I think I want a red dot on my new pistol.

[LuvDog]

The cheapest I would go is vortex venom or Burris fastfire III. That way if they die then you can take advantage of their no questions asked warranty.

As for dot size… I want 6-8 MOA but Im using them for USPSA and I want fast acquisition and that size isn’t covering up an entire target/scoring zone. If your talking bullseye or something then get a smaller dot for your specific competition.

I have switched over SRO’s and 5 MOA for my comp guns.

and I’ve ditched all irons on those guns too because they aren’t needed. No need for backup sights because they aren’t defensive guns. My backups are a complete optic equipped second gun.

 

[pmclaine]

RMR owner here with envy of RMR HD.

Might take off some of the curse of having huge suppressor sights in my window.

Top side battery change would be the bomb.

Bigger dot better. astigmatism sucks but a fluffy dot will work like a perfect one.

Note this pistol did not fire while being photographed.

 

[LR1845]

RMR owner here with envy of RMR HD.

Might take off some of the curse of having huge suppressor sights in my window.

Top side battery change would be the bomb.

Bigger dot better. astigmatism sucks but a fluffy dot will work like a perfect one.

View attachment 8234337

Note this pistol did not fire while being photographed.

And if Trijicon offered a green dot I'd most likely sell off all my Holosuns.

 

[M8541Reaper]

RMR owner here with envy of RMR HD.

Might take off some of the curse of having huge suppressor sights in my window.

Top side battery change would be the bomb.

Bigger dot better. astigmatism sucks but a fluffy dot will work like a perfect one.

View attachment 8234337

Note this pistol did not fire while being photographed.

So it fired after the picture?

 

[M8541Reaper]

Can't disagree except for RM07 > RM06

Almost went with the RM07 but I had an 06 years ago and liked it so just went back to it. I’ll probably get the 07 for the wife’s G19 because her eyes aren’t as good as mine.

Again people…don’t buy Chinese trash or anything less than the gold standard for something that is your go to tool. Holosun is cheap trash that’s for airsoft kids. The Sig and Delta optics are the ones that are always being fucked with at matches to get em adjusted each stage or to turn back on. Holosuns just don’t work if you use your stuff.

Save up a bit longer (typically one month of no booze or bringing lunch to work instead of buying out, or a few less dinners out a month) and buy an RM06 or RM07. You won’t regret it and it will actually work when you need it for as long as you need it. Which is the whole point.

Pro-Tip of the Day:
Don’t mill the front of your slide if you use Safariland ALS holsters. The front top serrations shown here will chew away at the locking notch inside the holster. Replacement parts are about $20 but don’t mess with aftermarket front serrations if you run those holsters.

 

[Racer88]

Holosun is cheap trash that’s for airsoft kids.

LOL! Mmm-kay. Not. I doubt very much that "airsoft kids" are spending $340 on their optics.

Holosuns just don’t work if you use your stuff.

They don't? Speaking from experience?

I have 6,000 rounds through one (EDC). 2,000 rounds through the other (range toy). They've held zero with a kung-fu grip. I've banged the one on my EDC into more door jambs, appliances, and furniture than I care to admit. Not a single issue with them.

Save up a bit longer (typically one month of no booze or bringing lunch to work instead of buying out, or a few less dinners out a month) and buy an RM06 or RM07.

I have the RM07 on my FNP-45T. I've had it for 7 years. 3,500 rounds through that one. No problems. Without a doubt, when it comes to "ruggedness," the Trijicon RMR is the gold standard. I call this rig, "The Beast!"

I liked my RM07 just fine... until I tried a Holosun 507C-GR-X2. It is "mo' better!"

So, bear in mind that I didn't get the Holosuns because they were less expensive than the Trijicon. I could have just as easily purchased more Trijicons. We're talking about another $160. It ain't the money. I bought the Holosuns, because I like their feature set BETTER. When Trijicon stops resting on their decades-old laurels and makes a top or side battery compartment, green LED option, and perhaps some reticle options... I'll definitely reconsider.

