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Trump vows Government shutdown if border wall isn’t funded

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I say if they don’t give 5 billion dollars For the border wall shut the bitch down. And don’t give out back pay for work government employees didn’t do. Let them sit on the shutdown. Congress shouldn’t get paid while shut down either but u know them scumbags will get their money one way or another
 
The thing that pisses me off is that under the law Congress still gets paid. If that isn't enough, they're the only ones who can change that under the law.
 
IT kills me that they cant fund the government for a full year, always in spurts. The wall is chump change compared to the welfare programs but those are taboo to discuss funding reallocation for more important issues. And its not the gov employees that these White House and Congress can't come to an agreement so withholding their pay is a bit unfair despite the face that theyre sitting on their ass. FYI, my skill code is essential so I have to work and get paid whenever they feel like getting around to doing a back pay bill, which isnt even guarenteed.
 
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Trump wants 5 b for the wall while Schumer got 17b or some shitlike thatto replace the TappanZ.

Reverse that.

I still want Mexico to pay. Start transfer fees on Western Union out of country wire transactions at ten percent, all to pay for the wall now.
 
It would be interesting to see what would happen if we proposed a tax on all funds being sent out of the country to Mexico or places that are known to route money to Mexico. That must be collected by the companies transmitting the funds, unless the sender was a verified resident/citizen in good standing with the Tax authorities.

However that is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to how much "assistance" we give non citizens here
If we were to stop giving "assistance" to non citizens here at all levels, and any emergency assistance we give, gets billed to their respective embassies like many other countries do, The problem very soon would all be over.

If corporations that knowingly hire undocumented workers were punished with actual real jail time for the CEOs and managers that allowed the hiring, rather than just paying some cost of business fines, there would be a huge change as well.

But as the post above me says... Watch out for the "compromise"!
I could see some evil deal where Trump gets his funding for a "wall" (Which then gets bogged down in 20 years of federal court cases over every inch of land and every ant.) while the Communists get Reagan style "Amnesty" for all those here. That would pretty much mean Game Over, Communists & their supporters now have a lock on the votes & once they start applying to bring in their "close family" members, you might as well be looking for a new planet to move to.
 
Congress should get the 'French Flush' and start over. Do it right this time, folks.

I think I was done right the first time, these political pricks just do not follow the laws let alone the constitution. The 2 tier justice system is killing us
 
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The problem with the wall..... for 161$ (as of today via priceline) you can fly one way from Mexico to Canada and the walk south......

If you have the papers & money to fly to Canada, most likely you could also just cross legally into the USA as a tourist and then ignore the rules that say you need to leave when your visa time is up.

That actually happens way more than is shown in the debates. It's not all swimming the river, there is a lot of getting let in and never leaving.
 
If you have the papers & money to fly to Canada, most likely you could also just cross legally into the USA as a tourist and then ignore the rules that say you need to leave when your visa time is up.

That actually happens way more than is shown in the debates. It's not all swimming the river, there is a lot of getting let in and never leaving.


My point exactly
 
I wish Obama had wanted a wall. If he had, it would already be built.

The only way that would have happened is if the invaders were conservatives wanting to come up assimilate and be productive workers in the economy singing the Star Spangled Banner every morning as they rose from bed.

He would have built a big beautiful wall in that case with no door anywhere.
 
The only way that would have happened is if the invaders were conservatives wanting to come up assimilate and be productive workers in the economy singing the Star Spangled Banner every morning as they rose from bed.

He would have built a big beautiful wall in that case with no door anywhere.

I was just thinking about how Obamacare was passed. As fucked as it was he got the job done. If Trump really wants that wall he has to be as fucked up as the democrats. Shady shit , backroom payoffs and god knows what else.
 
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A wall isn't gonna work. I strongly feel Trump wants it so bad because he and his cronies stand to make a fortune off of it with over expenses, delays, etc. It happens everytime. It's how SEATAC wound up paying 3x the cost of an already multi billion dollar runway. Or that goddamn "bridge to nowhere".

This is the same thing. It won't stop illegals, it's just a speed bump. It's not gonna be 100,000PSI concrete or better or shit they build vaults out of. Now if we mined the next 100m from the wall, it'd work. But they wont' do that. It won't be long before that goddamn wall will have holes busted through it, makeshift bridges and ladders all over the place, not to mention just using earth movers to pull sections down. It'll cost far more to maintain it that it does to build it, and it still won't work because while you're patching one hole or rebuilding one section, they're tearing through another.

