

I wonder if the Russian media was told the words "sozdat maksimalny uzhas" That's "create maximum consternation" for those that don't habla! Are you listening Rocketman?

Feel good story of the week! Thanks for posting!

Cheers,

Sirhr
You should see the non-public stuff on this...holy crikey. They got seriously corn holed...
 
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we will never know the amount of lives saved by taking this quick decisive action.

However we can count at least some of the tens of thousands of lives of other people (but I guess they don't matter) that have been killed & the millions displaced due to our half baked, half covert, half cooked up, half followed through, ever changing, devoid of any end game, never fully explained or communicated to anyone, strategy in Syria.

So we got to show how the world's best Air Force can wipe out a thousand or so soldiers that have no effective air cover really quickly. Possibly maybe show the Russians that they best not mess with these specific terrorist buddies of ours on this one oil field / pipeline route, till we get somebody to sign over the oil and pipeline transit rights for the area. Why are we going to all this trouble to protect one group of "freedom fighters" who are basically Muslim extremists, but we are more than happy to let anyone and everyone including our "friends" the evil Turks kill as many of the Kurds who would make much better "allies" than most anyone else in the region. What about the Kurds fighting for "freedom"? how come we only care about our special little group of Saudi approved extremest fighters? Did the Kurds forget to sign over all their oil forever to one of our companies?

If we actually bombed the Turks when they invaded Iraq and Syria to kill Kurds (who were supposedly our "allies" in the fight against ISIS) then we would actually have a bit of respect and be able to claim the high moral ground.

(Without the huge pile of funding / arming from the CIA and our Gulf "allies" there never would have been a "civil war" in Syria & most likely no rise of ISIS. We can't say we feel anything for "freedom yearning" people when we pretended the insanely BRUTAL crackdowns on "freedom yearning" protesters in our "favorite" gulf states didn't happen).

At least for the mess Iraq became, we at least went in with a publicly stated plan and an idea of what we wanted & openly tried to get it done honestly.

If the Saudis and the Israelis prefer Syria to be another failed state and hotbed of random warlords and terrorists, let them have fun fighting it out with everybody else there directly, why are we there? What do we have to gain for all our trouble, expense? How is it doing anything that will do much more than just make sure that more people and more generations continue to hate us and make it easier for extremists to have footholds?
 
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Because if we do nothing, we know what will happen; Iran and Russian will fill the vacuum. Think about that for a second...
 
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Because if we do nothing, we know what will happen; Iran and Russian will fill the vacuum. Think about that for a second...

If we really want to take care of that issue, then we should think about making a deal with the Kurds to openly with money, arms and military, support them getting their Kurdistan in exchange for some permanent & free bases, which would nicely sit us controlling the crossroads of Syria, Iraq, Iran & Turkey. Along with a nice place to keep watch on the southern border of Russia from.

That's how you can claim the high moral ground for propaganda sake while actually getting something really worthwhile from a strategic standpoint.
 
Yeah, but that would push Turkey towards Russia, and Kurdistan is land locked with Turkey, Syria , Iran and Iraq on all sides (as you mentioned). You'd have your own middle eastern Bastogne on your hands from the get go. You think the Kurds had it bad when Hussein was gassing the shit out of them in the 90's? This would be 10x worse.

Don't get me wrong, I (for the most part) like the Kurds (as I've mentioned previously, we worked with them extensively in Northern Iraq). But I doubt even with our help that they could survive for long, never mind the trade/economic issues. Even Israel has deep water ports to allow them to trade and have a vibrant economy; Kurdistan would not. And flying stuff in (assuming there was uncontested airspace) is not economically viable; it would have to have a deep water port to move enough material, in high enough volume to be viable (IMHO).
 
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True, however if you let a few of the major players save face you can make it easy.
Yes, ocean access is a must.

Iraq knows that at least for the next generation they will do what we say or we'll let them collapse to the wolves.
They will protest hard, but once we put our foot down and our troops down they will live with it & not make trouble.

