India vs Pakistan
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Of course you can't wait for the whole country to be overrun.
Your handler promised to move you out of the American flyover and into a luxury condo in Lughansk, where you can trade your pain pill addiction for a premium supply of pure, clean Rooskie desomorphine.
No but the sun's been up for more than an hour and your filthy-Commie-self hasn't made any posts propping up the Hammer and Sickle banner, or helping Red China spread the bug.
So let's hear it...
That doesn't even make any sense.
You were the one who popped in on the Russia Ukraine thread to bizarrely insert that China is smart and powerful and to not get vaccinated against the bug.
You were the one who was crying when the Free World started putting your NORK brothers in the dirt of Western Ukraine.
You are a supporter of Trump's global surrender doctrine.
Unless I have you mixed up with one of the other screen names with just numbers??
Please enlighten me, I must not have gotten the memo. Just what exactly is “Trump's global surrender doctrine” ?
Cogent response with solid examples are appreciated.
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Nah, just your basement, but if you are in western Ukraine, so be it.
You can stop with the "handler" crap, fascist. No one here needs prodding to despise you. You're doing a bang-up job all by your lonesome
Sad to inform you that NO- you must work for what you get, and pay your own way in America.
You can live in any basement you want, provided you strike a deal with the owner and PAY.
Soooo.......about that "Trump's global surrender doctrine” statement of your's ?
Hmmm ? Anything you'd care to say ?
Like, backing up your accusation would be a good place to start.
Your silence simply means that you have no facts to back up what you are saying.
Soooo.......about that "Trump's global surrender doctrine” statement of your's ?
Hmmm ? Anything you'd care to say ?
Like, backing up your accusation would be a good place to start.
Your silence simply means that you have no facts to back up what you are saying.
How old are you?
You don't remember the Helsinki Surrender or the Doha Surrender from Trump 45?
Were you paying attention today when Trump surrendered to China, and ended the tariff crisis he created... in exchange for nothing?
I don't pay much attention to the liberal msm. I just looked up "Trump Helsinki Surrender" on Google. The first ten hits were all liberal outlets;
BBC
The Guardian
USA Today
CBC
The Inquirer
CBS
Bloomberg
Youtube
The Atlantic
NY Daily News
All liberal rags, all spewing the same party line. Although, I was a bit surprised that USA Today actually had some Conservative comments in their article.
Basically all the liberal talking points were that Trump "disgraced the US by siding with Putin" in regard to who started the mess in Ukraine. There's enough history that is known that the CIA was the key player and victoria nuland and anthony blinken played key roles in getting zelensky into power. The CIA basically overthrew the legitimately elected government of
Then, there's the Bio Labs. Russia didn't put them there. zelensky didn't put them there. The CIA did. Putin had severe allergies to them being there and had a hard lock on that knowledge, it was a very poorly guarded secret. I could care less if Trump told Putin something that he/Putin already knew. We (the U.S.) have been dirty all the way around in regard to the mess in Ukraine. The CIA has made a Holy Hell of a mess and many of our politicians (mostly on the liberal side of the aisle, but some conservatives too) have been getting rich off the bloodshed, graft and corruption there.
Oh, then there's that little issue of the US and NATO promising Russia that they wouldn't go as far East as Ukraine, only to break their word and entertain letting Ukraine/zelensky into NATO. Another well known fact is that that was a line in the sand that Putin would not allow it to be crossed.
As far as "Trump surrendering to China" today, the Dow and NASDAQ seem to have a difference of opinion with you. I'd venture to guess there are a lot of people that have a difference of opinion with you.......
And finally, what I really wonder about (although, less and less anymore) is what people like you think about in terms of your beloved leaders like obama and biden wanting the war in Ukraine to go on in perpetuity. Kinda hard to claim the moral high ground on that one. Conversely, Trump wants to stop it. But, I guess when the MIC money is flowing into the pockets of corrupt politicians and the msm is on board with it, it's a pretty big juggernaut to stop on a dime.
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The CIA didn’t overthrow Poroshenko. Poroshenko was after Yanukovych.
