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India vs Pakistan
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The Bangos are gonna enter the chat with aid from the ISI. Not hard to see how the Paks will use them - LeT and JeM are working the area, but they have been there for a while.
Complete and utter whack-a-doodles on both sides. It is so comforting to know they possess 'nukes
I had a relative in those nuke tests...pretty much as close as you get be. In a trench as I recall his story that was bucking around like damn bull but kinked like a snake. Once it was lit and blast and shit had passed, they were told to march towards the destruction or something like that. He lived late 80s, no cancer other than skin cancer. The real issue will be thyroid protection for folks in fallout zone.
The tech was given to both by guess who,...
My Moms dad 'retired army' told me several times about him outside the blast zone, in trenches. They were told to drape a old school issue wool blanket over tops of them and cover their eyes with their hands. Then marched inside the blast zone after.. His friends he kept contact with all died before him. He did have cancer in 80's that finally got him.
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Be interesting if it was same test. This one was a higher yield than expected. Sounds similar...cover eyes, etc. I asked what it sounded like. He said he couldn't describe it (he made a noise like time-warping a small low range of frequency). THough he said that if he heard it again, he'd know exactly what it was.
Best I can tell it may have been the Simon test; but the date doesn't match. He was in one I believe in 52. He never said which test. Just that he was in Korea and then came back and was put in this test.
Without a doubt. I just thought the date in the paper and the cause was a bit interesting.
Could very well same, with timeline also. he did couple hitches in Korea before doing a few in Vietnam . also he told that the brightness when it was popped off was so unbelievable. He told me even though him and another guy had the wool blanket over them, hands over eyes, and head below ground level in trench it was still so fucking unbelievable in brightness still filtering in to there brain.
I totally believe it to. If you look at old footage and pics. of Japan in outlining area away from ground zero. when US popped off nuke ending WW2. Some of people smoked on the streets . There is Pics of Shadow Silhouettes left on building wall were people stood because of the brightness and heat.
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Exactly.
2nd IA Division in Mosul had all those little cliparts and Daesh had literally nothing but AKs- what happened in 2014?
On the recent India-Pakistan developments... I must say I'm impressed by the level of SPANKAGE dealt by the Pakistanis.
I said, "Yeah, right..." when I heard 5 x aircraft lost...
Well, i guess there goes the supply of high quality sig parts.
Pakistan claims Chinese-made J-10C fighter jets used against India’s air force
If involvement in downing of five Indian aircraft is confirmed, it would be the J-10C’s first known air-to-air kill recorded in live combat.
www.scmp.com
Wait till the Ghost of Karachi gets going the kill ratio will be insane
Now is another point where the world gets to watch the fact that dirty Pakis and Indians are better-equipped than Russia and Ukraine with weapons that actually matter, not silly things like artillery and armor that dominate the “primitive” minds of ground force-centric thinkers.of course, consider the source...but oops.
Pakistan sent its arms to Ukraine for quick money and now its arsenals are empty: Report
The shortage of shells for Pakistan's M109 howitzers and rockets for its BM-21 systems was discussed at the Special Corps Commanders Conference on May 2www.theweek.in
When you have J-10Cs lobbing PL-15s at Beyond Visual Ranges that rival most BVR missile metrics, against even some of the best French Rafale 4.5 Gen fighters ever made, it’s going to get people’s attention.
Remember Pakistan shot down an IAF MiG-21 Bison in Feb 2019 with an AIM-120C5 AMRAAM, launched from an F-16AM with upgraded US systems for BVR employment of that missile.
Debris recovered in India this time from a PL-15 shows it has an AESA seeker head as well. Chicoms have been getting all kinds of tech from their US political bribes, especially the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, and Bidens.
I’ve been telling Rafale and Euro fanbois for years that they’re selling obsolete fighters for 3x the price of F-35As, and they don’t believe me. Most people think Rafales are cheaper than F-35s, because of all the retard corporate media and their pathetic reporting on anything technical, acting more as anti-US MIC spigots than anything.
This is the tyranny of technological investment on display. Cat ladies and male feminists in European Parliaments refused to invest in modern technology, while their under-funded defense sectors ran propaganda for FMS sales benefits all along, while the US and China have now passed them by.
China did it on the cheap too by stealing all the US RDT&E data and materials samples they could get their hands on, which is tons with help from traitors at the top spanning generations.
If you look at the J-10C, it uses the DSI inlet we tested on F-16s for the JSF program, just as one example. This provides simpler construction without need for complicated boundary layer management systems, while also significantly reducing the frontal RCS value (harder to see on Radar).
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China stole everything they could from Russia as well, and US missile manufacturers and made the PL-15, which is an AMRAAM-style BVR missile with extended range.
They also put an AESA Radar in the J-10C, so those 3 things combined give it significant advantages over the Rafale and Typhoon in the BVR fight, even when you install AESAs in the Typhoon. Germany has dragged their feet so long on AESA upgrades for the Typhoon, that by the time it finally gets it, it might be obsolete. The Rafale’s radome is really small, so you can only fit so many TRMs on the AESA planar array, limiting detection and tracking ranges unless you source critical GaN chips from the US, and we’re servicing top-tier DoD programs with GaN chips, not foreign “competitors".
