Something kicking off in Israel

[earthtrekker1775]

I stand behind neither side but my sympathy goes more to the non Israeli's, call them what you want.

Putting all Biblical rights to the land aside, the bottom line is that the Gold merchant backed British Jews went to that land and brutally displaced 100.000's of people.

Thats it, bottom line, period.

If someone came and took your home, just because they could, how long would you be pissed and what lengths would you go to to exact revenge?

You claim to stand behind neither side, and you may not, but you are one of the most vocal antisemites on the forum.

Just out of curiosity, who's ancestral land exactly, are you currently squatting on in Wyoming... and when are you planning on giving it back?

 

[JoeZ]

"And to the angel of the church of Smyrna write: These things saith the First and the Last, who was dead and is alive: I know thy tribulation and thy poverty: but thou art rich. And thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Apocalypse 2:8-9

 

[UKDslayer]

Not clear how many got through the iron dome; Iran promise payback, I guess this is it. Iran was pissed that it's manufacturing facilities for the weapons that they were going to use for their nuclear options was destroyed in the last hour attack air attack by Israel.

I have to wait till morning we will have to wait until morning to see damages done.

 

[lariat]

Israeli Cabinet Has Approved A Ceasefire In Lebanon | ZeroHedge

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"After months of heavy fighting which has included airstrikes and an IDF ground invasion of Lebanon, it finally looks official. Israel's Channel 12 and others are reporting Tuesday evening (local time) that the Israeli cabinet has approved a ceasefire in Lebanon.

In announcing the ceasefire, Netanyahu called out both Iran and Syria's Assad. He stressed that Israel is "Determined to prevent Iran from having nuclear arms" and that Assad is "playing with fire" in his coordination with the Islamic Republic and Hezbollah. The prime minister also stressed that Hezbollah will be attacked if its fighters break the deal. Netanyahu added that the ceasefire deal means Israel will now focus on the Iranian threat. He pledged that all Israeli citizens in the north will be able to return to their homes.

"We were able to achieve many of our goals during this war," he said. The ceasefire is expected to take effect Wednesday. Jerusalem Post writes, "Presidents Biden and Macron will announce the deal during the night, with the alleged agreement set to take effect at 10 a.m. tomorrow."

 

[lariat]

This might have something to do with the cease fire.

Nearly 10,000 Buildings Destroyed By Hezbollah In Israel's North: Report | ZeroHedge

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"More than 9,000 buildings and 7,000 vehicles have been damaged or destroyed by Hezbollah operations against the Israeli north since the start of the war, Yedioth Ahronoth reported on Tuesday – highlighting the "unimaginable" losses ahead of a potential ceasefire deal with Lebanon.

"In the conflict line settlements, there is almost no building that does not require renovation - or demolition and rebuilding," said the Israeli newspaper’s electronic site Ynet.

Beirut has expressed cautious optimism, as Netanyahu has consistently blocked a deal from going through in Gaza for over a year. The agreement focuses on UN Resolution 1701. As part of the deal, Hezbollah is required to withdraw beyond the Litani River, with the Lebanese army deploying its forces south.

Yet Israelis and the settler officials from the battered north are furious about the potential agreement and are far from satisfied with the fact that the deal reportedly stipulates that Lebanese army forces are responsible for dismantling Hezbollah infrastructure along the border.

The settlers feel the government has abandoned them. Many refuse to return to the ravaged wasteland from which they were forced to evacuate at the start of the fighting, as they feel Hezbollah has not been deterred and view the agreement as a surrender. "

 

[lariat]

Israeli finance minister threatens to topple government if Gaza not occupied | News

Bezalel Smotrich calls Gaza ceasefire deal ‘very serious mistake'

www.yenisafak.com

 

[Fig]

The Arabs in the Levant have a genocidal, engineered culture organized around the hatred of Jews as their central reason for existing. No other culture in the history of the earth has lived anywhere for three or four generations and still considered themselves "refugees". This is to keep a terrorist war going in perpetuity. There is no assimilating them, appeasing them, pacifying them, or dissuading them from their religiously melded dreams of another holocaust. In the 20 years they've been in absolute control of Gaza they've done nothing but focus on destroying Israel to the great detriment of anyone not part of Hamas. Wiping them out completely is the only legitimate path to peace. All this stupid deal does is keep Hamas on life support.

 

[kalashnikev]

The Arabs in the Levant have a genocidal, engineered culture organized around the hatred of Jews as their central reason for existing.

They wouldn't have to be hated if they just lived clean, moral lives and paid their own way.