Russia doesn't care much about the Syrian people / government, they just want to keep a firm control on their bases (which will probably happen regardless of any outcome in Syria). They also need to save face and get a win to tell the people back at home. So you carve out a bit of Syria that will be for Kurdistan, with a corridor to the ocean for us/kurds and tell the Russians they can have their bases as well and such & possibly promise them to have some "diplomatic resolution" about the issue in the Ukraine and they will probably get on board.

The Syrian government under Assad knows they are barely holding on and in no position to say no if we make an agreement with the Russians, we tell them we get Kurdistan & the port access for us/kurds & they get all the pesky "freedom fighters" nicely "resettled" somewhere else & they will be easy to force into agreement & then at a later time we can see about making it advantageous for Assad to want to retire quietly. The Syrian government will not be in any position to fight another country for decades & they are not stupid enough to fight us.

If we don't mind directly killing Russian troops, then I don't see why we should have any issues arming the Kurds with the correct amount of weapons to eventually force the Turks to come to terms with it. When the targeting systems on their F16s don't work once they fly over into Kurdistan, they'll get the message pretty quickly.

Also... if you really want to be extra Machiavellian, We pay the Turks huge sums of money for the big base that NATO (us) has there... but if they get all mad at us and decide to shut it down.... well they broke the agreement... no more money for them... just move it all over to our new free bases in Kurdistan.... No end of lease or lease breaking payment needed...

As for the Iranians, well we do need to eventually do something about them. We need to send the CIA back in there once again to mess up their government and help them overthrow the mad mullahs and then we can come to an "understanding" with them. Their military like most everyone in the region can be "Persuaded" with just the correct amount of "Gifts" to support the government... the one that doesn't have the mad mullahs as the final rulers. Since Iran has a token democratic government, it's not too hard to keep things stable while you remove the religious overlords.
They hate the Saudis more than us or Israel.... that can be to our advantage.

It would be hard to make a worse mess of it than things are right now.
 
Though the past 8 years is hardly the only time, we have essentially shoved a huge stick into a Hornet's nest all over north Africa all the way to Afganistan, at least Afghanistan and Iraq had a "plan", even if initially nieve at best,. When the ground truth was actually realized they adapted. Maybe still nieve. We haven't seen that in Libya, Egypt (thankfully their military stepped in) or Syria. Why did we do anything to any of them? At least Assad, Gadaffi and Mubarak kept the extremists under control. Horrible as they may be, that area is likely to never function like a western democracy/republic. Thinking they will ever be even as good as our corrupt neighbor to the south is fantasy.

As to arming the Kurds, I'm for it but we (as a country) need to understand that Turkey (going extreme Muslim slowly) is going to be our next Pakistan and Iran will essentially just annex Iraq. At that point, either we are back in there to stop a genocide or we stand by and watch them get killed off. If we collectively know the consequences going in, start dropping pallet.

At what point do we take a "kill 'am all, let God sort them out " approach? This shit is never going to end...
 
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I took that approach in 1980

Though the past 8 years is hardly the only time, we have essentially shoved a huge stick into a Hornet's nest all over north Africa all the way to Afganistan, at least Afghanistan and Iraq had a "plan", even if initially nieve at best,. When the ground truth was actually realized they adapted. Maybe still nieve. We haven't seen that in Libya, Egypt (thankfully their military stepped in) or Syria. Why did we do anything to any of them? At least Assad, Gadaffi and Mubarak kept the extremists under control. Horrible as they may be, that area is likely to never function like a western democracy/republic. Thinking they will ever be even as good as our corrupt neighbor to the south is fantasy.

As to arming the Kurds, I'm for it but we (as a country) need to understand that Turkey (going extreme Muslim slowly) is going to be our next Pakistan and Iran will essentially just annex Iraq. At that point, either we are back in there to stop a genocide or we stand by and watch them get killed off. If we collectively know the consequences going in, start dropping pallet.