While I totally get the anti-China thing... I really do... I'm a red-blooded, flag-wavin', military veteran, American Patriot.... and would RATHER buy American... The American companies simply aren't making what I want at this point. So here we are.

But casting the "airsoft" aspersions towards Holosun optics is without any basis whatsoever. They are NOT the same as the "Chinesium" <$100 optics with funky brand names on Amazon. Holosun makes some good shit.

 

[pmclaine]

So it fired after the picture?

I was loading that thing up one morning to carry and I docked it back in its pistol cradle with a full mag while I looked for the single round to top it off.

It was too butt heavy and rolled out of the pistol shelf, to the safe shelf off the safe shelf into space, rolling like a ball until it landed square on its back strap at the bottom edge of the safe.

I should have ran like a scared girl but of course I watched like it was in slow motion and actually tried to catch it which would more of likely ended with me sticking a finger in the trigger guard and causing the ND to happen.

Instinct to “catch” took over the “good sense” to run.

Anyway the way that thing landed with a concentrated point of force strong enough to chip the cerakote gave me a bit of confidence that this particular 320 won’t go off if dropped.

I’ve since added dropping my gun and running away to my training skills hoping to build muscle memory.

 

[pmclaine]

View attachment 8234357
Almost went with the RM07 but I had an 06 years ago and liked it so just went back to it. I’ll probably get the 07 for the wife’s G19 because her eyes aren’t as good as mine.

Again people…don’t buy Chinese trash or anything less than the gold standard for something that is your go to tool. Holosun is cheap trash that’s for airsoft kids. The Sig and Delta optics are the ones that are always being fucked with at matches to get em adjusted each stage or to turn back on. Holosuns just don’t work if you use your stuff.

Save up a bit longer (typically one month of no booze or bringing lunch to work instead of buying out, or a few less dinners out a month) and buy an RM06 or RM07. You won’t regret it and it will actually work when you need it for as long as you need it. Which is the whole point.

Pro-Tip of the Day:
Don’t mill the front of your slide if you use Safariland ALS holsters. The front top serrations shown here will chew away at the locking notch inside the holster. Replacement parts are about $20 but don’t mess with aftermarket front serrations if you run those holsters.

Prime example is “Olight”.

I get bombarded with emails from that company.

I bought an Olight originally for that AXG because it was the only thing that looked to be compact enough to not extend beyond the muzzle.

I knew I was taking a risk but what arrived was a bigger POS Chinese hot turd than I could have imagined.

Immediately sent it back and now its Surefire X300s or nothing on the pistol mounted lights.

 

[Imw787]

Been through many and have settled, at least for now, on Holosun eps in 6 moa. Enclosed sight feels sturdier and for some reason so much less lint etc. and for my eyes a larger dot on lower power is the ideal setup. Was reluctant to try them at first but agree with others they seem to be pushing the boundary on pistol more than anyone else in the space. Ran 407s before and really liked those as well if u want to save a few $.

 

[Racer88]

Been through many and have settled, at least for now, on Holosun eps in 6 moa. Enclosed sight feels sturdier and for some reason so much less lint etc. and for my eyes a larger dot on lower power is the ideal setup. Was reluctant to try them at first but agree with others they seem to be pushing the boundary on pistol more than anyone else in the space. Ran 407s before and really liked those as well if u want to save a few $.

I'm curious about the EPS (enclosed emitter) and how it would be on an EDC. If they make one with the ACSS Vulcan reticle (green), I'm in!

 

[LR1845]

Been through many and have settled, at least for now, on Holosun eps in 6 moa. Enclosed sight feels sturdier and for some reason so much less lint etc. and for my eyes a larger dot on lower power is the ideal setup. Was reluctant to try them at first but agree with others they seem to be pushing the boundary on pistol more than anyone else in the space. Ran 407s before and really liked those as well if u want to save a few $.

I really like the EPS and EPS carry's in 6MOA green.

 

[LR1845]

I'm curious about the EPS (enclosed emitter) and how it would be on an EDC. If they make one with the ACSS Vulcan reticle (green), I'm in!

You want the EPS carry for a carry gun and I'm sure you'd be happy with the 6MOA model...I've owned a couple of the auto bright models and don't care for them.