They all have two Passports- one real one, and one J-state issued. Every single one of them has the option to straighten themselves out and return home at any time.

 

[Bigfatcock]

The answer is to carpet bomb both sides into submission.

 

[kalashnikev]

The answer is to carpet bomb both sides into submission.

The day we stop paying to prop up the J-state is the day that flag comes down.

There is no need to bomb or kill anyone.

They will all return to European capitals with forged deeds to all the high end properties. They will tell the occupants that their ancestors owned it in 1934 before the Big Bad took it away from them, and that the actual owner must be a part of the Big Bad.

Those people will be forced out in the street, and the Zionists will live in their homes.

These people absolutely-do-not want to live honest lives. They are a people without morality.

There are even engraved pavers outside of certain properties- staking out their future turf.

Many Americans will continue to support the Zionist ideology- even until the day they themselves are driven out of their homes, forced into concentration camps, and starved while they get bombs lobbed at them.

 

[chrome]

Openly admitting to funding and supplying war crimes on his way out:

 

[Fig]

I wonder what you would be saying if those clean and moral Mexicans claimed Texas was theirs and waged a never ending terrorist war on those dirty and immoral Texans? The Mexicans actually have a much stronger territorial claim to everything from Texas to California than the Arabs have on the Levant.

Joe Biden is your loadstar for your reality?

 

[hlee]

I wonder what you would be saying if those clean and moral Mexicans claimed Texas was theirs and waged a never ending terrorist war on those dirty and immoral Texans? The Mexicans actually have a much stronger territorial claim to everything from Texas to California than the Arabs have on the Levant.

Joe Biden is your loadstar for your reality?

We got plenty of “clean and moral Mexicans” here. But, they call themselves “Americans of Mexican descent.”

 

[Bigfatcock]

I wonder what you would be saying if those clean and moral Mexicans claimed Texas was theirs and waged a never ending terrorist war on those dirty and immoral Texans? The Mexicans actually have a much stronger territorial claim to everything from Texas to California than the Arabs have on the Levant.

Joe Biden is your loadstar for your reality?

Fuck the Mexicans too. They have no
Claims because we kicked their ass and took their shit. Ownership ceased for them.

 

[chrome]

In your scenario, do the texans have the mexicans locked in a box with a fence and control everything in and out?

But TBH, i dont give a shit about either side, i just want america out of the situation 100%.

 

[kalashnikev]

I wonder what you would be saying if those clean and moral Mexicans claimed Texas was theirs and waged a never ending terrorist war on those dirty and immoral Texans? The Mexicans actually have a much stronger territorial claim to everything from Texas to California than the Arabs have on the Levant.

Joe Biden is your loadstar for your reality?

This is not even a good analogy, since Texas literally was once part of Mexico.

The leaders of the J-state are all from the Former Soviet Union.

From the founder "David Ben Gurion," whose real name was Dave Green... to the current J-Caliph "Binyamin Netanyahu" whose real name is Ben Mielkowski.

Dave Green was a Russian. Ben Mielkowski is Polish.

Beelzebub Smotrich is from a place in Ukraine called, believe it or not, Smotrich.

Itamar Ben Givr- who is also crazy as a shithouse rat- is an Iraqi man (unbelievable).

Herzi Halevi is a Russian.

Yoav Gallant is a Polish.

It is true that all of those people I just named have panic rooms in their homes for the day the Palestinian people escape the concentration camps. They also have bomb shelters on site or nearby.

They also ALL have their second passport, ready to at all times, and a go-bag packed to escape to their home countries.

The only thing that keeps the genocide and occupation going is that it beats working for a living, and it's easier to steal and murder to make a life (so long as a person is convinced that they will never face consequences for their actions) than it is to live an honest life and pay your own way.

I SAY AGAIN- because people will be shocked whenit happens- the day we stop paying to prop them up is the day that flag goes down and the J-state disappears from anything but the history books.

 

[kalashnikev]

In your scenario, do the texans have the mexicans locked in a box with a fence and control everything in and out?

The Mexico analogy does not even make sense.

Here is a better one:

Imagine if Catholics declared the land around Vatican City to be their ancestral home "Promised by God" to them as "God's Chosen People."

They displace millions of Italian people into concentration camps and steal their homes and land. Fake coins are minted and thrown into the foundations of new construction saying "Catholic Only Empire - 70 AD."

