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Are we headed towards a shooting war in the US?

Do you believe w the US will have an internal shooting war between liberals and conservatives?

  • Yes,Seattle etal radical factions will graduate from rocks & Molotovs to mass murder / assassination

    Votes: 14 7.8%
  • Likely, DOJ encourages by turning a blind to threats of arson & mass murder

    Votes: 29 16.1%
  • Possible, the US is headed into a hot summer where libs setup arsons, ambushes & firefights

    Votes: 24 13.3%
  • Probably not, most of the vitriol and politics are posturing

    Votes: 41 22.8%
  • Won’t happen, the news isn’t reality and most Americans are indifferent

    Votes: 72 40.0%

  • Total voters
    180
This is a very true post!
I grew up on an Indian reservation. I’m a American (aka mixed mutt. 1/4 Mexican, 1/4 native Americans mix, 1/4 German, 1/4 English and a healthy dose of stupid) It is very clear that tribalism is what things will break down to.
I have been called “the enemy” because I have a tiny fraction of some “other” tribe.
I have had a drunk old Indian try pissing on me cause I’m “white”, he only quit when I told him I was Indian also. It was that or beat the snot out of an old drunk.

Further, even within the single local tribe there is more than one faction that says “they” are the “real” Indians. So as things break down it will be down to family fighting families, neighbor against neighbor. The .gov will be long gone.

And HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!
May God Bless America! 🇺🇸
Funny how that is. The Comanches called themselves 'The People' and they viewed everybody else, including other tribes, as being sub human.

The Comanches became the Lord of the Plains but were also considered the assholes of the Plains by other tribes. They didn't tolerate anybody, except maybe the Kiowa, and nobody liked them. In fact, different sub tribes within the Comanches such as the Antelope Eaters and Honey Eaters didn't like each other.
 
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Only 535?
Last I checked the entire government is corrupt. Knock one down and they are like sharks teeth.

Our framework is not outdated and corrupt. The bastardization of the original framework is the problem. George Washington warned in his farewell letter of the very shit that we currently have.
What we have today is either because of or regardless of the constitution. Either way its fucked just the same. Going back to the original framework wouldn’t be enough. We glorify and romanticize the constitution for some reason when we have never lived under anything that remotely resembles its intentions. The founders knew themselves that it was a flawed document and its implementation would lead to this behemoth we have today. Even the framework would need a major overhaul.
 
All any victors after a civil war need to do is to return to the Constitution as written for a guide to a limited government structure. The states need to stop collecting federal income taxes and sending them to DC. The only money that needs to leave the states to go to DC is just enough to pay representative's salaries and fund the military. The only reason the feds have so much tyrannical power of the states is the states have to beg to get their own money back to within their borders where it was made in the first place. 95% of the tax money that originates in a state needs to remain in that state. That would stop a lot of liberal hellhole states from living off of the backs of fiscally responsible states.
 
All any victors after a civil war need to do is to return to the Constitution as written for a guide to a limited government structure. The states need to stop collecting federal income taxes and sending them to DC. The only money that needs to leave the states to go to DC is just enough to pay representative's salaries and fund the military. The only reason the feds have so much tyrannical power of the states is the states have to beg to get their own money back to within their borders where it was made in the first place. 95% of the tax money that originates in a state needs to remain in that state. That would stop a lot of liberal hellhole states from living off of the backs of fiscally responsible states.
Correction...representatives should not get paid, period! That’s what screwed it up mostly I the first place. They were never intended to be paid or even full time positions. People used to volunteer to do this out of civic pride for their country. Money becoming involved is where the entire process got jacked up and until it comes back out of the process then nothing will ever change.
 
All any victors after a civil war need to do is to return to the Constitution as written for a guide to a limited government structure. The states need to stop collecting federal income taxes and sending them to DC. The only money that needs to leave the states to go to DC is just enough to pay representative's salaries and fund the military. The only reason the feds have so much tyrannical power of the states is the states have to beg to get their own money back to within their borders where it was made in the first place. 95% of the tax money that originates in a state needs to remain in that state. That would stop a lot of liberal hellhole states from living off of the backs of fiscally responsible states.
This would also need a balanced budget requirement, otherwise the printer just goes bbbbbrrrrrrrtttttttt...
 