I think you meant to say they overthrew Yanukovych, who was really thrown out (left on his own after 4 months of protests) by Ukrainians because he was Putin’s puppet. He signed Putin’s Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact in Dec 2013, which triggered Euromaiden because 79% of Ukraine voted to start normalizing trade in Euros (which are actually worth something compared to Rubles).
I’ve been watching Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine since the 1990s as barometers for what to expect in the Baltics and Finland.
If Victoria Nuland and the CIA were so omnipotent, they would get rid of Lukashenko too, install who they want in Istanbul, Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, etc. CIA has been embedded with Russian assets before it even started, with mass saturation attacks of moles at the highest levels from the OSS days-forward. CIA has done everything in its power to embarrass and undermine US foreign policy.
This is the #1 complaint of Presidents who comment about the CIA’s activities since Eisenhower. So whose side are they on? There’s a reason Trump doesn’t really listen to them for the Presidential Daily Brief, and who complains the most about that? Marxists in the US media and Congress. Interesting, right?
Trump shrugs off daily intelligence briefings
The problem is a lot of young and old conservatives don’t know much about the history of this region, and have been heavily-influenced by alternate media sources, that are saturated with more Russian information operations, because Russia has no other way to really influence the US (not a major trade partner).
After conservatives have dumped legacy media, Russia has filled in the void and done an outstanding job of convincing people that a country who was invaded is actually the aggressor and to blame.
The details don’t need to make any sense, as long as the emotional tones are tweaked just right, which is what really drives Soviet-style ideological warfare.
If you point this out, pro-Russian information actors call you a neocon, MIC war monger, Ukrobot.
It can’t be that you’re just pointing out facts that undermine the construct Russia has created for them, and disguised in social media. Very effective operation.
I think you meant to say they overthrew Yanukovych, who was really thrown out (left on his own after 4 months of protests) by Ukrainians because he was Putin’s puppet. He signed Putin’s Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact in Dec 2013, which triggered Euromaiden because 79% of Ukraine voted to start normalizing trade in Euros (which are actually worth something compared to Rubles).
I’ve been watching Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine since the 1990s as barometers for what to expect in the Baltics and Finland.
If Victoria Nuland and the CIA were so omnipotent, they would get rid of Lukashenko too, install who they want in Istanbul, Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, etc. CIA has been embedded with Russian assets before it even started, with mass saturation attacks of moles at the highest levels from the OSS days-forward. CIA has done everything in its power to embarrass and undermine US foreign policy.
This is the #1 complaint of Presidents who comment about the CIA’s activities since Eisenhower. So whose side are they on? There’s a reason Trump doesn’t really listen to them for the Presidential Daily Brief, and who complains the most about that? Marxists in the US media and Congress. Interesting, right?
Trump shrugs off daily intelligence briefings
The problem is a lot of young and old conservatives don’t know much about the history of this region, and have been heavily-influenced by alternate media sources, that are saturated with more Russian information operations, because Russia has no other way to really influence the US (not a major trade partner).
After conservatives have dumped legacy media, Russia has filled in the void and done an outstanding job of convincing people that a country who was invaded is actually the aggressor and to blame.
The details don’t need to make any sense, as long as the emotional tones are tweaked just right, which is what really drives Soviet-style ideological warfare.
If you point this out, pro-Russian information actors call you a neocon, MIC war monger, Ukrobot.
It can’t be that you’re just pointing out facts that undermine the construct Russia has created for them, and disguised in social media. Very effective operation.
The crazy thing is an F-35A or C carries about that same payload internally, giving up 2 of the AAMs:The important part is weapons carry , that is the huge advantage of gen5 ,yes DSI helps but not a game changer ,Rafale like Superhornet fanboys have been spewing nonsense for years , naked plane head on RCS , is only seen on airshows , combat loads look like this and have a RCS many times that of base aircraft , SU57 even tough it never went for full stealth still carries weapons inside so is magnitudes lower in RCS .
But to be fair Indians got a bit carried away they ran offensive ops against Pakistani insurgent/terror groups and bases, without gaining air superiorty or suppresing radars and SAM, Political pressure probably played a role . Pakistanis played defense and all their Fighters went up with pure Air to Air loadouts, that alone made their game easyer , and they made good use of new long range chinese missiles they bought
According to PAF press conference
00:10 HRS – PAF detected IAF fighters mobilising near LoC in northern and central sectors.