While choking, starving, and slaughtering the locals... they notice that due to concentrating them so tightly they are building tall structures. They bomb these structures, murdering the people inside, while smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol at what they call the "Mt. Vesuvius Cinema" so they can get a better vantage point on the genocide of the locals.

BUT WAIT... why are all these descendents of the "Catholic Only Empire - 70 AD" from Ireland and Spain? How come LITERALLY ZERO of the ruling class, and so very few of them overall are actually descended from this imagined "Catholic Only Empire?"

And was there ever a Catholic Only Empire... even for the Italian ones?? History reveals it to be a fiction.

Oh, and the Slovenians try to help out the Italians once in a while. Oh, and the Serbians- despite being a different flavor of the same religion as the Italians- help them out big time to correct this injustice. Oh... and the Italians in the concentration camps don't simply tolerate their condition- they engage in legitimate liberation activities against the Catholic Only Empire.

There is another analogy that could be made to the Islamic State... but the Islamic State forced Christian locals to pay the Jizya and live as Dhimmis. The J-state puts the locals in concentration camps and genocides them.

 

[RUTGERS95]

This is not even a good analogy, since Texas literally was once part of Mexico.

The leaders of the J-state are all from the Former Soviet Union.

From the founder "David Ben Gurion," whose real name was Dave Green... to the current J-Caliph "Binyamin Netanyahu" whose real name is Ben Mielkowski.

Dave Green was a Russian. Ben Mielkowski is Polish.

Beelzebub Smotrich is from a place in Ukraine called, believe it or not, Smotrich.

Itamar Ben Givr- who is also crazy as a shithouse rat- is an Iraqi man (unbelievable).

Herzi Halevi is a Russian.

Yoav Gallant is a Polish.

It is true that all of those people I just named have panic rooms in their homes for the day the Palestinian people escape the concentration camps. They also have bomb shelters on site or nearby.

They also ALL have their second passport, ready to at all times, and a go-bag packed to escape to their home countries.

The only thing that keeps the genocide and occupation going is that it beats working for a living, and it's easier to steal and murder to make a life (so long as a person is convinced that they will never face consequences for their actions) than it is to live an honest life and pay your own way.

I SAY AGAIN- because people will be shocked whenit happens- the day we stop paying to prop them up is the day that flag goes down and the J-state disappears from anything but the history books.

log off, don't come back

 

[kalashnikev]

Taking this analogy further, let's say a member of your family wants to move to the Catholic Only Empire and live in the stolen home of a murdered family, and off of American welfare?

If it were my family, I'd never talk to that person again.

In many Muslim families, people made the difficult decision to turn in their own family members to American intelligence so that we could investigate their support for the Islamic State. Other than Salafists and Wahhabists, all Muslims reject the Islamic State- and it was Muslims that ended the Islamic State.

In many Jewish families, support for the Jewish State is open. There are even members of Congress whose allegiance and subservience to the Jewish State is on full display. Among the Jewish community, support for the Jewish State is widespread.

Why is this not being investigated?

We have empty rooms in GITMO right now, thanks to Biden......

 

[Soulezoo]

I wonder what you would be saying if those clean and moral Mexicans claimed Texas was theirs and waged a never ending terrorist war on those dirty and immoral Texans? The Mexicans actually have a much stronger territorial claim to everything from Texas to California than the Arabs have on the Levant.

Joe Biden is your loadstar for your reality?

Actually, I would argue that Mexico has less of a claim than anyone. Mexico was a country with those claims for about 80 years. That's it. Those claims were those made by Spain before Mexico. Many properties within New Mexico for instance still have the original Spanish government land grants. Who owned it before that? It wasn't the Mayans...

That said, I get what you were saying to begin with.

 

[kalashnikev]

Actually, I would argue that Mexico has less of a claim than anyone.
That said, I get what you were saying to begin with.

At least the land was once part of Mexico.

Nobody can actually point to an era in history when Palestine was actually "Polandstein."

 

[Fig]

Actually all those Jews spread across Europe and Asia were a diaspora from Juda/Israel. It was a return to Zion rather than a conquest.

God said he was going to take the land away, and he did. But, he promised that they would stay his chosen people, stay culturally cohesive, and ultimately return to the land he had originally gave them. There really isn't another culture in human history that has managed to stay cohesive while being scattered to the wind. The first mention of a Jewish state that God will bless is in Genesis. In 2025 when flying into Ben Gurion airport you can actually see the political boundaries of Israel. One cannot fail to see this outline as one side is green, and the other is dead...almost like one side is blessed and one side is cursed... It's quite striking. Just sayin'.