I am with the crack open a cold one and keeping the powder dry crowd….the poison is too widespread to do much until the rats start foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards…..
 
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Adjacent question ... Is it possible to be a 2A advocate, a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal? Oregon (where I live) is an interesting mix. While admitting that Portland has turned into a total shit-hole ... the rest of the state is (a) pretty darn nice to reside in, (b) leans generally and reliably to the left, and (c) has very few gun restrictions that allow easy same-day (actually same-hour) purchase and ownership of virtually all firearms that aren't illegal at the Federal level. I feel like this state kind of shows a path to a (mostly) peaceful left-right cohabitation model going forward ... assuming you break off Portland and float it into the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Just a random musing ... just sharing a personal observation ... and certainly not looking for face-flaming argument from the "I hate everyone that's not a MAGA Republican" crowd.
 
All any victors after a civil war need to do is to return to the Constitution as written for a guide to a limited government structure. The states need to stop collecting federal income taxes and sending them to DC. The only money that needs to leave the states to go to DC is just enough to pay representative's salaries and fund the military. The only reason the feds have so much tyrannical power of the states is the states have to beg to get their own money back to within their borders where it was made in the first place. 95% of the tax money that originates in a state needs to remain in that state. That would stop a lot of liberal hellhole states from living off of the backs of fiscally responsible states.
That would work because blue states would then have to tax the shit out of their residents until it would collapse upon itself.
 
Adjacent question ... Is it possible to be a 2A advocate, a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal? Oregon (where I live) is an interesting mix. While admitting that Portland has turned into a total shit-hole ... the rest of the state is (a) pretty darn nice to reside in, (b) leans generally and reliably to the left, and (c) has very few gun restrictions that allow easy same-day (actually same-hour) purchase and ownership of virtually all firearms that aren't illegal at the Federal level. I feel like this state kind of shows a path to a (mostly) peaceful left-right cohabitation model going forward ... assuming you break off Portland and float it into the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Just a random musing ... just sharing a personal observation ... and certainly not looking for face-flaming argument from the "I hate everyone that's not a MAGA Republican" crowd.
I mean.. you're siding up with the very people who want to ban all firearms and are straight up saying they will hell yes take our AR15's. Those are your friends. Its a contradiction/conflicting statement to say youre a liberal but strongly believe in the constitution and 2A. Those two things just dont fit together. How can you support gun ownership while voting for people who want to ban them? It doesnt compute man. Just fly your hammer and sickle proudly and we'll see what the future holds.
 
We're kind of at a 3 way Mexican standoff right now with the Left and the government because everyone has guns, thank God.

If the Dems steal another election in '24, the Right will harden up harder, many on the Left will turn on their communist overlords because they have to buy gas and food too.

No clue what happens then.
 
We're kind of at a 3 way Mexican standoff right now with the Left and the government because everyone has guns, thank God.

If the Dems steal another election in '24, the Right will harden up harder, many on the Left will turn on their communist overlords because they have to buy gas and food too.

No clue what happens then.
Ill tell you what fckn happens then. You kick the door down and throw this plane into a nosedive and parts unknown like a real man

 
Exactly.

But what the politicians and outside forces are doing is turning identity politics up to 11. So that everybody has to have a hyphen. Everybody has to be from a tribe. Or special. Or identifying in some group.

The best way to destroy a nation is to Balkanize it. And instead of having us all be Americans in our melting pot make damn sure that everybody keeps some socia, cultural, national, or personal identity… and place is it above their being a citizen of the greatest nation ever.

Identity politics has gone on as long as politics has. And it’s a guaranteed way to divide and conquer.

That people still fall for it 4000 years later is kind of pathetic. But then again we are wired to be tribal. It’s just that it should be relatively easy to rewire ourselves to be part of the great tribe called Americans. And fuck everything and everyone else.

Not a bad message for the fourth.

Cheers
This should be required reading!
 
It's interesting, and not just a little "skewed", that your three "Yes, Likely, Possible" choices are demonstrably anti-left, and that none of them indicate any predisposition by the right to start the violence. Especially true since the events of Jan-6th are the first time in the history of our country that we were unable to execute a peaceful transfer of power. Not looking for a battle, just (probably inappropriately) exercising my centrist-moderate political leanings by pointing out that a survey that only considers the left side of the political spectrum as the catalyst and only possible causes that internal shooting starts, seems pretty one-sided.