00:12 HRS – PAF initiated pre-planned contingency measures within 2 minutes.
00:23 HRS – Pakistani aircraft on Defensive Counter Air (DCA) missions were scrambled.
00:30 HRS – IAF completed 4-axis offensive formation near LoC. Initial force: 60 aircraft (including 14 Rafale), later reinforced to 72 aircraft.
00:37 HRS – PAF DCA fighters engaged IAF incursions. Pakistan deployed 42 forward aircraft to defend airspace and civilian flights were evacuated from suspected combat zones.
Changing rules of engagement: After the Indian Air Force used air-to-ground weapons, the Pakistan Air Force chief ordered a switch from deterrence to lethal engagement. “As India endlessly boasted about the superiority of the Rafale, we prioritized targeting them – hence their disproportionate losses,” the briefing said.
PAF claimed 6 confirmed victories against IAF (Figure 2):
Mig-29: 38 km 243° from Srinagar (~15 km to LoC)
Su-30MKI: 35 km 192° from Srinagar (~46 km to LoC)
Rafale: 77 km 144° from Srinagar (100 km to LoC)
Drone: 30 km 342° from Jammu (~35 km to LoC)
Rafale: 24 km 114° from Jammu (~13 km to LoC)
Rafale: 46 km 288° from Bhatinda (~42.6 km to border)
Rafale as you see configured there:
10,362lbs internal fuel before take-off
3x EFTs
6x HAMR glide bombs
2x Meteor
4x MICA
F-35A/C
18,250lbs/19,750lbs internal fuel
8x SDBs (Small Diameter glide Bombs)
2x AIM-120 or AIM-260
2x AIM-9X
One has the RCS of a small marble, the other a large door.
got to add all the disasters in ME. Syria being only the latest. my confusion is why Trump has continued aid to Ukraine. that was a big point in his campaign. he claimed he would stop it and could have ended that war in 1 day as he claimed. here i agree 100% with Macgregor. pull out every US weapon,all US personnel (including the CIA),stop all payments of any $ and yes stop any humanitarian aid. would have to fight congress to stop everything Biden already authorized,but....
personally,i care less about what happens to Ukraine. their common people have been fucked over but that is not our problem. we basically did it and can't undo it without sacrificing even more of our resources. with the biolabs and corruption of our exec branch and congress,they can fuck off.
tell the corrupt,woke Europeans to deal with Putin. fuck Europe with a cactus. we do have a seemingly growing # of neocons on here. they sing the same song. we have to stop the Russians or they will go into Europe. good for them. none of our Z sucking dorks have ever come up with a reason we should be involved and how it is in our nat'l interest. it is always some form of but,but,but we have to,we have to. same song our in the gov neocons keep singing.
actually the same applies to Israel.
personally,i care less about what happens to Ukraine. their common people have been fucked over but that is not our problem. we basically did it and can't undo it without sacrificing even more of our resources. with the biolabs and corruption of our exec branch and congress,they can fuck off.
tell the corrupt,woke Europeans to deal with Putin. fuck Europe with a cactus. we do have a seemingly growing # of neocons on here. they sing the same song. we have to stop the Russians or they will go into Europe. good for them. none of our Z sucking dorks have ever come up with a reason we should be involved and how it is in our nat'l interest. it is always some form of but,but,but we have to,we have to. same song our in the gov neocons keep singing.
actually the same applies to Israel.
don't think so. don't think his historical memory would encourage that. of course Finland is not what it was in '39.
Thank you for the correction, yes, you are correct. I put my response together in a hurry and it didn't feel totally correct when I hit "post reply".
Let's put it this way.......I trust Vlad a lot more than I trust that backstabbing weasel zelensky. If I can only trust and be friendly with one of them, it's going to be the superpower.
We're talking about YOUR basement sugar-tits. Still getting paid in handjobs?
He’s still mad a bunch of Russian conscripts ran a train on him.
Well now you own ukraine or better said Black Rock owns ukraine.
We in EU are out of more money than US but aproach and outcomes are much different.
