Nope, but they’re fairly stout. I think 22lbs springs. Probably not as evolved as a double spring….No double spring?
Really like the dual spring on the M45A1 but might only be the “feeling” in difference of shooting more Commander than full size.
Nope, but they’re fairly stout. I think 22lbs springs. Probably not as evolved as a double spring….No double spring?
Really like the dual spring on the M45A1 but might only be the “feeling” in difference of shooting more Commander than full size.
That’s right. As far as I’ve been told, the Bureau Models and Professionals were originally purchase as slick bottom guns (no light rail). When the barrel issue surfaced, the lower receivers and barrels were replaced and “LR” was added to the serial. These guns have a mismatch of slide cut and end of frame. As pictured….One of those is that they did a bunch of different things, from whole guns to just top end replacements to just barrels and... the barrel thing seems interesting with Skunk's comment.
Wow that’s a bit of history. Any idea what year they went to ramped barrels?That’s pretty awesome.
Just this week I was talking with one of my HRT buddies about 1911’s and the growing pains they had in the early days of the Springfield. Apparently, barrels were rupturing under the copious diet of 230gr +P stuff we feed them. So, they were almost all modified to ramped barrels.
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No idea. I didn’t start carrying these things until about 2012 and they had already been modified by then. The SWAT program went back to a Glock 17 in about 2015-2016.Wow that’s a bit of history. Any idea what year they went to ramped barrels?
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Some FBI 1911’s on the line.
That’s pretty awesome.
Just this week I was talking with one of my HRT buddies about 1911’s and the growing pains they had in the early days of the Springfield. Apparently, barrels were rupturing under the copious diet of 230gr +P stuff we feed them. So, they were almost all modified to ramped barrels.
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Some FBI 1911’s on the line.
There have been at least three pistol qual courses (PQC’s) over the course of the last ten years, and there is a SWAT PQC. I think the SWAT PQC calls for the barricade, but I’ve never shot it that way and haven’t seen barricades used outside the Academy at all. I’ve also not fired on a range outside Quantico where the turning targets still work…Pretty obvious that the old PPC course of fire is no longer used. The 4x4's cut right off.
The PPC Course was a 150 rd. Course fired at 7,15, 25 and 50 yards. Shot double action with the revolver with barricades at 25 and 50 yards. Also required shooting right and left handed on the barricades. As I remember there were 5 classes; Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert, Master and Hi Master. The ILL. Police Assn shot for many years a 48 shot course which was shot by many police departments. I competed 11 years with the IPA winning the Top Gun in ‘95. Great fun!There have been at least three pistol qual courses (PQC’s) over the course of the last ten years, and there is a SWAT PQC. I think the SWAT PQC calls for the barricade, but I’ve never shot it that way and haven’t seen barricades used outside the Academy at all. I’ve also not fired on a range outside Quantico where the turning targets still work…
Qual courses are just administrative requirements anyhow. Training is a different animal altogether.
I’m not familiar with the PPC course you reference..
A coyote model is a short action mostly all 70's are long actionNow, why use a .30-06 Long Action when they're chambered for .308 WIN? Same reason as the US Army M24 sniper rifles being built on long actions, so they could be changed to a longer, more powerful cartridge (i.e., the 300 WinMag) one day?
Edit: Stupid me, I thought Winchester had a short version of their receiver too but nope. That explains it. xD
Now, why use a .30-06 Long Action when they're chambered for .308 WIN? Same reason as the US Army M24 sniper rifles being built on long actions, so they could be changed to a longer, more powerful cartridge (i.e., the 300 WinMag) one day?
Edit: Stupid me, I thought Winchester had a short version of their receiver too but nope. That explains it. xD
Short actions started being produced in 1985 in push feed only. The Coyote (2000~ish) model can be one of two short actions. That action handles WSM cartridges which is roomy, but the same length as the one that handles all .308 based cases (or close proximity). The other 'shorter' action is the one that handles all WSSM cartridges.A coyote model is a short action mostly all 70's are long action
You are correct sir. I have a couple WSM's ( 7 & 300) and still have a 25 WSSM.Short actions started being produced in 1985 in push feed only. The Coyote (2000~ish) model can be one of two short actions. That action handles WSM cartridges which is roomy, but the same length as the one that handles all .308 based cases (or close proximity). The other 'shorter' action is the one that handles all WSSM cartridges.
can you find brass for the 25?You are correct sir. I have a couple WSM's ( 7 & 300) and still have a 25 WSSM.
Pre covid it was fairly easy to find. Not so much these days. The factory 120 power point ammo is easier to find.can you find brass for the 25?
ask and ye shall receive!!!This thread needs more pictures!
Barrel details?After Skunk built the clone for his retired bud, February 2022, I started gathering parts to do the same for my retired bud (and, maybe me also...)
First thing I got was a short 70 action. Then a barrel, then a short 700 action, then a 3.5-10 mildot, then a second 3.5-10 mildot. Got the matte mount and a set of matte rings. Didn't have much luck with stocks, yet, wasn't ready to order from McMillan. Yet...
Today, is much closer, still working out the stock thing. It's not perfect. But, closer and shootable...
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Barrel details?
Very cool thread!
I have a couple clip-slotted Winchesters (National Match XTC style, no FBI history), and scope mounting was a little more work. 70 Pre-war with clip slot has a special order rail from Badger.
Win 70 Short actions have used one piece rails, with just one attachment used in rear due to clip slot.
Looking at the 3 hole pictures, I think I can have an additional hole drilled & tapped between the rear mounting hole & slip slot for more stability.....
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I've got an older clip slotted Winchester M70 NM model also. Note that the older clip slotted 70's use a Model 70 H&H magnum size base. I bought one from EGW when I got my rifle.Very cool thread!
I have a couple clip-slotted Winchesters (National Match XTC style, no FBI history), and scope mounting was a little more work. 70 Pre-war with clip slot has a special order rail from Badger.
Win 70 Short actions have used one piece rails, with just one attachment used in rear due to clip slot.
Looking at the 3 hole pictures, I think I can have an additional hole drilled & tapped between the rear mounting hole & slip slot for more stability.....
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Is that for an HTG, or an A5?Order McMillan, $840.00
McMillanI have a Post-64 clip slot 30-06 (1 rear scope base screw) and a couple different options for the Leupold scope sitting around doing nothing. This thread has got me thinking I should build one of these FBI clones, but where to get a stock? Are you ordering them from McMillan, or managing to find used ones someplace...
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When you order from McMillan ask for the early HTG without texture on the grip or fore-end.