Some of us have been busy collecting parts.
Getting stuff ready for 2024 season. Thinking the AT-X with 6.5cm with slow, heavy 153gr A-Tip.
Plus all the other cool toys every boy needs for matches.
Plus all the other cool toys every boy needs for matches.
Are you out west? I've seen that slow and heavy trend over here on the east but I don't understand it for here. 99% of the places we shoot you get 5-10mph. Can't see where the advantage is over going medium weight and as fast as you can (except barrel life).
Honest question, I kind of stopped competing right after GT and TBAC bipods were all the rage.
Heavier and slower is better for watching trace.
In my humble opinion, I have settled on 140gr’s around 2720-2750fps out of a 24” barrel suppressed for team and field matches after witnessing 6mm (GT, CM, x47, Dasher, BR, BRA, BRX) struggle at distance in team and field matches
Not sure honestly. Took some time off and when I came back the heavy and slow trend was already here. So I'm just testing it out. The AG Cup was won this year with a slow 6.5cm heavy. That match is typically pretty rough with target size and such. Not that one match means anything, but it's something.
The whole point of slow 6mm is being able to see more things downrange. Slowing a heavy 6.5cm down gives about the exact same wind holds, but a larger bullet. So, in theory, should be more to see than the 6mm.
153gr A-Tip is performing well so far. (sorry to derail thread, but at least it was shot out of an AI)
Cleaned up my AT and took some of the AT specific accessories off to give it a more classic appearance. While I had the skins off I took some pictures for the curious people. Think the skins are off a 1.5 Legacy AICS that have been hydrodipped in branded multicam. Looks like some modifications were done with a dremel to make them fit flush but all the bolt holes line up minus 1 near the middle of the foreend which doesn't really even seem necessary. It's basically an AW with a quick barrel change so really the best of both worlds. Really want to get a heavier longer barrel with fluting and an AI break next.
Worked out a deal here to trade my stick for a 16.5" 6.5 CM.
I appreciate the pictures that helped make the decision!
@TanktheFrank enjoy it. It's honestly a nice little barrel to mess with. I have OLD 140gr A-max ammo I was getting 2630fps from and I have 140 and 142smk loads getting 2550fps. Surprisingly decent from a 16.5".
@jmar I'm going to spam this picture until the mods ban it but this is my favorite AI. Your skins look excellent and I've been talking about doing the same and painting my barrels the lighter green to match this AI. I think it's someone here but I can never remember who.
@jmar I'm going to spam this picture until the mods ban it but this is my favorite AI. Your skins look excellent and I've been talking about doing the same and painting my barrels the lighter green to match this AI. I think it's someone here but I can never remember who.
What is the difference between the axsr and comp trigger? And will they both fit in the AXSA?
Pretty sure the AXSR is just a different version of a comp trigger but can't be set as low as the comp trigger. But won't drop into an AX/AT/AT-X rifle.
Well, I’ll be damned. Those are modified AICS 2.0 skins. I’ll bet AW skins would work even better….
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I think the internals are the same but the mounting points are different. The AXSR trigger has a roll pin holding it to the chassis in addition to the 2 bolts. I don't think the AXSR trigger will fit in other rifles but the AXSR might accept other AI triggers. Im not sure about this though, maybe someone else knows.
I took a class with Frank this September (do it every year he comes back East) and he mentioned that it is a new trend with some PRS competitors. Used to be lighter and FAST but now lots of competitors are going big and slow as it makes it easier to see your shots downrange. I have not tried heavier bullets yet but may give it a shot...so to speak.
Sneaking an airsoft gun in there huh? (2nd one in from left).
I used to do a 6.5x47 with heavies back when everyone was on the 6creeds and 6XCs and won my first match then for those reasons. I got made fun of for doing it. I'm convinced PRS shooters are just Taylor Swift and instead of jumping from guy to guy they jump from trend to trend.
My understanding is the old “cg Jackson” trigger evolved into Tom Myers “mod22” Xtreme trigger. I don’t remember when I started using that trigger but it was maybe a year or two before the first mammoth. I used them exclusively in the first and second gen bighorns and then surgeons over about 50 PRS matches until I stopped around 2016. Never had any trigger failures or stoppages. I think sometime around 2014 one of them started feeling a little gummy and George Gardner took it apart and scrubbed the crap out of it for me and it was great until I switched.
Unfortunately when I moved from surgeon to impacts the mod22 wouldn’t fit in the impacts trigger hanger so I followed the crowd to triggertech single stages.
The axsr trigger was a big part of my decision to purchase an axsr. AI made a solid choice.
Probably a silly question, but can you shoot 6BR out of an AXMC? Are there spacer kits and how does it feed?