At what point do we take a "kill 'am all, let God sort them out " approach? This shit is never going to end...
 
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I don't know who came up with sending the military somewhere as a message. If you want to send a message write a letter. The cost to the US tax payer to play political games, via the Military is a contributing factor of why we are in the shape we are.
 
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Hell, since we're talking military deployments into other countries, why don't we just annex Baja California. Cut it off at the north end of the sea of Cotez, and make a 51st state. Clean out the drug cartels, and let the economic boom commence. Less border with Mexico, lots of new labor, and something to keep the real estate moguls fighting over. At least it would solve the immigration problem at one point of entry...

Anyone up for margaritas? :)
 
I am more than happy to accept the illegals from mexico for teh Northern 1/3rd of their territory. Love the illegals for the most part but hate that they are now criminals in my country, this would be just compensation for taking in their poor.

Hell, since we're talking military deployments into other countries, why don't we just annex Baja California. Cut it off at the north end of the sea of Cotez, and make a 51st state. Clean out the drug cartels, and let the economic boom commence. Less border with Mexico, lots of new labor, and something to keep the real estate moguls fighting over. At least it would solve the immigration problem at one point of entry...

Anyone up for margaritas? :)
 
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Nice Psy Op... and some good confirmation of events.

BTW, a birdie told me that just before the air strikes hit, an American Flag was raised over, shall we say, non-Russian... ground positions... Making it very clear who (to quote ArmyJerry...) was Tat-ing! 'Merika!

Boowah hahahahh aha ha ha hah haaa...

Cheers,

Sirhr



Polygraph.info, a Voice of America project, published three recordings, which it received from a source close to the Kremlin. The source said that the recorded phone calls were made by personnel from CHVK Wagner, a Russian private military company.​


"We got our f**** a***s beat, Yankees made their point": Russian mercenaries in Syria lament U.S. strikes
Newsweek · by David Brennan · February 23, 2018
Recordings have emerged in which Russian mercenaries subjected to a joint U.S. strike that killed dozens of their comrades describe the incident as "a total fuck-up."

Polygraph.info, a Voice of America project, published three recordings, which it received from a source close to the Kremlin. The source said that the recorded phone calls were made by personnel from CHVK Wagner, a Russian private military company.

The incident in question occurred on the night of February 7-8, when Syrian government forces-backed by Russian mercenaries employed by CHVK Wagner-attempted to capture an oil refinery near the Syrian city of Deir Ezzor. After Russian personnel came into contact with American troops stationed there, the U.S. forces responded with artillery and air strikes.

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A US military convoy drives on a Syrian highway on September 29, 2017BULENT KILIC/AFP/Getty Images
Polygraph.info transcribed and translated the conversations recorded.

In the first audio clip, a man says "one squadron fucking lost 200 people ...right away, another one lost 10 people... and I don't know about the third squadron but it got torn up pretty badly, too... So three squadrons took a beating."

The man explains that American forces used artillery and helicopter gunships to repel the assault. "They were all shelling the holy fuck out of it and our guys didn't have anything besides the assault rifles... nothing at all, I'm not even talking about shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that... they tore us to pieces, put us through hell," he says.

The speaker is also critical of the Russian government's response to the incident, saying, "They beat our asses like we were little pieces of shit... but our fucking government will go in reverse now and nobody will respond or anything and nobody will punish anyone for this."

"My guys just called me, they are sitting there drinking, many are MIA, it's a total fuckup, another humiliation... nobody gives a fuck about us."

In a second clip, a man explains that the battle quickly descended into a massacre as the Russians lost all armored support. "Out of all vehicles only one tank survived and one BRDM (Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle) after the attack, all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in the first minutes of the fight, right away."

In the third clip, a man can be heard exlpainng the Russian convoy was a few hundred meters away from target when the American forces raised their flag and hit the Russians with a heavy artillery barage, wiping out the first column instantly. "We got our fucking asses beat rough, the Yankees made their point," he said. "What were they hoping for, that the Yankees are just going to fuck off?... It's bullshit, some people can't even be fucking ID'ed, too many people there."

