Hey ... it's $200
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Find a new dealer. My guy charges like 75 bucks for a can transfer and that's with tax. Runs everything through silencer shop too so much easier.
As a sour pessimist I agree with this. But I sense that the dropping of the $200 fee is to some potential buyers, not just $200 but some other thoughts/ideas informing the "...and I ain't payin' it" sentiment.
There's also a psychological angle that waiting until no $200 fee feels like a "win" against a system that maybe shouldn't charge that fee.
You should see all the tism out there about people transferring suppressors to them selves to change from or to a trust.
If people look around some of the big boys are selling cans now. Midway, Sportsmans Guide. I see what essentially equates to tunes and baffles on ebay. The main bottle neck I woukd be worried about is going to be the ATF.
They were just gloating about making CO safer by taking 60 guns off the street. They didn't mention how criminals or what they were charged with. I just hope those 60 guns are returned to their owners. If If that means dropping the guns and owners in Venezuela.
Yea but you have to deal with fingerprint cards and other bullshit. I can do everything via silencer shop sitting on the toilet because all the info and fingerprints are in the system. Certification via email as well.
The whole "Trust" thing is something I hadn't considered. I have 8 suppressors, and wanted to consolidate them into a trust, but didn't feel like paying $200 x 8 to do it. As I understand it, I can do a "private - to - trust" transfer without the $200 fee ... correct? That would be something I'd do almost immediately after Jan-1 ... assuming it works that way.
You actually dont. Ive bought 3 suppressors from dealers "other than SS" the past 45 days.. Takes you one time to have your fingerprints done electronically into the ATF approved .EFT format. Local UPS Stores do it and email you your .EFT file.
Place orders right from the shitter, attach your fingerprint .EFT file, upload your photo and thats it. All from the shitter. I did 3 SBR's right on ATF Efile website all from the shitter this same way with EFT file...
Things have become so easy now. And 2 cans waiting on my doorstep shipped right to me.... SS doesnt ship to your door, they only deal with their dealer network. This is the main reason why I used Capital Armory and not SS on 2 of my last 3 can orders.
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Supposed to work that way. I’ve got 6 I plan to move into trust when this happens.
I still think SS is going to up the fee on these type of transfers - will I actually need a SS or lgs to do this though?
I reserve the right to be wrong… but I believe that you only need to get a dealer involved via form 3 when it crosses state lines. In state you can sell and transfer to other individuals yourself via a form4. Thus, you should be able to transfer to your own trust, yourself.
I was just wondering that.. It is a form 4 to transfer from individual to trust but not sure if you have to use a dealer to make this transfer. All of my NFA items are in my trust so I wont be testing these waters...
But... logging into my ATF efile acct, when you click on Form 4, it requires your ATF account to be an FFL/SOT to do a Form 4. So my educated guess is you will need to have an FFL/SOT do these Form4 individual to trust transfers for you...
You need to find a new dealer. The shop I use doesn’t charge a fee if it comes from SS inventory. Only charges a fee if it comes from outside his or SS inventory.
Agreed, any SS orders to my local dealer is a walk in, background check and handed can and walk out transaction... No money involved. They get their money from SS.
Any dealer that objects isn't worth doing business with. I can remember when Title 2 took upwards of two years for just a form 3. If your dealer doesn't want to do it then absolutely fuck them.
With that said, Redmond Firearms will do it if your dealer won't.
I checked for UPS stores though through certifix. The closest ones to me listed on there are 150 miles. I dont know if there are other options. It's probably worth the 150 mile drive just for that to simplify the process.
I was directed to my local ups store through PrintScan for atf approved EFT prints...
Put your zip code in and see if anything is closer...
PrintScan - Fingerprint Cards https://share.google/BuEHfd0FSGFKf0OZT
He is ignored but I can see your quote. He is a moron and doesn't understand the difference between SS and non SS inventory.
Yes it's for non ss inventory. Way cheaper than anyone else, don't pay tax either. Dealers can add inventory to SS system for ease of transfer. I'm paying less in transfer fee than most people pay in taxes not to mention I can find the can hundreds of dollars cheaper than SS sells it for. Their prices suck for anything but rimfire.
That brings me a sevral place closer. I am not sure if they are open to the public for finger printing. One is public health, one is a school district, and I don't even know what one is but it has an address. That is great resource though. I just sent it to work because they were having trouble getting fingerprints for someone.