They said the Great Wall of China was basically breached en masse not long after it was built. In all sorts of ways. And that wall was a lot bigger and more substantial than anything they're gonna build down there. It also had soldiers posted in guard towers close enough torch signals could be passed with barracks every so often including horses. They could get anywhere along the wall in almost no time. Ours won't even be that good.

As for the threatened shutdown, we just can't run a country like this. There's ALWAYS a threatened shutdown if one side doesn't get what they want. Must be great for stability and trust. One day they'll fuck up and the VA checks and the SS checks won't go out. Debtors will still want their money. VA clinics close and you can't get seen, when you do reschedule, now you'll be waiting another two months. College doesn't get paid for vets and it fucks them up. Just all sorts of mayhem that only benefit one or two people.

If that's the kind of pressure they want to put on the people, it tells me we need to fix the system. No more political parties, your district or your state is your party, no more money in politics, no more lobbyists --taxes pay for the election and we are the lobbyists, held responsible and accountable, minimum skills standard test so we're not picking from the bottom of the barrel, 6 year terms, no re-election, taking some of the power back from gov. that we've both given them and allowed them to just take, like how they use interstate trade to own us. There's a few other items, but if we instituted these we could make government work for us again and at the same time weed out all the corruption and backroom deals and greed.

Or we can just keep on keepin' on and wait until something the system and the people can't take causes a mass uprising or civil war.
 
I was just thinking about how Obamacare was passed. As fucked as it was he got the job done. If Trump really wants that wall he has to be as fucked up as the democrats. Shady shit , backroom payoffs and god knows what else.

That "Obamacare" has fucked everyone up. It was called "affordable care act". Affordable? I get Medicare and it's gone up EVERY YEAR since he touched it. It used to be really cheap, it used to be affordable. This year it went up 50% over last year! I haven't been able to keep an insurance provider for Part D for longer than a year. Because it always goes up and I have to find the next cheapest one.

That whole shit needs to be torn down. It's a shame what this fucking government does for corporations and greedbags at the expense of an entire nation of people, and it generally affects those that can afford it the least. Billionaires living off of SS and Medicare recipients. That shit just needs to end.

Maybe it can't be fixed and AJ is right.
 
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We need a civil war.
Wrong, wrong wrong. We need a Trump to right the ship without Civil War. You know what? We just happen to have one. Either support Trump or go down with the boat.

Supporting the President only if he gives you everything you want, is not Patriotism. It's self serving bullsh!t. One chance is all we will ever get and Trump is that chance. So either start shooting or support him. JMHO
 
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It will cost a shit load to maintain that wall. If someone decides to run a D12 through it then they need lit up. Drugs will still get here and getting someone to roof your house will be more expensive. That will be the result. We will never have the resolve to do what is needed in Mexico and central/South America to stop this shit.

I heard that the US gov has frozen El Chapos assets in the US to the tune of $140 billion. We should use that money to build it cause fuck El Chapo. Obama up and gave $150 billion to Iran and Congress never batted an eye.
 
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A wall isn't gonna work. I strongly feel Trump wants it so bad because he and his cronies stand to make a fortune off of it with over expenses, delays, etc. It happens everytime. It's how SEATAC wound up paying 3x the cost of an already multi billion dollar runway. Or that goddamn "bridge to nowhere".

This is the same thing. It won't stop illegals, it's just a speed bump. It's not gonna be 100,000PSI concrete or better or shit they build vaults out of. Now if we mined the next 100m from the wall, it'd work. But they wont' do that. It won't be long before that goddamn wall will have holes busted through it, makeshift bridges and ladders all over the place, not to mention just using earth movers to pull sections down. It'll cost far more to maintain it that it does to build it, and it still won't work because while you're patching one hole or rebuilding one section, they're tearing through another.

They said the Great Wall of China was basically breached en masse not long after it was built. In all sorts of ways. And that wall was a lot bigger and more substantial than anything they're gonna build down there. It also had soldiers posted in guard towers close enough torch signals could be passed with barracks every so often including horses. They could get anywhere along the wall in almost no time. Ours won't even be that good.