I would not need to be a believing Christian to support the one free and prosperous sliver of land, with a parliamentary democracy, in the heart of totalitarian Arab nations. However, since I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and it commands believers to bless Israel, his chosen people, on whose line of David we are grafted through Christ, the choice is even easier.

On MLK Day one might listen to his thoughts on Israel:
"You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely ‘anti-Zionist’. . . . And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God’s green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews. . . . Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so."

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all of our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel, and never mind saying it, as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land almost can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality."

MLK was certainly a flawed sinner like the rest of us, but he did know the Bible and knew right from wrong even if he sometimes chose wrong...

 

[kalashnikev]

Actually all those Jews spread across Europe and Asia were a diaspora from Juda/Israel. It was a return to Zion rather than a conquest.

No, because being Jewish is a religion... and being Polish is a Nationality.

Those Russians, Ukrainians, and Poles clustered in Palestine formed the terror groups Irgun, Hagganah, and others who drove the locals off their land, into neighboring countries, and into concentration camps- which they still operate today.

This is perfectly analogous to Chechens, Pakistanis, and even Americans who clustered in Northern Iraq/ Eastern Syria and formed the terror groups AQI, Daesh/ ISIS and others who drove the locals off their land, into neighboring countries, and forced those who remained to live in a religious ethnostate as dhimmis or under Sharia.

We did the right thing with the Islamic State, because we are a just people. It is our duty and our responsibility as the world's only superpower to press permanent-pause on humanitarian atrocities.

We did not do the right thing with the Jewish State. Their sick way of life was flying under the radar, even in the digital age- though it's now front and center for all the world to see... even for those who would rather ignore it.

The days of the J-state as it exists today are very short. What form it takes in the future depends on a lot of different things, but mostly on the Jews themselves as a religion.

If they reject the J-state... as all Muslims other than Salafists and Wahhabists reject the Islamic State... they will have the best chance of reconciling with humanity.

If they do not? They won't be safe inside their terror state, and they won't be welcome anywhere else... so what then?

 

[kalashnikev]

Also- not addressed, but what your God tells you is irrelevant to others.

That's not meant as an offense.

You shouldn't care what my God tells me, or what Vivek Ramamaamamla's Gods tell him.

 

[JoeZ]

Sorry but the above (the post by Fig) is pseudo christian gobbldygook. Purpose made to keep American Protestants supporting the globalist concept of Israel.

It is St John who said that after the Jews committed decide the old religion became a dead religion (abandoned by God) and after 70 AD (Roman destruction of the Temple) it became a deadly religion (of the demons).

He also said that not everyone who claims to be a Jew is a Jew.

 

[Im2bent]

Also- not addressed, but what your God tells you is irrelevant to others.

That's not meant as an offense.

You shouldn't care what my God tells me, or what Vivek Ramamaamamla's Gods tell him.

So there's never going to be peace, and there will always be religious wars.....so what's going on in Gaza is the natural order of things. So why are you so upset?

 

[kalashnikev]

So there's never going to be peace, and there will always be religious wars.....so what's going on in Gaza is the natural order of things. So why are you so upset?

I'm not upset at all. Why would you think that?

The current conflict in Gaza (and the West Bank) is not a "War," but rather an extermination campaign being carried out against the Palestinian people.

The current violent expansion efforts into Syria and Lebanon do meet the definition of a War.

The only reason why the J-state feels that they can behave in this way, is because they are so-so-sure that we would never flip the script on them and start wholesale slaying them to restore order to the region, and to make the Middle East non-nuclear again.

We don't even need to do that though- all we need to do is stop paying them, and that flag comes down in less than a month. They will be ringing the doorbells in Europe, fake deeds in hand, trying once-again to steal from good people rather than pay their own way and live moral lives.

 

[lariat]

Sorry but the above (the post by Fig) is pseudo christian gobbldygook. Purpose made to keep American Protestants supporting the globalist concept of Israel.

It is St John who said that after the Jews committed decide the old religion became a dead religion (abandoned by God) and after 70 AD (Roman destruction of the Temple) it became a deadly religion (of the demons).

He also said that not everyone who claims to be a Jew is a Jew.

I know what you are trying to convey, but it is an oversimplification. Scripture says that in the last days the veil will be lifted from the Jews after the number of Gentiles has been brought into the Kingdom. The Messianic Jews that are coming to Christ are a testimony to this, albeit the initial stages of it. While what you are saying is technically correct within the confines of holding to the Law and rejecting Christ, it must be remembered that God still has his eye on them and has not forgotten them just as He did not forget the Gentiles. That is truly a loving, merciful and graceful God, willing to accept all who come to him in faith and repentance.