In another of the clips, a man claims "there are about 215 fucking killed" on the Russian side.

It has been reported that up to 300 Russians may have died in the strikes. The Kremlin initially denied all reports of Russians being involved in the incident. However, in recent days, Russia's foreign ministry has acknowledged that "several dozen" Russians were killed or wounded.

A foreign ministry report said, "Russian service members did not take part in any capacity and Russian military equipment was not used." It said those involved were "Russian citizens" who were in Syria "of their own free will and for different reasons."

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Russian forces have been sent to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad's regime. The Kremlin has denied that any of those killed on February 7-8 were Russian service members DOMINIQUE DERDA/AFP/Getty ImagesNewsweek · by David Bre
 
I love the "You with drew from the anti-ballistic missile defense treaty" line...like they haven't been violating that treaty for years....
 
I wonder if you'll be so happy about little "lessons" in this new stupid cold war of supporting terrorists vs supporting dictators if the Russians ever get pissed off enough to send back a little missile launched "lesson" of their own to our friendly terrorist "protected groups".

Funny how our government will risk major confrontations, kill plenty of people & commit lots of resources to protecting what amounts to a bunch of muslim terrorists who happen to say yes we'll take your help for a bit till we can get back to killing infidels.

Sure protect our troops, but then again if we are actually going to have troops fighting alongside muslim terrorists because we want to overthrow a dictatorship & make another failed state that the Saudis and corporations can control. Then stop being all lying about it & just come out and say it & then you could have a discussion with the Russians about what they want and what we want openly & probably carve up things as we want & then let the Syrian people enjoy the little hell on earth we are helping make.

But then the Kurds who are probably way more deserving of help and might actually be able to have a good stable government with a decent society are left twisting in the wind and we tell the Turks to "Sure go ahead, invade 2 other countries (including Iraq which we are "supposed" to be helping) and kill them all you want.

How is that for a question? Why do we commit huge resources and take major political risks to protect basically muslim terrorists & then are fine with actual decent people in the Kurds getting slaughtered now that we don't need them any more.

Truth be told however, the Kurds should see it coming, US policy for the past 40 years has been whenever we needed a bit of help or distraction, arm the Kurds and get them to fight against xxxx Then once we don't need them, give everybody a pass (including the people we were helping them fight against), a free pass to go kill as many as possible.

Could it be that the Kurds sit on a lot of Oil and are actually interested in making sure the Oil wealth helps their people & our "friendly Muslim terrorist freedom fighting allies" are also sitting on a big oil field, but are happy to let whatever western / Saudi backed concern that wants to take all they want for a pittance in exchange for a few toys?

If you read the reports you would know that the US response was to defend a joint US/Kurd outpost.
 
how's that living in fear worked for ya?

if you want the world to respect the power of our military, you have to let the dog bite when someone takes a shot at ya. make an example out of them. you do that, and show them you aint fucking playin, and diplomacy has a chance.
we will never know the amount of lives saved by taking this quick decisive action. there is a lot of mileage coming from this one. and if it happens again? and whomever gets the next hard lesson? well, that'll go a long way to unfucking the world.

the muzzle has been on for far too long. boo-boo, ba-boo-boo....news flash....it aint on anymore.

Several years ago Mattis warned the Iraqis that if the f $cked with him he would return with artillery and kill them all. Well, he's back and he's pissed. ??
 
Several years ago Mattis warned the Iraqis that if the f $cked with him he would return with artillery and kill them all. Well, he's back and he's pissed. ??

"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery with me. But, I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all.”

Gotta love the "Mad Dog"....
 
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery with me. But, I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all.”

Gotta love the "Mad Dog"....
Brother of mine met him in A-stan last October and said he's exactly like he seems but 1000x better. Slay bodies.