You do all the scheduling right on PrintScan website. Pick your place, date/time. They tell you where and when to show up.. thats what I did. It said go to my local ups store at my selected date/time. Walked in, took 5-10min, walked out and my .EFT electronic prints file was in my email same day on a Saturday.
It's nice being a basement FFL & SOT...It cost me 500$ a year, unlimited NFA items....I think I've bought 12-14 cans in the last 3-4 months.
More power to the people that are going to wait until this goes into effect, but id be worried about that turning into a 2 yr wait from a manufacture to get what you want.
$200 is definitely something and who wouldn't want to save it? If i can save 5$, I'm going to choose to do so but I think the stock is so volatile, that if you can afford it then just BUY NOW. Waiting sucks, and the stock as of now for most cans is pretty dang good.
More power to the people that are going to wait until this goes into effect, but id be worried about that turning into a 2 yr wait from a manufacture to get what you want.
$200 is definitely something and who wouldn't want to save it? If i can save 5$, I'm going to choose to do so but I think the stock is so volatile, that if you can afford it then just BUY NOW. Waiting sucks, and the stock as of now for most cans is pretty dang good.
If it's a SS single shot trust all you have to do is add whomever you want to pages 2 and 3 (I think) then have it notarized and you're gtg, don't need to move them from a SS trust to a multi trust. SS has instructions for this and will walk you through it. That's my understanding of that style trust. I have several just haven't added my sons to them yet.
What if the "you can't have a $0 tax" lawsuit forces an injunction on the transfer of cans until the issue has been decided?
Just got a B&T can back on a trust in 1.5 business days. I'll pay $200 all day every day for that kind of turn-around. I have cans that years ago took 18+ months.
Just got a B&T can back on a trust in 1.5 business days. I'll pay $200 all day every day for that kind of turn-around. I have cans that years ago took 18+ months.
It shouldn't take 200 dollars and it shouldn't take a day and half to approve.
I wonder if anyone at FBI/NCIS has ever clocked the total time required to process. How many pairs of eyes have to scan the forms for completeness/accuracy?
I'm going to spend a little time researching the trust differences and what's needed to reorganize your suppressors or SBRs etc, because I want to know for my own and I will treat it like a paying client's problem when I research it. I'll share the results when I'm done.
None currently with efile, its a computer system/AI. If you dont get approved by the automated system for whatever reason you then go into a que for manual review by an examiner.
Not a bad idea OP, I’m thinking that when suppressors start selling and are out of stock everywhere after the first, I, as a businessman myself would immediately think, “I better offer a really good discount on the product that just got cheaper by 200 dollars to the consumer that I can’t keep on the shelf.”
I’m thinking you’re on to something keep your calculator in hand, if you pay close attention you may get a FREE SUPPRESSOR. I definitely don’t think everybody and their dog will go buy one immediately. I’m certain the companies making cans won’t slowly or suddenly up the price close to 200 dollars because they already know consumers are willing to pay that. I’d actually wait till 2027 the futures are down in 27 looking like some real savings.
I’m thinking you’re on to something keep your calculator in hand, if you pay close attention you may get a FREE SUPPRESSOR. I definitely don’t think everybody and their dog will go buy one immediately. I’m certain the companies making cans won’t slowly or suddenly up the price close to 200 dollars because they already know consumers are willing to pay that. I’d actually wait till 2027 the futures are down in 27 looking like some real savings.
I know a few people doing exactly that. The best stuff from manufacturers may get difficult to acquire for awhile, but there will be a glut of cheap steel cans in short order.
A little steep ??? That's a friggin' "cliff". My LGS is $30 for any firearm or suppressor.
I have 8 suppressors and 5 SBR's ... and I want to put them all in a Trust. Figuring that out, for the cheapest possible cost (since I'm not lighting my Cohiba'a with $100-bills), is going to be my January-2026 project.
Is that "snark" I sense out there. I'm sure I'm just over-reading this important and helpful message.
This is a very easy process. Since you already own the suppressors and sbr's as an individual you have them in your possession and can use them, who cares in this case how long it takes after 1/1... Go ahead and form a trust now, you can purchase one right from SS...
NFA Gun Trust | Multi-Trustee Suppressor Ownership
Secure your NFA items with the Traditional NFA Gun Trust. This one-time purchase allows multiple trustees to legally possess suppressors and other NFA items.
www.silencershop.com
Then, after 1/1... use SS or local FFL/SOT or whoever you choose to efile the Form 4's to move them from you (individual) to your Trust without paying the $200 stamps per item.. Then, sit back and continue to enjoy the items until you receive your form 4 approvals... Whether thats days, weeks, months or years, it doesnt matter in your case.. If your FFL/SOT efiles them you will receive an email directly from the ATF with the approved form4's.. And if they arent efiling, id be looking for another FFL/SOT to do the Form 4's.