As for the threatened shutdown, we just can't run a country like this. There's ALWAYS a threatened shutdown if one side doesn't get what they want. Must be great for stability and trust. One day they'll fuck up and the VA checks and the SS checks won't go out. Debtors will still want their money. VA clinics close and you can't get seen, when you do reschedule, now you'll be waiting another two months. College doesn't get paid for vets and it fucks them up. Just all sorts of mayhem that only benefit one or two people.

If that's the kind of pressure they want to put on the people, it tells me we need to fix the system. No more political parties, your district or your state is your party, no more money in politics, no more lobbyists --taxes pay for the election and we are the lobbyists, held responsible and accountable, minimum skills standard test so we're not picking from the bottom of the barrel, 6 year terms, no re-election, taking some of the power back from gov. that we've both given them and allowed them to just take, like how they use interstate trade to own us. There's a few other items, but if we instituted these we could make government work for us again and at the same time weed out all the corruption and backroom deals and greed.

Or we can just keep on keepin' on and wait until something the system and the people can't take causes a mass uprising or civil war.


A wall is part of the system and it is necessary in certain areas it is less effective against illegal aliens but helps when the bales of drugs are being muled over - just another obstacle.

The most important part of "the system" will be in each and every business in the US. They need to sign on to EVerify. Dry up the income you dry up the attraction.

The rest of the system is man power and technology. Sensors, border patrol and military.

Sensors to work in conjunction with the wall and enough BP man power to respond.

In addition to that rather than ship the First Armored Div to Grafenwhor or Second Mar Div to Norway how about these military units spend some time mobilizing and deplying to the border regions to train in whatever climate they require. USMC could even do amphib ops off the Gulf or Lake Superior.Airlift the 82nd AA along the Dakota border and dump em out with a patrol schedule to meet and a walk back to civilization. Anyone fucking around would never know if an area of crossing is about to be subject to a mil unit in training. And should the mil meet such just notify BP to come pick up said tresspasser.
 
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Add/edit - Id take strong enforceable EVerify and voting with ID over any wall.

Thing is Communists wont go for any of it.
 
Walls can be useful if done right and well patrolled / guarded.

Israel had great success eliminating a large part of the previously regular infiltration attacks after they put up their 20 foot solid concrete slab wall with a guard road along it.

They do still have to watch for tunnels, but that's life over there.
 
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Add/edit - Id take strong enforceable EVerify and voting with ID over any wall.

Thing is Communists wont go for any of it.
Agreed.
The wall is part of a system.
The first line of defense.
Seismic sensors should be a part as well.
Everify being the most important of the system.
Until you remove the financial draw the rest of the system is lacking.

R
 
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Hate to say it but mark my words this shit sandwich ends in amnesty for 11 million (plus).
it would be worth it to get a wall and stop millions from coming in the future................
the 11 million are never leaving anyway.......they might as well get amnesty.
 
I could stomach the 11 million for residency. But if you originally came illegally I could not stomach you ever being a voting citizen. Plus we need to have guarantees there won't be 11 million more in ten years.
 
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what i hate is losing access to national parks etc and then the workers get paid anyways despite them being home. so at the end of the day nothing changed other than taxpayers being locked out of parks etc.
 
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it would be worth it to get a wall and stop millions from coming in the future................
the 11 million are never leaving anyway.......they might as well get amnesty.
There are many more than that.
The dems have been so successful at this game, see Cali, Oregon, Washington, Colorado ect.

R
 
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dont get your hopes up...this depends on politicians
a politicians job is to stay a politician not to make decisions
 
They just passed a Farm Bill worth 867 million dollars. They gave tax payer dollars to farmers so they can get richer. Hell no he shouldn't get extra money for the wall, we spend too much money already. Take five or ten billion out of the farm bill and use that.

You don't balance a national budget by tacking on MORE useless crap. You work with the money you already have.
You do realize that the welfare/food stamp program is included in this bill? right?
A great way to show those rich farmers you are sincere about your convictions.
Stop eating...

R
 
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They just passed a Farm Bill worth 867 million dollars. They gave tax payer dollars to farmers so they can get richer. Hell no he shouldn't get extra money for the wall, we spend too much money already. Take five or ten billion out of the farm bill and use that.

You don't balance a national budget by tacking on MORE useless crap. You work with the money you already have.

Yes farmers are part of the evil 1 percent....fuck them.

Oh wait....what.
 