My favorite quote of a prior thread on this topic ...

"A civil war in America won't last long. The right owns all the guns, and the left can't figure out which bathroom to use."
The South said basically the same thing.
 
Gen X? Really? You mean the generation that raised themselves, came up before social media and only caught the beginning of the internet. Spent all our time outside and were told by our moms to either beat the bully or find new friends.. Yeah we're the ones that fucked it all up while working our asses off, not running up unsustainable student debt, and staying busy not blaming other generations. Okay there Gay Guppy.
Indeed!

I’m agreeing with you, you should re read my post lol
 
Adjacent question ... Is it possible to be a 2A advocate, a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal? Oregon (where I live) is an interesting mix. While admitting that Portland has turned into a total shit-hole ... the rest of the state is (a) pretty darn nice to reside in, (b) leans generally and reliably to the left, and (c) has very few gun restrictions that allow easy same-day (actually same-hour) purchase and ownership of virtually all firearms that aren't illegal at the Federal level. I feel like this state kind of shows a path to a (mostly) peaceful left-right cohabitation model going forward ... assuming you break off Portland and float it into the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Just a random musing ... just sharing a personal observation ... and certainly not looking for face-flaming argument from the "I hate everyone that's not a MAGA Republican" crowd.
If welfare programs were halted and personal responsibility the norm do you think that the same politicians would be elected? Do you think that the state government would act the same? That's all dependent on reducing the federal government to what it's supposed to be and the states being self reliant. Right now the states rely on the fed to provide fake (printed) money for everything. If the state wants to provide welfare programs let the state raise the funds for it. Then you have three choices. Leave the state, vote out the politicians or deal with the high taxes.
Again.... The Republic lost the first civil war and the bloated fed we have now was the victor
 
Have a beer and chill. It's all over now and we have to wait for the crash to fix it. Nothing gets fixed until it's so broke it can't function anymore. Have a beer and wait is my Plan until someone with credibility and a Plan steps forward to solve this mess. Until then I am a patient and keen/calm observer.
You should be educating and arming people
 
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If welfare programs were halted and personal responsibility the norm do you think that the same politicians would be elected? Do you think that the state government would act the same? That's all dependent on reducing the federal government to what it's supposed to be and the states being self reliant. Right now the states rely on the fed to provide fake (printed) money for everything. If the state wants to provide welfare programs let the state raise the funds for it. Then you have three choices. Leave the state, vote out the politicians or deal with the high taxes.
Again.... The Republic lost the first civil war and the bloated fed we have now was the victor

End welfare including downsizing the fed/army/etc?
 
You got Howard Stern. 🤣😆👍
Dude that mfckr and Kimmel is the biggest sellouts Ive ever seen. From interviewing pornstars and the Man Show to absolutely pathetic simps sucking up to the most woketarded shit possible. Have you ever watched Kimmel's show, Fallon, etc? Its the most smoothbrained mindnumbing shit Ive ever seen. How do we have so many airheads in America that watch that shit and keep it going? The viewer numbers have to be inflated way out of actual realistic numbers.
 
Dude that mfckr and Kimmel is the biggest sellouts Ive ever seen. From interviewing pornstars and the Man Show to absolutely pathetic simps sucking up to the most woketarded shit possible. Have you ever watched Kimmel's show, Fallon, etc? Its the most smoothbrained mindnumbing shit Ive ever seen. How do we have so many airheads in America that watch that shit and keep it going? The viewer numbers have to be inflated way out of actual realistic numbers.
Biggest issue is the people who watch…watch the late night shows for “news” and believe what they say is truth.

Started in the 90’s with the “daily show”.

Used to burn my brain when they’d regurgitate some “entertainment news” as factual information.
 
He used to be vulgar. Now hes on the verge of becoming a tranny, probably with a metoo rape story to go with it. Dude is strictly wokecommie to the max.
Wait, what?

I thought he was a tranny back in the early '90s. Seriously? He really thinks he is a dude while dressing like a drag queen? Wasn't that what Howard Stearn Show was all about? Some tranny dude? Which is why it was so controversial?

Wow, I was even square when I was too young to be square. I missed the whole point of Howard Stern? How did that happen?

Sirhr
 
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Wait, what?