 

[Imw787]

I'm curious about the EPS (enclosed emitter) and how it would be on an EDC. If they make one with the ACSS Vulcan reticle (green), I'm in!

I moved from a 407 to the eps carry (agree to make sure u grab the carry version) for my EDC (sig 365xl) and was a bit worried about it feeling “bulkier” but no issues.

 

[LR1845]

Holosun 507COMP on the left, EPS middle, EPS carry right...the EPS and EPS carry are not a HUGE difference but it is enough when it comes to concealment.

 

[Racer88]

Holosun 507COMP on the left, EPS middle, EPS carry right...the EPS and EPS carry are not a HUGE difference but it is enough when it comes to concealment.

Got a regular 507C to compare the EPS Carry to? Maybe some top and side views?

 

[LR1845]

Got a regular 507C to compare the EPS Carry to? Maybe some top and side views?

No I sold off all of them once I got the EPS I do have a 407K I could post a couple pics?

 

[LR1845]

Got a regular 507C to compare the EPS Carry to? Maybe some top and side views?

Here's a 407K compared to the EPS carry...they are pretty much the same size except the back of the EPS is squared off....width, height and length damn near identical but the EPS window looks a bit bigger and you never have to worry about lint or what ever blocking the emitter which I've had
happen and one of the reasons I've switched to the EPS.

 

[308pirate]

There is a huge difference between between running some drills with the dudebros or going to your typical training class where most (if not all) of the shooting is static or linear and an entire season of USPSA.

Before you declare anything about your dot/pistol combo ya might want to try that exposure.

 

[308pirate]

Been through many and have settled, at least for now, on Holosun eps in 6 moa. Enclosed sight feels sturdier

Feels don't mean much

and for some reason so much less lint etc.

Enclosed optic collect just as much lint as the open ones.

 

[Milf Dots]

'Features'.
GTFO.

 

[Snapper314]

You want the EPS carry for a carry gun and I'm sure you'd be happy with the 6MOA model...I've owned a couple of the auto bright models and don't care for them.

Actually I have a couple of the Holosun EPS Carry MRS Green units and they are AWESOME. The dot is plenty big, and the Auto Brightness is the BEST IMPLEMENTATION of that tech that I've ever seen. While in AUTO Brightness mode you can still adjust the "Minimum Brightness Level" ensuring the dot or reticle is bright enough in dark situations, even with a Weapon Light.

 

[Anb618]

MidwayUSA has the Burris FastFire III on sale today for $150. Comes with an pic-mount, but even if you trash that you’d still be money ahead on the sight.

Burris FastFire 3 Reflex Red Dot Sight 3 MOA Dot AR-F3 Picatinny-Style

For AR or carbine shooters, the AR-F3 combines the popular FastFire III with a rugged protective Picatinny-style mount. The mount has a storage...

www.midwayusa.com

 

[Racer88]

Actually I have a couple of the Holosun EPS Carry MRS Green units and they are AWESOME. The dot is plenty big, and the Auto Brightness is the BEST IMPLEMENTATION of that tech that I've ever seen. While in AUTO Brightness mode you can still adjust the "Minimum Brightness Level" ensuring the dot or reticle is bright enough in dark situations, even with a Weapon Light.

Would be cool to have a programmable "max" brightness limit, too.

 

[308pirate]

Would be cool to have a programmable "max" brightness limit, too.

You guys are treating these things way too much like rifle scopes.

 

[acudaowner]

if you want it get it It's not like you can't take it off and put it on something else if you don't like it think of it as another reason to buy another gun .

 

[BurtG]

Any one of you ever cut your own slide for an optic?

Do it with a Dremel like the AI bolt guy.



In regards to dots yes everything you read says bigger is faster

 

[nikonNUT]

So one observation that doesn't appear to have been touched on. Couple of years ago I was at Fouled Bore in OK waiting for the fog to lift so I decided to use the pistol range to kill some time. Pulled my AXG scopion with a Romeo Pro 1 and a Nighthawk Agent with an RMR out of an 80 degree car into 37 degree ambient and the Sig fogged up instantly and was useless until it normalized. The RMR06 never missed a lick. I say this because most of the time I would assume that our concealed pistol and optic will be at or near body temp. A fogged optic is NOT a suprise I want. I know... Point shooting and all that but why risk it when a couple extra hundred bucks ensure superior coatings that eliminate the issue. Just an FYI.