Then, when done, take them all to your local engraver and have your Trust Name, City and State engraved on each item. Done
Biggest benefits of a trust is you can add as many people as you wish to the trust and they can take them and use them legally whenever without any issues... And, if anything happens to you, the "Settlor"... there is no BS to deal with, the beneficiaries can legally take possession of them without any issues immediately.
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The hope is the courts throw out the nfa after the tax is removed. Since gun registries are illegals at the federal level and no tax will be tied to it, they will rule they should be treated just like any other firearm. There is some legal precedent that would seem to apply. That's the rolling theory at least.
DBD, if the fed judiciary today was the same (or maybe better) as it was 30+ years ago, I would start expecting that end result. But what I have seen over the past 30 years suggests that instead of a sensible logical end as you suggest, we could see the problem made worse, vs fixed.
Precisely. $200 in 1934 is equivalent to about $5000 today.
That will be the new transfer tax after the Dems get their next turn at running things into the ground .
My completely uneducated opinion on this matter (except for getting caught up in three previous NFA fiascos that extended the wait dramatically) is it will be a shit show after Jan 1st at least for a while.
Between the novelty of no tax stamp (look at how many folks SBRed pistols like good little covid cucks during the bump stock debacle because “muh free tax stamp!!”) and the folks holding off with cans purchased. Then you have the folks who will transfer in and out of Trusts. Sadly I will be very surprised if we don’t see at least 6 months to a year wait. I hope I am wrong.
I wish I shared the optimism that this is going to somehow get these off the nfa but I don’t. Gun owners have proven without a doubt they have no sand for a fight. Give them a “binkey” and they will quiet right down while you shove a BBC up their backside.
Likewise SCOTUS is showing they don’t have much sand on 2A either. Again I will be perfectly happy to be wrong.
Between the novelty of no tax stamp (look at how many folks SBRed pistols like good little covid cucks during the bump stock debacle because “muh free tax stamp!!”) and the folks holding off with cans purchased. Then you have the folks who will transfer in and out of Trusts. Sadly I will be very surprised if we don’t see at least 6 months to a year wait. I hope I am wrong.
I wish I shared the optimism that this is going to somehow get these off the nfa but I don’t. Gun owners have proven without a doubt they have no sand for a fight. Give them a “binkey” and they will quiet right down while you shove a BBC up their backside.
Likewise SCOTUS is showing they don’t have much sand on 2A either. Again I will be perfectly happy to be wrong.Since the transfer is within his own state he would not use a dealer. Just F4 from himself to the new owner/entity.This is a very easy process. Since you already own the suppressors and sbr's as an individual you have them in your possession and can use them, who cares in this case how long it takes after 1/1... Go ahead and form a trust now, you can purchase one right from SS...
NFA Gun Trust | Multi-Trustee Suppressor Ownership
Secure your NFA items with the Traditional NFA Gun Trust. This one-time purchase allows multiple trustees to legally possess suppressors and other NFA items.
Then, after 1/1... use SS or local FFL/SOT or whoever you choose to efile the Form 4's to move them from you (individual) to your Trust without paying the $200 stamps per item.. Then, sit back and continue to enjoy the items until you receive your form 4 approvals... Whether thats days, weeks, months or years, it doesnt matter in your case.. If your FFL/SOT efiles them you will receive an email directly from the ATF with the approved form4's.. And if they arent efiling, id be looking for another FFL/SOT to do the Form 4's.
Then, when done, take them all to your local engraver and have your Trust Name, City and State engraved on each item. Done
Biggest benefits of a trust is you can add as many people as you wish to the trust and they can take them and use them legally whenever without any issues... And, if anything happens to you, the "Settlor"... there is no BS to deal with, the beneficiaries can legally take possession of them without any issues immediately.
Who's submitting the form 4??? ATF efile doesn't allow an individual submit a Form 4, says you need to be a FFL/SOT when you click on Form 4.
I tried yesterday...
Pretty sure it has to be filed hard copy/ paper form 4 forin state NFA item transfers.
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Then it must be a paper form 4 with print cards and all via mail. You cant file a form 4 on efile unless your an FFL/SOT
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