The question it seems surrounds more of the mortal plane: is what Israel is currently doing in line with what God's desires and character? We all have our opinions and I strongly suspect that there won't be 100% agreement ever. Just the way it is, we live in a fallen world.

 

[JoeZ]

Agreed for the most part, but now factor in to your mortal plane argument that those in control of the modern day Israel aren't descended from the race that my Lord Jesus Christ was. Semitic ish or not, they simply are not from the ancient Hebrews. In fact, the people in Palestine have more Hebrew blood that the average Zionist. That's why Israel will never run them out or kill them all. They aren't all Arabs there.

 

[kalashnikev]

The question it seems surrounds more of the mortal plane: is what Israel is currently doing in line with what God's desires and character?

Slaughtering children and then doing Talmudic Blood Rituals with their toys on Chinese Tik Tok?

It is in line with their God's desire, according to them. It helps them out, because they don't have to work or take out a mortgage.

You don't need to go into the Bible and say, "Oh, shit... it literally says that exactly this would happen and that they are Demons in the Synagogue of Satan!"

...because not everyone follows the same religion. Not everyone follows the Bible.

It's actually very, very simple and needs no theological explanation- the J-state got caught running concentration camps, because October 7th made the world finally be honest about what they were doing. Then they ramped up the genocide, because America was willing to bankroll it, and they thought that they could get away with it.

This will all lead in a straight line to the next 9/11 terror event in this country... and that won't need a theological explanation involving jihad-bis-saif or anything like that either- it will be just blowback for providing cash and weapons to the J-state.

This is all super simple stuff.

 

[JoeZ]

This will all lead in a straight line to the next 9/11 terror event in this country... and that won't need a theological explanation involving jihad-bis-saif or anything like that either- it will be just blowback for providing cash and weapons to the J-state.

This is all super simple stuff.

I'm calling it here. Operation Blue Beam.

The Scam-demic could only work under a Republican President because the libtards are easy to fool but conservative not so much. They had to be lead by someone they identify with. Their hero. Now comes mass extermination event #2. A health crisis won't work, it's too soon. We will see "aliens" before Trump's term is up and he will "fast track" whatever solution Elon Musk dreams up.

 

[lariat]

Hamas Emerges From Tunnels Still Intact, Starts 'Policing' Gaza Again | ZeroHedge

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"Hamas appears to be emerging from tunnels and rubble in Gaza to show that it never lost control of most of the area despite fifteen months of war," The Jerusalem Post acknowledges in a fresh report. "While Hamas suffered many blows from the IDF, it was able to recruit new members, and it even kept trucks and vans ready to return to the streets and show its presence."

"Videos purported to be from Gaza show the group in white pickup trucks driving around," the report continues. "The videos show large groups of armed men waving to crowds or standing and sitting on vehicles that are parading them through the streets.

Additionally, "Hamas police, an arm of the terrorist group, are also reappearing. They have been around throughout the war, but their presence has not been as clearly felt in some areas."

 

[kalashnikev]

Hamas Emerges From Tunnels Still Intact, Starts 'Policing' Gaza Again | ZeroHedge

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"Hamas appears to be emerging from tunnels and rubble in Gaza to show that it never lost control of most of the area despite fifteen months of war," The Jerusalem Post acknowledges in a fresh report. "While Hamas suffered many blows from the IDF, it was able to recruit new members, and it even kept trucks and vans ready to return to the streets and show its presence."

"Videos purported to be from Gaza show the group in white pickup trucks driving around," the report continues. "The videos show large groups of armed men waving to crowds or standing and sitting on vehicles that are parading them through the streets.

Additionally, "Hamas police, an arm of the terrorist group, are also reappearing. They have been around throughout the war, but their presence has not been as clearly felt in some areas."

The only way for Isr*el to save face in the deal and for Hamas to do the necessary work of organizing the relief effort and beginning to clean up is for them to change their name.

We formally defeated Daesh (ISIS) when they changed their name to Jabhat al Nusra (JaN)... and we became "friends" when they changed their name to Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS). Their leader, Abu Mohammed al Jewlani (Ahmed al-Sharaa) even congratulated Trump yesterday on his inauguration and the peaceful transfer of power. (LOL... I'm not even kidding.)