 

[SanPatHogger]

You guys are a wealth of knowledge.
The more I think about it and the more I read... Maybe I'll run this new pistol a few times with just the stock sights. Then I will have the slide machined. Like someone on here said, the backup sight is on the backup gun. I will still have my 92 with open sights. I will treat this like my rifle that has a scope and no open sights. It will be a carry optic/limited optic gun and maybe an open gun if I put a compensator on it. Shoot some hogs with it and maybe a house gun. It's not a carry gun that has to perform when SHTF.

So I am not buying one right this second, I want as much sight as I can get for the money and I'm still in the research stage. Lets say I set my budget around $300, maybe a hair higher. That gets me up into some name brand optics with a warranty.
What am I doing with this thing? USPSA and maybe shooting pigs, so my distances are mostly inside 20 yards. Pretty sure I want the big dot.
I use red lights when shooting at night, so I think I want a green dot.

The Bushnell RXc-200 is a 6 moa dot with a 5 year warranty. Has a RMS footprint. But it looks like you have to take it off to change the battery.


C-more has a few that have 6 moa or bigger dots. They are more money but have a 30 year warranty. The CRC looks like you have to take it off to change the battery, but it has the RMS footprint. The RTS2B and the STS2 have a side loading battery tray, but they say you need their mounting kit to put it on.

Holosun 407 either the HE or HS 407k, I don't really see the difference between the 2 except the price. 6 moa and side load battery. They have a 10 year warranty.


SIG Romeo 1 and Pro looks nice too. Top loading battery but looks to have a different foot print. 5 year warranty.

Also there are some cool guys at the little local match I shoot that run carry optics. I'll look through what they are using.

Again, thank you guys. There is soooo much out there. You think you know what you want, but then more information changes the way you look at things.

 

[LR1845]

Actually I have a couple of the Holosun EPS Carry MRS Green units and they are AWESOME. The dot is plenty big, and the Auto Brightness is the BEST IMPLEMENTATION of that tech that I've ever seen. While in AUTO Brightness mode you can still adjust the "Minimum Brightness Level" ensuring the dot or reticle is bright enough in dark situations, even with a Weapon Light.

I personally do not care for the auto adjust units for that very reason....they auto adjust....Don't quote me on this as it's been awhile but I remember reading somewhere that the Holosun AA units adjust from the light that is directly above the sight and the Trijicon adjusts from the light that is in front of the sight and both have a lag when they do adjust....either way I prefer to adjust the sight manually...again just my personal preference.

 

[pmclaine]

MidwayUSA has the Burris FastFire III on sale today for $150. Comes with an pic-mount, but even if you trash that you’d still be money ahead on the sight.

Burris FastFire 3 Reflex Red Dot Sight 3 MOA Dot AR-F3 Picatinny-Style

For AR or carbine shooters, the AR-F3 combines the popular FastFire III with a rugged protective Picatinny-style mount. The mount has a storage...

www.midwayusa.com

This is funny guys posting to bait @308pirate into getting himself banned.

You should go over to an @TheGerman thread and post an Olympic rifle and say “It’s exactly like KAC!”

 

[pmclaine]

You guys are a wealth of knowledge.
The more I think about it and the more I read... Maybe I'll run this new pistol a few times with just the stock sights. Then I will have the slide machined. Like someone on here said, the backup sight is on the backup gun. I will still have my 92 with open sights. I will treat this like my rifle that has a scope and no open sights. It will be a carry optic/limited optic gun and maybe an open gun if I put a compensator on it. Shoot some hogs with it and maybe a house gun. It's not a carry gun that has to perform when SHTF.

So I am not buying one right this second, I want as much sight as I can get for the money and I'm still in the research stage. Lets say I set my budget around $300, maybe a hair higher. That gets me up into some name brand optics with a warranty.
What am I doing with this thing? USPSA and maybe shooting pigs, so my distances are mostly inside 20 yards. Pretty sure I want the big dot.
I use red lights when shooting at night, so I think I want a green dot.