I thought he was a tranny back in the early '90s. Seriously? He really thinks he is a dude while dressing like a drag queen? Wasn't that what Howard Stearn Show was all about? Some tranny dude? Which is why it was so controversial?

Wow, I was even square when I was too young to be square. I missed the whole point of Howard Stern? How did that happen?

Sirhr
Could be. Never watched the show, was just going on what I heard. I know hes a flaming commie for sure though.
 
How about Erik Prince for President?


Shawn Ryans show is super legit. Was just watching Rob O Neils interview. Eric Prince has done some weird stuff but I cant blame him. Kinda reminds me of John Mcafee a little bit LOL but in a good way. And Id definitely vote for John Mcafee if the spookfags didnt snuff him.
What say you @Darkside-Six ? Would you give your vote to your former boss for the numero uno spot? Always glad to hear your take bro. Those blackwater dudes were cool as fuck.
 
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What he needs is Jesus. Id bet money that fuck has done the devil worship child sacrifice gay butt thing.

Im not superstitious, I don’t think what imaginary character one asks for things means a damn.

I will say if the Howard of today was transplanted back in time, no one would know who he is today, the fire he had is gone, much like someone who gets their head shrunk one too many times, or find the Jesus, etc. Shame, his show used to be pretty fun.
 
I mean.. you're siding up with the very people who want to ban all firearms and are straight up saying they will hell yes take our AR15's. Those are your friends. Its a contradiction/conflicting statement to say youre a liberal but strongly believe in the constitution and 2A. Those two things just dont fit together. How can you support gun ownership while voting for people who want to ban them? It doesnt compute man. Just fly your hammer and sickle proudly and we'll see what the future holds.
Exactly my point ... a reality you say is impossible. Oregon has great 2nd Amendment laws and protections, while still being socially left-leaning. I'm living proof that a person can have a "centrist-left" leaning political perspective, while still being committed to 2nd Amendment protections. You can't say the two are mutually exclusive, because there's a lot of people that "lean left" socially, but still own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment. To say that's impossible ... well ... isn't accurate as there are a lot of us in that category. For those of us in that category ... Oregon is a great place to live.
 
Stern proved one theory though no matter how disgusting ugly you are in life if you have a lot of money you can get a girl.
 
Exactly my point ... a reality you say is impossible. Oregon has great 2nd Amendment laws and protections, while still being socially left-leaning. I'm living proof that a person can have a "centrist-left" leaning political perspective, while still being committed to 2nd Amendment protections. You can't say the two are mutually exclusive, because there's a lot of people that "lean left" socially, but still own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment. To say that's impossible ... well ... isn't accurate as there are a lot of us in that category. For those of us in that category ... Oregon is a great place to live.
Are ARs (large and small frame), other semi autos, suppressors and standard capacity mags legal in Oregon or no?

What about carry? Does OR have constitutional carry, concealed weapon permits? If so, do they recognize other states’ ccw permits?
 
Exactly my point ... a reality you say is impossible. Oregon has great 2nd Amendment laws and protections, while still being socially left-leaning. I'm living proof that a person can have a "centrist-left" leaning political perspective, while still being committed to 2nd Amendment protections. You can't say the two are mutually exclusive, because there's a lot of people that "lean left" socially, but still own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment. To say that's impossible ... well ... isn't accurate as there are a lot of us in that category. For those of us in that category ... Oregon is a great place to live.
They are mutually exclusive. At a point in time long ago they werent but now they are. Yall have let neon hair trannies take over your platform completely. It aint the party of JFK anymore rusty, its the party of pregnant manchilds who somehow have menstrual cycles also. Apparently yall love them types
 
Exactly my point ... a reality you say is impossible. Oregon has great 2nd Amendment laws and protections, while still being socially left-leaning. I'm living proof that a person can have a "centrist-left" leaning political perspective, while still being committed to 2nd Amendment protections. You can't say the two are mutually exclusive, because there's a lot of people that "lean left" socially, but still own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment. To say that's impossible ... well ... isn't accurate as there are a lot of us in that category. For those of us in that category ... Oregon is a great place to live.

Most of OR isn’t left at all, it’s just the “urban center”.