Hamas defended the people of Gaza from an enemy with no moral limits to their depravity, which was backed (fully) by the world's only superpower AND ALSO many other nations (to the tune of billions and billions of dollars). They've proven themselves to the people every day for 465 days of humanitarian atrocities and LOAC violations.

They also gained the respect of their Enemies (hubris played a big role in the J-state effectiveness- or lack thereof) and gained new Supporters (and probably even Enablers) worldwide. Probably some who opposed them are now sitting on the fence, even.

They aren't going anywhere... ever.

 

[lariat]

The only way for Isr*el to save face in the deal and for Hamas to do the necessary work of organizing the relief effort and beginning to clean up is for them to change their name.

We formally defeated Daesh (ISIS) when they changed their name to Jabhat al Nusra (JaN)... and we became "friends" when they changed their name to Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS). Their leader, Abu Mohammed al Jewlani (Ahmed al-Sharaa) even congratulated Trump yesterday on his inauguration and the peaceful transfer of power. (LOL... I'm not even kidding.)

Hamas defended the people of Gaza from an enemy with no moral limits to their depravity, which was backed (fully) by the world's only superpower AND ALSO many other nations (to the tune of billions and billions of dollars). They've proven themselves to the people every day for 465 days of humanitarian atrocities and LOAC violations.

They also gained the respect of their Enemies (hubris played a big role in the J-state effectiveness- or lack thereof) and gained new Supporters (and probably even Enablers) worldwide. Probably some who opposed them are now sitting on the fence, even.

They aren't going anywhere... ever.

Is this thread about to go the way of the Ukraine thread now? Is this the new strategy around here?

Why can't we have nice things? Or at least keep the news, even with all its warts.

 

[Kamerad]

The Arabs in the Levant have a genocidal, engineered culture organized around the hatred of Jews as their central reason for existing. No other culture in the history of the earth has lived anywhere for three or four generations and still considered themselves "refugees". This is to keep a terrorist war going in perpetuity. There is no assimilating them, appeasing them, pacifying them, or dissuading them from their religiously melded dreams of another holocaust. In the 20 years they've been in absolute control of Gaza they've done nothing but focus on destroying Israel to the great detriment of anyone not part of Hamas. Wiping them out completely is the only legitimate path to peace. All this stupid deal does is keep Hamas on life support.

Actually all those Jews spread across Europe and Asia were a diaspora from Juda/Israel. It was a return to Zion rather than a conquest.

God said he was going to take the land away, and he did. But, he promised that they would stay his chosen people, stay culturally cohesive, and ultimately return to the land he had originally gave them. There really isn't another culture in human history that has managed to stay cohesive while being scattered to the wind. The first mention of a Jewish state that God will bless is in Genesis. In 2025 when flying into Ben Gurion airport you can actually see the political boundaries of Israel. One cannot fail to see this outline as one side is green, and the other is dead...almost like one side is blessed and one side is cursed... It's quite striking. Just sayin'.

I would not need to be a believing Christian to support the one free and prosperous sliver of land, with a parliamentary democracy, in the heart of totalitarian Arab nations. However, since I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and it commands believers to bless Israel, his chosen people, on whose line of David we are grafted through Christ, the choice is even easier.

On MLK Day one might listen to his thoughts on Israel:
"You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely ‘anti-Zionist’. . . . And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God’s green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews. . . . Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so."

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all of our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel, and never mind saying it, as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land almost can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality."

MLK was certainly a flawed sinner like the rest of us, but he did know the Bible and knew right from wrong even if he sometimes chose wrong...

 

[37L1]

The only way for Isr*el to save face in the deal and for Hamas to do the necessary work of organizing the relief effort and beginning to clean up is for them to change their name.

We formally defeated Daesh (ISIS) when they changed their name to Jabhat al Nusra (JaN)... and we became "friends" when they changed their name to Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS). Their leader, Abu Mohammed al Jewlani (Ahmed al-Sharaa) even congratulated Trump yesterday on his inauguration and the peaceful transfer of power. (LOL... I'm not even kidding.)

Hamas defended the people of Gaza from an enemy with no moral limits to their depravity, which was backed (fully) by the world's only superpower AND ALSO many other nations (to the tune of billions and billions of dollars). They've proven themselves to the people every day for 465 days of humanitarian atrocities and LOAC violations.

They also gained the respect of their Enemies (hubris played a big role in the J-state effectiveness- or lack thereof) and gained new Supporters (and probably even Enablers) worldwide. Probably some who opposed them are now sitting on the fence, even.

They aren't going anywhere... ever.

You do have a different way of looking at things.