The Bushnell RXc-200 is a 6 moa dot with a 5 year warranty. Has a RMS footprint. But it looks like you have to take it off to change the battery.


C-more has a few that have 6 moa or bigger dots. They are more money but have a 30 year warranty. The CRC looks like you have to take it off to change the battery, but it has the RMS footprint. The RTS2B and the STS2 have a side loading battery tray, but they say you need their mounting kit to put it on.

Holosun 407 either the HE or HS 407k, I don't really see the difference between the 2 except the price. 6 moa and side load battery. They have a 10 year warranty.


SIG Romeo 1 and Pro looks nice too. Top loading battery but looks to have a different foot print. 5 year warranty.

Also there are some cool guys at the little local match I shoot that run carry optics. I'll look through what they are using.

Again, thank you guys. There is soooo much out there. You think you know what you want, but then more information changes the way you look at things.

If you save just a little more…..your awesomeness opens up.

These guys have about the best prices I have found unless buying in the PX.

Mine arrived in MA next day after ordering.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=trijicon%20rmr&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps

 

[SanPatHogger]

If you save just a little more…..your awesomeness opens up.

These guys have about the best prices I have found unless buying in the PX.

Mine arrived in MA next day after ordering.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=trijicon%20rmr&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps

$359 for a Trijicon with a retail of $603? Super badass. 9 moa green dot and no batteries. Does anybody have real world experience with this?
IT'S MADE IN THE USA

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/861298-REG/Trijicon_rm05g_RMR_Dual_Illuminated_Reflex_Sight.html/overview

https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/rm05g

 

[308pirate]

$359 for a Trijicon with a retail of $603? Super badass. 9 moa green dot and no batteries. Does anybody have real world experience with this?
IT'S MADE IN THE USA

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/861298-REG/Trijicon_rm05g_RMR_Dual_Illuminated_Reflex_Sight.html/overview

https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/rm05g

They suck in low light.

Spend 150 more and get this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1366452-REG/trijicon_rm07_c_700679_rm07_rmr_type_2.html

Trust me on this

 

[Milf Dots]

On at least three different gun sites I've read the "Dual Illumination" models are not as good as the conventional RMRs.

 

[Gustav7]

You guys are a wealth of knowledge.
The more I think about it and the more I read... Maybe I'll run this new pistol a few times with just the stock sights. Then I will have the slide machined. Like someone on here said, the backup sight is on the backup gun. I will still have my 92 with open sights. I will treat this like my rifle that has a scope and no open sights. It will be a carry optic/limited optic gun and maybe an open gun if I put a compensator on it. Shoot some hogs with it and maybe a house gun. It's not a carry gun that has to perform when SHTF.

So I am not buying one right this second, I want as much sight as I can get for the money and I'm still in the research stage. Lets say I set my budget around $300, maybe a hair higher. That gets me up into some name brand optics with a warranty.
What am I doing with this thing? USPSA and maybe shooting pigs, so my distances are mostly inside 20 yards. Pretty sure I want the big dot.
I use red lights when shooting at night, so I think I want a green dot.

The Bushnell RXc-200 is a 6 moa dot with a 5 year warranty. Has a RMS footprint. But it looks like you have to take it off to change the battery.


C-more has a few that have 6 moa or bigger dots. They are more money but have a 30 year warranty. The CRC looks like you have to take it off to change the battery, but it has the RMS footprint. The RTS2B and the STS2 have a side loading battery tray, but they say you need their mounting kit to put it on.

Holosun 407 either the HE or HS 407k, I don't really see the difference between the 2 except the price. 6 moa and side load battery. They have a 10 year warranty.


SIG Romeo 1 and Pro looks nice too. Top loading battery but looks to have a different foot print. 5 year warranty.

Also there are some cool guys at the little local match I shoot that run carry optics. I'll look through what they are using.

Again, thank you guys. There is soooo much out there. You think you know what you want, but then more information changes the way you look at things.