Send some to me I’ll try them out
. Yea the biggest give away they are AICS is the bolt cutout but I don’t know if I’d even want to cut up a pair of original AW skins 
Just got my new 26 inch m24 contour bartlien barrel back. Showing promising groups during break in. Loaded up another 20 rounds of Virginia lapua brass and 175 smk for this week after work
My "old" AWSM ( mixed with some others in my collection
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Send some to me I’ll try them out
Why wouldn’t anyone use a set of AW skins, when they have a set?
Especially if they’ve got a bare AT chassis to check the fit….
Atx and AWM doing great work as usual. Garmin chrono bad ass as well
I've cloned and collected USMC sniper rifle for years but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think about selling 1 or 2 or 3 to buy an AWM or even an AW. As a kid Watching the "old" military channel and they had a documentary on British snipers and specifically on the AWM and AW design. Fell in love ever since. Might be time for acquiring one...My "old" AWSM ( mixed with some others in my collection
True. They have all this data on what is popular in ELR, but choose a 50BMG as the only option. They really like shooting theirselves in the foot.
True that. They will get very little interest from the civilian elr crowd until they have a cheytac boltface.
They will eventually come out with the other bolt bodies...when they feel like it
They had expected to release the cheytac bolt this year but they were awarded some more gov contracts so it’s been pushed back until next year
They'll release the .375 CT bolts for the AX ELR shortly after they release the .223 and magnum bolts for the AXSA/AT.
Should be any day now...
Should be any day now...
I asked about the cheytac in germany, Info from AI: will not be available for the civilian market. Seems those are build for some specific ammo and they cant make sure accuracy works in general. As far as i understood Military units already have them in use.
Best regards
Daniel
Best regards
Daniel
Or my LH AXMC bolt with a 300 WM bolt faceThey'll release the .375 CT bolts for the AX ELR shortly after they release the .223 and magnum bolts for the AXSA/AT.
Should be any day now...
I don’t want to sound dramatic for this first part so I’ll take the hit if I do sound dramatic. AI more so than any other brand that I can think of, really just does not listen to their civilian customers. They really need a good program manager for the civilian market. Hell they could just slightly copy the direction all the other manufacturers have gone and they would do just fine. Or maybe the civilian market is so small for them and selling complete fire control system like the SA mag bolt + firing pin for $1,100.00 isn’t worth it. I mean who sells a FCS that cost that much anyways and yet people have been asking for the bolt for like 8 years?? Probably longer.
They have their AX50 ELR spec’d with a heavy trigger, a forend tube that’s like ~13” long, and a 27” 50BMG (most ELR shooters do not like anything about that cartridge design). Ok all that’s fine for an HTI mission which btw is not a common mission whatsoever, so I struggle to even see the military/LE demand but I guess gov money has the print button to buy whatever.
Anyone who is into ELR competitions and has built custom rifles for it would criticize instantly: trigger needs to be much lighter and the forend tube needs to be like 16-18” long. Someone is going to throw a 36-40” barrel on the thing if they’re going to use it in competition. They want the bipod far out for stability.
The rifle is what ~$15k after tax? Then someone is going to dumb another $1.5k to get a 416B barrel. Then buy a bipod extender because the forend is so short. It just doesn’t even make sense.
They have their AX50 ELR spec’d with a heavy trigger, a forend tube that’s like ~13” long, and a 27” 50BMG (most ELR shooters do not like anything about that cartridge design). Ok all that’s fine for an HTI mission which btw is not a common mission whatsoever, so I struggle to even see the military/LE demand but I guess gov money has the print button to buy whatever.
Anyone who is into ELR competitions and has built custom rifles for it would criticize instantly: trigger needs to be much lighter and the forend tube needs to be like 16-18” long. Someone is going to throw a 36-40” barrel on the thing if they’re going to use it in competition. They want the bipod far out for stability.
The rifle is what ~$15k after tax? Then someone is going to dumb another $1.5k to get a 416B barrel. Then buy a bipod extender because the forend is so short. It just doesn’t even make sense.
Mfw your on the waitlist to pay $950 for a .308 bolt to have the boltface opened up to be able to run 6.5 PRC because autism.
It’s definitely an abusive relationship
^every time we ask AI/KAC/HK/LMT/Tasco for stuff
The bolt backorder only took me 13 months, it could have been worse
To add to @JB.IC list... I never understood why AI doesn't ensure that at bolt bodies, FP assemblies and all mags for the current premier platform are not in stock at all time. Currently that platform is the AXSR, if the rifle is selling at a premium price and a key feature is multi caliber. That feature should be supported in the market with available parts that are readily available
Basically, if you expect customers to drop $10k on the rifle at least keep bolt bodies, firing pins and mags stocked up at distributors. Or, real world example... A few weeks ago a shooter that is new to long range rolls up to the range with an AXSR leftie in 300 PRC, predicably recoil is a challenge (plus cross eye dominance.) I didn't want to say it but a great investment would be a 6.5 CM conversion, but who knows if it will be in stock or how many months of wait listing it back ordering that would take.