 

[Fig]

Also- not addressed, but what your God tells you is irrelevant to others.

That's not meant as an offense.

You shouldn't care what my God tells me, or what Vivek Ramamaamamla's Gods tell him.

That’s just ridiculous. If Vivek’s God(s) tells him we are all born to an immutable station in life, because of crimes in a past life, that belief is incompatible with my beliefs and values. Probably yours too. So too is it impossible to live in peace with someone’s craven images and false prophets that tell them to strike off my head and convert me by the sword. “Coexist” presupposes Judeo-Christian values that encourage peaceful interaction and coexistence. This cannot exist with any religion that proscribes punishment and death for apostacy or blasphemy, which precludes any sort of pluralistic society. These are literally dead end religions. It is really only the casual adherents who do not agree with or believe in the actual texts who are able to live among us and thrive peacefully. Any religion must be judged by the most zealous and ardent believers, because they are the ones truly following.

Christianity is foundational and baked in to our system of government not by direct quotation, but by fundamental premise. Even professed atheists like, Richard Dawkins, understand how intrinsic and fundamental Christian values are to all Western society even absent any belief and faith. Acknowledging that some religions and societies are incompatible with individual liberty and our way of life is not racism or prejudice. It's discernment of ideas and common sense, and it's that simple. To fail to understand them and project your own kumbaya proclivities (that you derive from Judeo-Christian values) is a dangerous enforced ignorance; just as projecting your own atheism and nihilism on all the believers in the world prevents you from understanding actual motivation and intent. You are left in perpetual darkness as to why people act the way they do, and why societies move in the direction that they do.

The codices, scriptures, creeds, and doctrines are ideas, and to pretend they are all the same or somehow equal is as idiotic as saying that all ideas are the same. While that may help you justify being spiritually dead and denying all reality but the single one we share, it's practical application is, again, enforced ignorance.

One of the best illustrations of this is the Christianization of Scandinavia. Their ancient Norse religion was basically one of woe and suffering with no way out except to die in battle. The only real believers in it were the Vikings and priests. This is basically what happens when the warriors are allowed to create the religion (sound familiar?). In a couple of hundred years the Old Norse Religion was dead without any conquest among the people, which is incredible and a testament to just how bad and empty it was for the vast majority of people who were primarily farmers and prolific traders for whom it promised nothing in this life or the next. As an example it does not stand alone, and in retrospect it did not survive because it was not totalitarian enough, and force submission enough for all the people for whom it only provided suffering (sound familiar?).

The Christian religion asks to you turn on your mind and open your heart. Not to turn it off and close it. This was a prior failing of the Catholic Church, and one they were able to correct, which is why they have prospered. It directs believers to turn outward, and look for truth. Not to turn inward and seek emptiness like Eastern Religions.

Faith and belief may seem incomprehensible to you, but it doesn't to the 87% of the earth's humans who do. I think the old saying that if you don't believe in something you'll fall for anything is accurate. Just don't forget that dismissing the unknown takes at least as much faith as acknowledging it, even though we do it so imperfectly.

And, Yea, MLKs associations with the communists was certainly a blot on his memory and the height of hypocrisy for a Baptist minister. That is the primary reason I qualified the quotes by pointing out that he was a sinner. That said, revolutionaries as well as governments often make poor choices and ally with bad people simply because they have common enemies. More often than not they come to regret it. Who isn't guilty of that? Still, the USSR and Stalin did the lions share to beat the Nazis. Then again, you probably think that was not a great victory for the good guys.

 

[Im2bent]

Now that the rats havecrawled out of their holes would be a good time for one final massive strike.

 

[Fig]

Agree. I was \kind of hoping it was another beeper ruse and the drones would be singing. Crazy how they could miss massive tunnel complexes housing thousands of fighters. Just another testament to how little they care about their own people and designed the thing only to protect Hamas at the expense of all the Arabs who have the misfortune to live there.

 

[Emerson0311]

Is this thread about to go the way of the Ukraine thread now? Is this the new strategy around here?

Why can't we have nice things? Or at least keep the news, even with all its warts.

Yes. Just ban the idiots please.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Just remember,
It was our interference and arming our brutal "buddies" in the Gaza area that lead to Hamas taking power...

 

[kalashnikev]

that belief is incompatible with my beliefs and values. Probably yours too. So too is it impossible to live in peace with someone’s craven images and false prophets...

Here's the thing though- nobody gives a hoot.

That's between you and your God, and me and mine.

We have the freedom to worship as we choose in this country.