Sign up for Primary Arms email list. They send out 12% of coupons almost monthly. A few times a year they’ll have a Trijicon sale and 10-12% off. I got my SRO for $459, and my RMR for right at about $400.

You can also buy used.

I am in the minority who likes a small dot. I run a 1 MOA on my comp SRO and love it. But generally I would follow the 3-6moa advice

 

[Racer88]

Sign up for Primary Arms email list. They send out 12% of coupons almost monthly.

Also 10% off if you register as a veteran, active duty, LE, - year-round.

Military and LE Pricing

 

[SanPatHogger]

I'm pretty sure EOTECH is usually a pretty high end brand too. But nobody mentioned them.

EOTECH EFLX 6 MOA Mini Reflex Sight - Tan

DetailsThe EOTECH EFLX 6 MOA Mini Reflex Sight is a high-quality and reliable sight that is perfect for a variety of shooting applications. It is durable, easy to use, and has a clear sight picture.It is also versatile, with 8 brightness settings for use in a variety of lighting conditions...

www.primaryarms.com

 

[E. Bryant]

On at least three different gun sites I've read the "Dual Illumination" models are not as good as the conventional RMRs.

But what has your experience taught you?

 

[pmclaine]

It sort of reminds me of a Leupold and an RMR having children.

Eotech will suffer from the belief, real or imagined, that their other optics had a zero shift in cold weather.

My first choice would still be RMR but if saving another month or two was out of the question the mere fact I don't know where that is built would have me researching where it was built but most importantly its performance.

It has to perform first than I take made in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, or the Philippines in no particular order over communism any day, and probably still buy a Trijicon dual illum over any of those anyway.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Stay away from anything with big circles tiny dots chevrons cross hairs and anything else that isn't a dot.

Can you elaborate a little on your objection to a 10 MOA chevron? I haven't looked at one in person yet, and I am trying to understand what the issue is. I have read a couple of reviews where the chevron won over skeptical reviewers after using it and weighing pros and cons. I would be interested in hearing your experience with it and analysis of any pros or cons you would like to share. I'll probably be choosing a red for sight in the next year or so, and I would like to learn as much as possible from the experience of others before doing so.

 

[Racer88]

Can you elaborate a little on your objection to a 10 MOA chevron? I haven't looked at one in person yet, and I am trying to understand what the issue is. I have read a couple of reviews where the chevron won over skeptical reviewers after using it and weighing pros and cons. I would be interested in hearing your experience with it and analysis of any pros or cons you would like to share. I'll probably be choosing a red for sight in the next year or so, and I would like to learn as much as possible from the experience of others before doing so.

I wasn't sure if I would like the chevron. But I love it. I find it very intuitive and easier to pick up than a dot, which can be a factor for defensive use. It's like an arrow saying, "bullet goes here."

Besides being large and easy to pick up, it can be used as a "bullet drop compensator" for various distances at the range.

I got the green version and like it very much.

YMMV.

 

[Gustav7]

Can you elaborate a little on your objection to a 10 MOA chevron? I haven't looked at one in person yet, and I am trying to understand what the issue is. I have read a couple of reviews where the chevron won over skeptical reviewers after using it and weighing pros and cons. I would be interested in hearing your experience with it and analysis of any pros or cons you would like to share. I'll probably be choosing a red for sight in the next year or so, and I would like to learn as much as possible from the experience of others before doing so.

My opinion, for the $0 its worth, is that Chevron style reticles aren't natural or intuitive, and they are used incorrectly in a pistol style red dot. Again, this is not a rifle scope, so at no time should you be looking at the dot. So having a "refined" point at the top is worthless in my mind since I shouldn't be "aiming" with anything but my eyes on the target. The reason a circle is so intuitive is because its symmetrical and clean. When you start talking about shot calling and assessment of your fundamentals using the dot, a chevron really starts to dirty up the mix, and adds a screwed up component of having a perfectly clean, round circle now be an oblong arrow head thing lol.

I don't mind a chevron on a carbine or in something like an ACOG, because it can be utilized properly in that role, but shifting it to a pistol dot seems like either marketing strategies or done by someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with pistol dot shooting...or both.