Our politicans aproach , money for nothing , cocaine for free
Donnies aproach
Ukraine Bandera trolls are so self absorbed they can't even let India and Pak have a brawl with out making it about them.
The truce seems to be holding. India is still tight lipped about any losses, focusing on what they destroyed.
So was it Pak military proper that struck in Pahalgam, or a militant group? Still not clear on the cause.
Now back to discussing how many dicks Klashnacunt has sucked to rent his basement lair.
The truce seems to be holding. India is still tight lipped about any losses, focusing on what they destroyed.
So was it Pak military proper that struck in Pahalgam, or a militant group? Still not clear on the cause.
Now back to discussing how many dicks Klashnacunt has sucked to rent his basement lair.
Excuse me, what??
The second most significant event of the 21st Century... which only happened seven years ago... you needed to google?
Trump spent an entire week of his first term traveling around Europe trashing the Free World and our allies, and then showed up on the border of East and West...100 YEARS TO THE DAY OF THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION... and surrendered to V.V. Putin.
Were you too young? Too old? On drugs?
What about when he flew the Taliban first class to Doha and surrendered to them? We used to kill Taliban. Nobody gave them a shred of legitimacy. After they had Trump's surrender in hand, they began the preparation for their part in our disastrous withdrawal- and the Afghan people knew they had been sold out.
Something real bad got inside your head, and you need to get it out, homey.
Keep your eye on those numbers.
No matter how much further this NY liberal shitbag takes us down the tubes, just tell yourself that he's a "cOHnsurRvatiVe!" and that folding down our institutions, putting us on our knees before the adversary, and making idiocracy real is all very MAGA and good.
Exactamundo- and the first step in radicalization is to unplug from the mainstream. The second step is to abandon your family for the "new family."
It doesn't matter if it's a Comet Cult, a Jihadist Organization, or Ultra-MAGA. It's all done on the same playbook against gullible and vulnerable people- who sign themselves up for victimization... and actively pursue it.
That's precisely what is on display here daily.... and that's what makes it so DELISH.
Don't you Komrades spell it:
PEEEEEEEE!!
It's going to be very hard to deliver a can't-refuse cash offer for you to purchase my basement.
Probably the equivalent of many lifetimes' wages with your GED... plus, we know you spent most of your life savings on pain pills and the rest to be a bag holder on the Melaniacoin Crypto-scam.
You must have early hours at the public library out there in the vast wasteland of American Carnage to even be posting here.
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this is a glaring example of why no one here can or will take you seriously.
we arent operating on the same level of reality and its sad that you are the only one who cant see it.
The foreign ministry secretary who bragged about Putin’s strategic vision back in the 2000s said Finland, the Baltics, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, and Goergia would all be taken back, now that Russia has a strong man in again.
We were having the discussion with the guy who took me into Russia about Finland joining NATO, and the Russian foreign ministry secretary (one of his in-laws) said if Finland joined NATO, it would be seen as a provocation and threat to Russia, resulting in Finland being taken quickly, but they were planning to take it anyway.
I kind of placed this guy in the category of an old Soviet-era blowhard (which was true), but also didn’t just write him off altogether and remembered the list of countries on the plan. This was well before 2008.
My Irish Sniper partner and I competed in FinnSniper in 2008 in the summer, then I went to be an Observer-Controller in Erna Raid in Estonia. While we were running Erna Raid, Russia invaded Georgia. That conversation about Russia’s strategic vision immediately went to the top of my list and I felt we were on our way to watching history unfold once again.
As we speak, Putin is having the logistics infrastructure for thousands of soldiers being built right near the Finnish border, in similar fashion as was done before his invasion of Ukraine.
You have to understand that Russians in their intelligentsia don’t learn about the Winter War history. WWII is taught much differently to the few who will need to know foreign policy.
I took these photos myself inside the Central Red Army Museum in Moscow:
What Putin learned was how the fascist Finns attacked and invaded Russia without provocation. An instructor of history would have taken him and other young university students through the Central Red Army Museum, where you can see hundreds of weapons, dioramas, diagrams, maps, and related displays about The Great Patriotic War.
No other information will be valid to him, as it is Western propaganda. You can’t even begin to convince him otherwise, as he has “reliable” informatsia from qualified people.