Those who feel otherwise? ...are actually allowed to feel that way, because we also have freedom of speech!

Those who interfere with the rights of others to worship as they choose? ...need to be punished.

 

[Im2bent]

Here's the thing though- nobody gives a hoot.

That's between you and your God, and me and mine.

We have the freedom to worship as we choose in this country.

Those who feel otherwise? ...are actually allowed to feel that way, because we also have freedom of speech!

Those who interfere with the rights of others to worship as they choose? ...need to be punished

Which is why hamas was being punished.

 

[fx77]

There is a Russian Joke that applies analogously to the Palestinian Issue

Boris had a neighbor who had a goat
Boris had no goat and was very jealous
A genie appeared, and offered Boris anything one wish could desire. Infinite wealth. Eternal life. A herd of a million goats.
So the genie asked him to make a wish

So boris wished, " I want my neighbor's goat to die"

So say the Palestinians

 

[doubloon]

You shouldn't care what my God tells me, or what Vivek Ramamaamamla's Gods tell him.

I agree with this statement in spirit but religion doesn't work that way. You are either hopelessly naive or a just trolling.

If it stopped at just the words that passed between god and worshipper you'd be on the right track.

But it doesn't. Every religion has a built in agenda to wipe out all other religions. Religious people can't even tolerate the nonreligious. They all believe they are god's chosen people and it is their mission to enforce his will on earth's inhabitants.

Fig's diatribe on the the greatness of christianity focuses on all the things christian leaders tell followers is good about following jesus and his disciples. When indulging in the buffet christians tend to ignore the old testament and cherry pick from the new. They all preach acceptance and spread the love but not many speak directly to passages with words like 2 John 1:10 even though many reflect this sentiment in their acts and in their speech. It seems reasonable John is talking about the church when he says house (god's house) but a lot of people want to apply it to the whole country.

 

[kalashnikev]

I agree with this statement in spirit but religion doesn't work that way. You are either hopelessly naive or a just trolling.

It do work though, exactly in that way.

Every religion has a built in agenda to wipe out all other religions.

Nope.

...the greatness of christianity focuses on all the things christian leaders tell followers is good about following jesus and his disciples. When indulging in the buffet christians tend to ignore the old testament...

Because we (Christians) believe that the Old Testament has been superseded.

God gave the "Old Covenant" to Moses/ the "Law of Moses." Jesus Christ fulfilled that covenant with His life, death, and resurrection. We now live under a "New Covenant" with God.

The Old Testament still exists, but it simply no longer holds any validity.

That's the reason why you don't see Christians slapping shrimp cocktail out of each other's hands, checking labels to see if "a cloth of wool and linen mixed" together is a part of their coat, ordering a double double no cheese or sauce so that they don't accidentally "boil a young goat in its mother’s milk," doing weird incantations throughout the day, or murdering children and performing Talmudic Blood Rituals on TikTok.

Do you even know what you are talking about... at all??

 

[Kamerad]

‘Judeo Christianity’, lol.

 

[doubloon]

Do you even know what you are talking about... at all??

Yes, not all christians believe the old testament was completely superseded. They live in a mixed up world where bits and pieces of the old testament are perfectly valid and coexist with the "alleged" contradictions in the new testament.

Which religion(s) do not have an agenda to recruit and convert?

We now live under a "New Covenant" with God.

Do you really?

This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

 

[W54/XM-388]

Every religion has a built in agenda to wipe out all other religions. Religious people can't even tolerate the nonreligious.

And by that same token it was proven many times over that the nonreligious can't even tolerate the religious and when they feel empowered enough they go on sprees to genocide them as much as possible.

It's not so much actually religion but the dark side of human nature to want to get rid of everything that doesn't conform to your view.
Just look at the Tranny and $%^&*+ folks and their relentless, violent attacks on anyone not getting with their insanity.

 

[kalashnikev]

Yes, not all christians believe the old testament was completely superseded. They live in a mixed up world where bits and pieces of the old testament are perfectly valid and coexist with the "alleged" contradictions in the new testament.

Which religion(s) do not have an agenda to recruit and convert?

No... and also- the word you are looking for- and you may not have been exposed to it- is "Proselytizing."

Just google: "What are the non-proselytizing religions?"

We really can't have a meaningful discussion if you post objectively incorrect information, and then I teach you what religion is, line for line.

You have to enter the conversation with some average level of knowledge on the subject matter, otherwise this is like trying to teach an Ancient Mayan what snow is when he doesn't know what ice is.