Also notice how they copied the F-16E/F, F-22A, and F-35 by angling the 1st bulkhead for the Radar. That allows Radar energy to be deflected up and away from returning back to the emitter, contributing to lower frontal RCS. Radomes have to be RF transparent, so imagine radomes as not being there when thinking about RF wave propagation and resonance/reflection in the frontal RCS contributing factors.
Not even the Russians did that on the Su-57, which was one of the grossest errors they made when structuring the airframe for Low Observability.
Debris from brand new Indian Air Force Rafale made in France:
Unit program cost on India’s Rafales was $241 million. Let that sink in a bit.
Israelis sold their TDP and other program data from their Lavi fighter from way back in the 1980s, which China used to develop and produce the J-10A. Clinton WH sold advanced aircraft tooling and assembly line manufacturing technologies from the US to China, since they paid for his campaigns both times.
Chengdu used the US mfg tech to start cranking out J-10s, and have updated them along the way with J-10B and J-10C, J-10C being the most capable since it borrowed several advanced US technologies to make it more survivable and lethal.
If I was a FMS customer right now who can’t buy F-35s, I might be asking when I can get some J-10Cs.
Unit program cost on India’s Rafales was $241 million. Let that sink in a bit.
Israelis sold their TDP and other program data from their Lavi fighter from way back in the 1980s, which China used to develop and produce the J-10A. Clinton WH sold advanced aircraft tooling and assembly line manufacturing technologies from the US to China, since they paid for his campaigns both times.
Chengdu used the US mfg tech to start cranking out J-10s, and have updated them along the way with J-10B and J-10C, J-10C being the most capable since it borrowed several advanced US technologies to make it more survivable and lethal.
If I was a FMS customer right now who can’t buy F-35s, I might be asking when I can get some J-10Cs.
Rafales are the most advanced fighters India has. They looked at the price and believed the French hype, and ordered billions worth of them. As I anticipated, primitive minds with shiny new sticks thought they could bring them to the fight, and learned the hard way the tyranny of technology does not suffer fools.
Their Sukhoi 30MKIs have giant RCSs and less capabilities than Rafales, so the fight of J-10C vs Su-30MKI is even worse/unfair.
Keep in mind India has been shelling out tens of billions to equip their Air Force with the best equipment they could get. 23% of their $78.8 Billion budget goes to the Air Force.
Their Sukhoi 30MKIs have giant RCSs and less capabilities than Rafales, so the fight of J-10C vs Su-30MKI is even worse/unfair.
Keep in mind India has been shelling out tens of billions to equip their Air Force with the best equipment they could get. 23% of their $78.8 Billion budget goes to the Air Force.
OK. the Armenia/Azerbaijan war was a bit of a wake up call. i guess some got the word,some didn't. you would still likely need to occupy the ground to make an all out war worthwhile i think. unless you sterilized a country that is. that means infantry which needs protection which likely means armor which is increasingly vulnerable these days. looks like for troops to be able to survive gonna need sci fi like flying armored soldiers with the fire power of a heavy cruiser. space and satellite fights gonna be a BFD.Now is another point where the world gets to watch the fact that dirty Pakis and Indians are better-equipped than Russia and Ukraine with weapons that actually matter, not silly things like artillery and armor that dominate the “primitive” minds of ground force-centric thinkers.
When you have J-10Cs lobbing PL-15s at Beyond Visual Ranges that rival most BVR missile metrics, against even some of the best French Rafale 4.5 Gen fighters ever made, it’s going to get people’s attention.
Remember Pakistan shot down an IAF MiG-21 Bison in Feb 2019 with an AIM-120C5 AMRAAM, launched from an F-16AM with upgraded US systems for BVR employment of that missile.
Debris recovered in India this time from a PL-15 shows it has an AESA seeker head as well. Chicoms have been getting all kinds of tech from their US political bribes, especially the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, and Bidens.
it does look like the Rus,Ukes,Iranians,Houthis and others are heavy into the drone/missile deal. don't know about us. China? i don't see conventional arty going away anytime soon.
if what you are saying is going out,and i think you are right in the long term,then i would bet that carrier air groups,battle ships,most surface vessels and esp maritime mil transport are all toast. seems like a lot of countries are pushing the carrier idea. with modern hyper sonic missiles being way cheaper than carriers,makes no sense to produce expensive big targets. launch enough and all you need is 2 or 4 to get thru. been said by others that they (and battleships) are good for smacking enemies that have no big air component like the VC and Afghans. remember Billy Mitchell? he went against the narrative,got punished and was proved 100% right in WW2.
one of Hitler's many big mistakes was building a bunch of heavy ships instead of more subs. they got sunk,scuttled or sat around doing nothing.
IMHO the same thought process in most current mil thinking-fighting the last war,not the new one.
US Infantry have no mission set in China. Maybe SOF elements securing airfields in Pacific and some dismounts pulling perimeter security for Air Defense units. USAF and USMC already do that organically within AD units though.
Air power is where it’s at, and modern tactical combat aircraft are now strategic assets, as long as they’re actually modern and not some imitation garbage.