I lived in a northern town for a few years, fun town but also had a few universities, I was friends with some college kids and the locals, most of the college kids didn’t have cars, and the ones who did didn’t really leave town minus the airport to go back home to mommie for the holidays.

One night I’m out at the bar, one of my college friends who thinks I’m conservative (which compared to them I am) asked if it was hard to be a conservative in a leftist area, I had to explain to him it’s NOT a leftist area, it’s VERY RED, just his little bubble is dark blue.

Lots of these people don’t know, and aren’t even curious about anything outside of their itty bitty leftist AO.
 
Are ARs (large and small frame), other semi autos, suppressors and standard capacity mags legal in Oregon or no?

What about carry? Does OR have constitutional carry, concealed weapon permits? If so, do they recognize other states’ ccw permits?
Yes. There are no gun bans in Oregon. No mag restrictions. All NFA is good. Hunting with suppressors allowed. Permitless open carry. Shall issue CCW. Other state permits not recognized.

I’d say outside of Portland, Eugene, Salem, and Bend areas the state is very conservative. Especially east of the mountains.
 
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How any of yall could "support gun ownership" but also be "left of center"/"centrist moderate".. its intriguing. You know theres even "moderate right" traitorous fuckheads at this point who are conceding to the gun grabber leftists. It doesnt compute to be a democrat gun ownership supporter. 99% of them outright support all firearm confiscation. The ones who dont say it, are high fiving the punk bitches who do. (And they all got CC permits the hypocrite bitches)

To put it simply we need more super strong 2A supporters in .gov to keep the little we even have. Is that going to come by electing "left centrists"? LOL fat fckn chance
 
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How any of yall could "support gun ownership" but also be "left of center"/"centrist moderate".. its intriguing. You know theres even "moderate right" traitorous fuckheads at this point who are conceding to the gun grabber leftists. It doesnt compute to be a democrat gun ownership supporter. 99% of them outright support all firearm confiscation. The ones who dont say it, are high fiving the punk bitches who do. (And they all got CC permits the hypocrite bitches)

To put it simply we need more super strong 2A supporters in .gov to keep the little we even have. Is that going to come by electing "left centrists"? LOL fat fckn chance

Few issues.

For one a fascist and a communist are the same thing, different branding same product.

Same with the far right vs far left, different packaging for the same anti freedom and anti individual liberty shit sandwich.

NO ONE in gov really supports the bill of rights, anymore than a citizen would fight to PERSONALLY pay MORE in taxes and have LESS rights. Sure some politicians will support it if they feel it will win them a few points they need to not lose their seat at the gravy trough, but real world the voters are a necessary evil for them, as gov is a necessary evil for Main Street, never forget that

The bill of rights is a stick we use to keep gov in line, anyone who lives in .gov who says they support it is ether lying or dumb as a bag of rocks, or a little of both.
 
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Shawn Ryans show is super legit. Was just watching Rob O Neils interview. Eric Prince has done some weird stuff but I cant blame him. Kinda reminds me of John Mcafee a little bit LOL but in a good way. And Id definitely vote for John Mcafee if the spookfags didnt snuff him.
What say you @Darkside-Six ? Would you give your vote to your former boss for the numero uno spot? Always glad to hear your take bro. Those blackwater dudes were cool as fuck.
Long story short, no.
 
I would be willing to pay a very small amount more if THEY would actually fix a pothole in the road every now and again…

I wouldn’t be.

I would be willing to pay less and have them do their jobs, or pay way less, shit can all of them, and me and the boys will just fill it ourselves.
 
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Putting 2 and 2 together here.
Has everyone heard the gunfire from the video ?
We have this scrawny assed kid, the alleged shooter.
The fire was so fast I wondered if it was a bump stock or one of those recently illegalized dual action triggers (forget the exact name of them).
Recoil, even if 5.56 had to play a factor and also reloading.
Not going to post my idea right now about this.
Anyone want to give any unbiased thoughts on the stuff I just posted?
He killed what...8 I think ?
Wounded "dozens" is the current stat....don't know an exact number.
Does anyone see where I'm going with this ?
 
I have honestly been tempted to go get in the concrete mixer with a load and just drive around and plop every large pothole full of concrete. Lol.

Dominos pizza was actually fixing potholes, put a little logo on the ones they filled, seems a win win for everyone.

The leftists actually wanted them fined for it 😂

 
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