Most Russians in their intelligentsia don’t even know about Talvisota and Stalin’s unprovoked aggression. The latest comments I’ve seen from propagandists on social media was that Simo Häyhä was the Ghost of Kiev equivalent for Finland, and that there weren’t even enough Soviet Army soldiers near Häyhä to account for his claimed kills.
When shown the casualties of the Battle of Kollaa, where that all happened, they go silent. You can see the effects of multi-generational brain-drain in Russia, though they can easily deceive common core generation kids in the US, who don’t even know their own State geographies or history, let alone where any of this stuff is abroad.
In the Russian mindset at the General Officer planning level, they look at Finland’s population numbers and see Finland as a “yapping little dog”. They don’t even understand the basic geographic constraints of the terrain, as it’s nothing like their border with Ukraine.
Russia isn’t a superpower though. They are a regional middle power at-best, who can’t even make noticeable territorial gains in a country they seeded with moles for centuries.
Their Navy is a pathetic joke, were conscripts painted the Radomes on the Moskva with metallic paint (acts as an impeder of RF energy propagation-Radar no worky), on top of already-degraded Air Defense systems. That was their Black Sea Flagship.
Even if they were benevolent and friendly to all of their neighbors (all of Russia’s neighbors despise and hate them), and wanted to be a great trading partner, they can’t be due to geographic constraints and a low value-added economy and workforce who are lazy and drunk all the time.
Putin assured everyone Russia was peace-loving and he had no intentions of invading Ukraine, as the world watched him concentrate troops and weapons all along the border. This isn’t even remotely trustworthy. If you’ve ever tried to do business with Russians, it’s comically-retarded how insane and dismissive they are. Nobody trusts them, including themselves.
The Pakistani Air Force officer who briefed the press was doing his best impression of a senior USAF officer briefing at Red Flag, using as many words common in US Air power terminology and even his mannerisms and sentences mimicking that culture.
Pakistani Air Force has been trained by the USAF at Red Flag and Green Flag back in 2010 and 2016, and equipped with Block 52 and F-16A/B MLU upgrades, which have pretty impressive BVR missile capabilities.
This air battle involved 70 Indian Air Force aircraft, and 40 Pakistani Air Force aircraft. They were concentrated on defeating the Rafales, as they knew it was the pacing threat for them in the air.
India was still able to successfully strike ground targets with stand-off munitions like the SCALP, so this was a case of sexy Air-to-Air victories vs significant damage to critical nodes on the ground, including PAF C-130s and other military targets.
Losing a Rafale is a pretty big price to play though, and we’re waiting on confirmation of losses of 3 Rafales, MiG-29, Su-30, and a drone. India obviously doesn’t want to provide immediate Battle Damage Assessment to its adversary, just as Pakistani doesn’t want to detail all the damage to its targets.
Pakistani Air Force has been trained by the USAF at Red Flag and Green Flag back in 2010 and 2016, and equipped with Block 52 and F-16A/B MLU upgrades, which have pretty impressive BVR missile capabilities.
This air battle involved 70 Indian Air Force aircraft, and 40 Pakistani Air Force aircraft. They were concentrated on defeating the Rafales, as they knew it was the pacing threat for them in the air.
India was still able to successfully strike ground targets with stand-off munitions like the SCALP, so this was a case of sexy Air-to-Air victories vs significant damage to critical nodes on the ground, including PAF C-130s and other military targets.
Losing a Rafale is a pretty big price to play though, and we’re waiting on confirmation of losses of 3 Rafales, MiG-29, Su-30, and a drone. India obviously doesn’t want to provide immediate Battle Damage Assessment to its adversary, just as Pakistani doesn’t want to detail all the damage to its targets.
When your runways get cratered, you really have no choice but to cease air combat operations if there aren’t any divert bases with logistics to support continued sortie regeneration with armed and fueled birds.
It’s one of the insidious things about precision cruise missiles that are stealth. Pakistan focused on Defensive Counter-Air, while India focused on precision strike at key facilities until Pakistan could no longer fight.
Media: China makes the best fighters!
It’s one of the insidious things about precision cruise missiles that are stealth. Pakistan focused on Defensive Counter-Air, while India focused on precision strike at key facilities until Pakistan could no longer fight.