Mexico $290 Million
Honduras $180 Million
Guatemala $257 Million
El Salvador $118 Million
Costa Rica $18 Million
Nicaragua $44 Million
Panama $21 Million
Belize $10 Million
Columbia $518 Million

Maybe we should just give these countries more money? If building a wall is stupid then what the fuck is giving these countries 1.5 billion a year? Is that working?
 
farmers are the section 8 of commerce. They are so subsidized and paid not to farm. There is a reason Nebraska is solid blue.
 
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I don't have any more problem with them handing out food stamps than I do with them giving farmers money. They shouldn't be giving MY MONEY to anyone.
I'd rather my tax dollars be used for the PUBLIC GOOD. Like improving the school systems, fixing the roads, exploring space, and killing nut jobs who want to fly planes into buildings. If they have extra money left over, give it the f_*k back to me.

Are you for defunding Planned Parenthood?
 
I don't have any more problem with them handing out food stamps than I do with them giving farmers money. They shouldn't be giving MY MONEY to anyone.
I'd rather my tax dollars be used for the PUBLIC GOOD. Like improving the school systems, fixing the roads, exploring space, and killing nut jobs who want to fly planes into buildings. If they have extra money left over, give it the f_*k back to me.
Check Duneboer's post above.
Just a sample of "left over money".
They have purposely created a "dependency" on fed monies in the Ag production industry.
Also at least the coin going local to Ag is being reintroduced into the economy.

R
 
I don't give 2 cents about planned parenthood. If someone wants to get an abortion, that's their business, not mine.

That said,
My tax dollars shouldn't be given to anyone.. Period. No exceptions (Ok, maybe a couple). Tax dollars should not be used for benefit at the individual level. If they want to build a bridge that is used by all, then fine. Research nuclear energy for the benefit of all, fine. Explore planets for the benefit of all, fine. But giving tax dollars so people can choose to be lazy or stupid is not fine. Giving my money so people can make foolish choices without having to endure the consequences is not fine.

If a woman wants to have an abortion, its none of my damn business. And if a farmer wants to plant more acres than he can afford to lose, that's none of my business either.
I just don't want to have to pay for it.

Okay this is progress we seem to have found an area of agreement.

You seem a little bit more angry with your philosophy which strikes me as with your previous content I believed you to be more charitable like the devout Nancy Pelosi or the Bible quoting Luis Gutierrez.

Anyway my philosophy about use for public funds has more to do with the general belief that government has no place in picking winners and losers and the unintended consequences of the policy of subsidizing on the public coin generally leads to greater harm than the intended good.
 
Notice I'm the only one who liked your post? How dare you bring intelligence and common sense into a discussion like this. What the hell is wrong with you? Its like throwing dynamite into a camp fire.

This is so cute......

Will you use a surrogate or adopt?
 
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I'm not angry, I'm just not good at conveying attitude in typed conversation. I live a good life, have everything I ever thought was important and a bunch of stuff I never thought I'd ever have. I am financially secure (for the most part) and my "political attitude problem" is just forum talk that doesn't translate to what you'd experience in person.

As for charity, I'm all for certain things. Taking care of old people is one, taking care of the sick or the legitimately disabled is just fine and dandy with me as well. There's other stuff too, but none of it involves feeding some lazy drug addicted xbox idiot or giving money to someone who owns 20,000 acres of land.

My tax dollars shouldn't be used to fire up a helicopter to rescue some jackass who went out on a frozen lake in 50 degree weather and didn't think to check if the ice was thick enough.


^^^^That^^^^
Government has no business sticking my tax dollars into who wins or loses. If GM can't build a quality vehicle, let them go under. If someone buys a house that's too big for them to afford, let them go under.... and let the idiot who lent them the money for it go under as well.

On the other side of the coin (I did say I play both sides in other postings right?), I'm also all for the LGBT (or whatever its called) rights. If two gay guys want to get married, its none of my damn business. They're people and they should enjoy all the freedom's and liberties as I do.

But to hell with forcing my tax dollars to pay for someone's sex change operation. You born a man and want to be a women, that's just dandy, knock yourself out and I'll respect your choice, but I don't want to pay for it!!

Oh, and one other thing. If you have a penis swinging between your legs, use the men's bathroom. When you have it chopped off, THEN you can use the women's.


My God Bubbles just maybe inside of you exists a freedom loving Patriot trying to fight his way out of an irrational exterior.

Good luck my man, abandon the darkness and come into the light.

Its okay stand on your two feet like a free man and let go the fairy tales of a free and unbiased FBI working for your good.