Of course, that all being said, different strokes for different folks and I'm sure someone somewhere prefers the chevron, so you do you. For what its worth, I've shot 10's of thousands of rounds with pistol RDS and I shoot with guys who have 100's of thousands of rounds and I've never heard anyone say they prefer a chevron for serious shooting. For fun, do whatever you want.

 

[Gustav7]

I wasn't sure if I would like the chevron. But I love it. I find it very intuitive and easier to pick up than a dot. It's like an arrow saying, "bullet goes here."

Besides being large and easy to pick up, it can be used as a "bullet drop compensator."

I got the green version and like it very much.

YMMV.

Heyyyyy I knew there'd be someone who liked the chevron lol.

I'm curious why you'd need a bullet drop compensator on a pistol? Unless you're talking a rifle?

 

[Secant]

I'm not big into pistols, but I bought a not-a-glock this past spring and put an RMR07 on it. I only have about 3,000 rounds on it now, but I do prefer the 07 to the 06 that I've used in the past.

I do wish I could get an ACRO with larger dot.

 

[308pirate]

Can you elaborate a little on your objection to a 10 MOA chevron? I haven't looked at one in person yet, and I am trying to understand what the issue is. I have read a couple of reviews where the chevron won over skeptical reviewers after using it and weighing pros and cons. I would be interested in hearing your experience with it and analysis of any pros or cons you would like to share. I'll probably be choosing a red for sight in the next year or so, and I would like to learn as much as possible from the experience of others before doing so.

See reply from @Gustav7

Who makes a 10 moa chevron in a pistol reflex sight?

 

[308pirate]

I wasn't sure if I would like the chevron. But I love it. I find it very intuitive and easier to pick up than a dot, which can be a factor for defensive use. It's like an arrow saying, "bullet goes here."

I'm just about certain you and most people focus on the reticle and not the target.

Post a video of you shooting a 10 yd group with the front of your chevron Holosun covered up with tape and I'll eat crow.

 

[Racer88]

Heyyyyy I knew there'd be someone who liked the chevron lol.

I'm curious why you'd need a bullet drop compensator on a pistol? Unless you're talking a rifle?

I'm not saying you need it. Just that it can be used that way. For defensive type shooting... of course not.

But at the range, if I want to do some more "precision" shooting at various distances, I can use the chevron as a reference for a better / more predictable POI.

It's funny you said it wasn't intuitive. I find it super-intuitive. So, of course... "YMMV." In the end, any of us will have to find out for ourselves. Each of us will have different preferences.

But for defensive style shooting, I really like it. Otherwise, I would agree with another poster's suggestion of a BIGGER dot.

I've done a total of 16 hours of training (with instructors) with my EDC equipped with the Holosun 507C ACSS. Without a doubt, I am faster with the optic than I am with irons.

The biggest advantage is a full-time focus on the threat / target.

 

[Racer88]

See reply from @Gustav7

Who makes a 10 moa chevron in a pistol reflex sight?

Holosun. The 507C with ACSS Vulcan reticle. I believe it is a Primary Arms exclusive. But it may be available elsewhere. I paid $315 with my veteran's discount.

 

[308pirate]

For what its worth, I've shot 10's of thousands of rounds with pistol RDS and I shoot with guys who have 100's of thousands of rounds and I've never heard anyone say they prefer a chevron for serious shooting. For fun, do whatever you want.

This is what 99% of the people on here talking about this just don't realize.

What you and I do in USPSA stress tests the entire system to a degree that backyard plinkers and tactical dudebros running drills and going to classes cannot ever imagine.

It has to be a giant clue that nobody, I mean NOBODY, who is anywhere near successful in a USPSA division where optics are permitted uses anything other than a round dot. And the trend is towards larger dots, not smaller (you being the oddball LOL).

 

[308pirate]

This one is a RMR footprint and 6 moa dot. It is cheap enough that if I don't like it I could re purpose it for something else or sell it off dirt cheap.

Wrong

No one will give you even $50 for that POS after you try to dump it........if it even lasts that long LOL.