Media: China makes the best fighters!
The real main takeaways are Chinese Air Defense doesn’t work agains modern precision stand-off missiles, airfields within striking distance of your adversary will be temporarily useless for recovery of aircraft you generated into the fight, and if you don’t have 5th Gen fighters with true VLO and net-centric comms, you will be in a stalemate A2A BVR exchange determined by legacy posturing shot tactics until one taps out.
I’d be interested in what India’s equivalent of a Fires cell assessed reconstitution times would be.
Targeting is done in support of the CDR’s intent. What do you suppose the Indian CDR’s intent was PRIOR to Trumps ceasefire? What operation was this effect supporting?
All good points, thank you. My point is that Relatively speaking, Russia IS a Superpower when compared to Ukraine. Bottom line is Russia have a lot of nukes and for all intents and purposes, Ukraine has none. Maybe there are still Soviet/Russian nukes in Ukraine, but I doubt the Ukes have the knowledge, ability or wherewithall to use them.
And, I'm going to stand by my comment about Putin. zelensky has stabbed the U.S. in the back numerous times, all the while enriching himself personally off of U.S. funds. zelensky is the last person in the world that I would trust.
Now, it could be said that being chummy with Vlad is just begging to be stabbed in the back. Perhaps that is true, but it hasn't happened yet. Not like it already has with zelensky.
And, in thinking about it, when was the unfortunate meeting with zelensky in the White House when the dust up occurred ? 6, possibly 8 weeks ago ? Long ago enough that zelensky should have gotten serious about de-escalation/a truce/ceasefire. I see where he wants to meet with Putin this week, but that hasn't happened. Yet, the dying continues un-abated and he doesn't seem to care, as long as it's not him.
I can't help but think that if zelensky were out of the picture that the remaining power/political structure in Ukraine would bring an immediate halt to this madness. OTOH, they haven't whacked zelensky yet, so maybe the majority of the political/military structure in Ukraine is onboard with what zelensky is doing. But, one way or another, it needs to end.
edit; I thought I saw an article a week or two ago that something in the neighborhood of 60% of the Aid funds sent to Ukraine had been stolen by various Ukes in the government and the military. Which, would explain a lot in terms of why zelensky is still vertical and wasting our precious oxygen. I know his wife has a real soft spot for jet setting in to St. Moritz and going on multi million dollar shopping sprees. I personally witnessed one such event back in January of this year.
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Being chummy with him MIGHT pull him away from CHICOM influence. That could be helpful in the inevitable war with the PLA.
sorry,he's not the only one like this. we have a relatively new assortment of imbeciles hanging out. maybe the the same troll with multiple accounts? or all just working on the same FBI comp?
Ah, well there's your problem. You are functionally retarded. Projection is a hell of a drug.
It's really kind of sad though: you with your recycled grade-school insults, thinking you are so clever. Meanwhile everyone else here who isn't a Uke troll thinks you have the mental agility of a small soap dish. But you go girl! Don't let the naysayers get you down!
USA training Pak goes back futher that 2010. We signed the SEATO(1954) and CENTO(1959) pacts. We sold the F-86 and F-104's among other military hardware and trained them. Sadly both types got worked over by Indian MiG-21's in 1965 and 1971.
And and from what I have heard PAK's F-16's were not used. J-10' and JF-17's were and firing Chinese made PL-15's. As they are more advance than the block 52 Vipers.
Confirming the kills is another story, I doubt India will admit it but people at Dassault have already claimed it happened.
Just wanted to add.
Pak's J-10's have AESA Radar which is literally decades in advance of the APG-68 pulse doppler in the block 52 vipers. Also an AIM-120C is severly out classed in claimed ranges of a PL-15.
This is not just media hype, its a Chinese export variant plopping its balls on the table in the absence of the USA supplying them a viable alternative.
Pak's J-10's have AESA Radar which is literally decades in advance of the APG-68 pulse doppler in the block 52 vipers. Also an AIM-120C is severly out classed in claimed ranges of a PL-15.
This is not just media hype, its a Chinese export variant plopping its balls on the table in the absence of the USA supplying them a viable alternative.
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