Because of the reach of modern long range weapons, the skirmish area is so far away from any ground combatants, as to relegate legacy force structures to no real mission set.
Carrier battle groups have multiple layers of early warning and defense, so they can adjust their stand-off ranges appropriately.
USMC artillery is adjusting to a new force modernization posture where they get sling-loaded from island-to-island under cover of F-35Cs and F-35Bs, which can perform more strike-centric missions that are typically USAF and USN territory.
US Army is going more to really long range missiles, and that’s the biggest segment of the new Army defense budget. Army is at the bottom of the priority list, as it should be. I was pleasantly surprised to see that emphasis in the new budget, not retard programs like MBTs and legacy artillery or silly tracked armored vehicles that are nothing but targets on the modern battlefield.
The world has not yet seen how 5th Gen systems perform with the leash totally taken off. There have been a lot of smaller strike missions in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, with Stealth ISR conducted within Iran’s airspace as if they owned the place.
Air power is where it’s at, and modern tactical combat aircraft are now strategic assets, as long as they’re actually modern and not some imitation garbage.
Because of the reach of modern long range weapons, the skirmish area is so far away from any ground combatants, as to relegate legacy force structures to no real mission set.
Carrier battle groups have multiple layers of early warning and defense, so they can adjust their stand-off ranges appropriately.
USMC artillery is adjusting to a new force modernization posture where they get sling-loaded from island-to-island under cover of F-35Cs and F-35Bs, which can perform more strike-centric missions that are typically USAF and USN territory.
US Army is going more to really long range missiles, and that’s the biggest segment of the new Army defense budget. Army is at the bottom of the priority list, as it should be. I was pleasantly surprised to see that emphasis in the new budget, not retard programs like MBTs and legacy artillery or silly tracked armored vehicles that are nothing but targets on the modern battlefield.
The world has not yet seen how 5th Gen systems perform with the leash totally taken off. There have been a lot of smaller strike missions in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, with Stealth ISR conducted within Iran’s airspace as if they owned the place.
Can Pak fighters or cruise missiles get through India’s missile defense systems? Does Pak have missile defense?
The Fighters as I understand are staying on their side of borders and lobbing missiles at each other, heard there was a 125 or so jets in the air for a few Hrs today doing this. Not sure how accurate but what I heard.
Yes, Pak has but i think they suck and inda claiming they already destroyed some of them.
Pakistan has Chinese missile defense systems, which India has targeted and apparently hit.
India has Russian S-400, its own Theater Ballistic Missile Defense system, layers of SAMs that included joint Indian-Israeli systems.
Both nations have AWACS.
Both have a lot of tactical fighters of varying degrees of capability in both strike and fighter/A2A roles.
Since neither has true stealth platforms, their strike missions are vulnerable to each other’s air defense and fighters.
They basically slug it out with immediate combat losses and fatalities until they decide to quit.
Submarines will be pretty critical as well. And U.S. has been pumping them out last 20 years. Either to close off coastlines or to wipe out shipping.
China has some really scary underwater drone technology, though. Including some stuff that is utterly silent and darn hard to detect. Potentially a threat to US sub fleet.
Wonder if folks in the Pentagon are dusting off their copies of "Pete" Ellis' papers??
Sirhr
So it will be like the Iran-Iraq war back in the day, except with extra jet action.
Iran Iraq war was an endless cannon-fodder human-wave attack massacre...
Battalions of Iranian kids (and I mean kids... 12 - 15) were given magic keys that they were told would protect them from bullets and sent charging across mine fields to clear a path for the Iranian soldiers. Artillary slugging matches.
Doubt USA China would work that way. Both had enough of that in Korea! More possible on the India/Pak border. But doubt it. Both have pretty professional armies.
Iran/Iraq was an attrition slaughter. The Ayotollah's threw away an entire generation of kids... Saddam was not much better. And in the end, Iraq ended up devastated and in Debt. Iran ended up with a lost generation. For nothing. No ground gained or lost. Over something like 8 years!
High intensity conflicts among heavily-armed second world armies are never going to be pretty.
Sirhr
There has been over 2000 nuclear explosions in the world. Some im sure have been fairly well confined. Some we know were completely unconfined. Id argue that probably most all were largely unconfined.
I think there is a lot of fake news and hype about how the world will be after a few more get let off. Probably will be business as usual after the new owners assume possession of their new lands. Maybe I'm wrong though.
The Nuclear Testing Tally | Arms Control Association
www.armscontrol.org
The important distinction in Chad’s post was the targeting of a nuclear power plant rather than simply the detonation of a nuclear device. Nuclear detonations are fairly clean as the whole purpose is to convert the majority of the fuel to energy.
However the specific targeting of a location that stores 4,000 tons of nuclear waste which would not be converted to energy and would simply be vaporized into radioactive particulate and launched into the stratosphere to rain back on to the west coat is a completely different topic entirely.
not being nuc knowledgeable,i sure missed it. just gives more reason for concern re Ukraine and the neonazi psychopaths running that country. in our wisdom we are sending them more effective missiles. not confidence inspiring re India/Pakistan either.
