That magpul chassis is a POS. I'd take a MDT XRS before that Magpul any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The Origin and Proof prefit is a solid choice. Don't screw it up by putting a POS chassis under it.
Looking for a bolt action.
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This guy went from Cadex to Magpul to McMillan now to krg with night vision. I’m gonna bet against any rifle purchase actually happening.
How many times can one person blatantly ignore the advice of people who actually own these things and shoot.
Also the McMillan a5 is basically a temu manners t4-a which is in stock and ready to ship tomorrow with no inletting or work required.
How many times can one person blatantly ignore the advice of people who actually own these things and shoot.
Also the McMillan a5 is basically a temu manners t4-a which is in stock and ready to ship tomorrow with no inletting or work required.
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I think the OP needs to get to the range and try some of these out... Im going to say it again... I made the same mistakes... I wanted an MPA ESR, but then tried it and a Matrix Pro II... went with the PRO II. I also have a MDT ACC Premium and love that as well... KRG makes some great chassis and I will build another with a C-4 eventually. The Manners t4-a would be a good stock as well.. they all work for their intended purposes and there are drawbacks to each. Im now shooting a Woox Furious Ultra and LOVE it.
Really suggest getting behind these or getting into a shop that has several in stock and you can handle them. Eventually you WILL want to go with ARCA. So getting something that does have the ability to attach a rail section to for now but has the integrated ARCA. I would suggest very heavily to get into something with an integrated ARCA or one you can put an ARCA onto...Or you are going to start shooting more and want an ARCA.
But the OP is going to have to make his own decisions and his own mistakes, after all that is the best way to learn.
These are some old pics, but I love mine. Bartlein heavy Palma in the pic. Plenty of room. Picked it up for $600 used in the px. Came with the spigot and toolless butt height and a few other items that escape me at the moment.
Not even knowing anything about it, just this one pic from Magul’s site should tell you all you need to know:
1) tactical beard
2) fantasy: “I could be off-duty SWAT”
3) avoiding incoming fire & patrol carrying your
4) Leupold scope
Pro 700, Folding Stock – Remington® 700 Short Action
Our full-featured precision rifle chassis
magpul.com
Ok, I’m a bit hard on them. They also feature NF and Vortex scopes in their mix of pics. This was just the first one I saw lol
I looked at the magpuls when they first came out. For the price, they're too close to better options.Not even knowing anything about it, just this one pic from Magul’s site should tell you all you need to know:
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1) tactical beard
2) fantasy: “I could be off-duty SWAT”
3) avoiding incoming fire & patrol carrying yoursniperMK12 DMR rifle
4) Leupold scope
Pro 700, Folding Stock – Remington® 700 Short Action
Our full-featured precision rifle chassis
Ok, I’m a bit hard on them. They also feature NF and Vortex scopes in their mix of pics. This was just the first one I saw lol
Or now here me out. I'm new to precision rifle shooting amd am asking questions while also trying to figure out a look that I like for the rifle. I have the action and barrel picked out the action and barrel and trigger but was looking for input on a stock.
If you like the military look, and want a great rifle, just buy an Accuracy International AX or ATX used off here for around $4,500-$5,000 throw a scope on it and shoot the piss out of it.
For a new guy that doesn't have experience with gear, I think you either find a match to try out other peoples gear, find a shop with all that gear to at least get behind it, or buy a popular/fully configurable chassis. I'm a big fan of Manners stocks, but a stock is simply not as configurable and leaves a lot to be desired if your selected stock doesn't fit you.
I also have many KRG chassis, and like them a lot, but they are not as configurable as other chassis. The MDT ACC Elite is completely configurable and is an easy button in terms of resale. Obviously there are other options as well - like MPA.
The common thread from people that have been through is before is that you will likely find things you like and things you don't as you get more time and put more rounds downrange. So for now, stack the odds in favor and buy a popular product (preferably secondhand), use it a bunch, then swap out if you need/want to. 'What the Pros Use' is not the end all be all, but it's worth considering for this circumstance.
I also have many KRG chassis, and like them a lot, but they are not as configurable as other chassis. The MDT ACC Elite is completely configurable and is an easy button in terms of resale. Obviously there are other options as well - like MPA.
The common thread from people that have been through is before is that you will likely find things you like and things you don't as you get more time and put more rounds downrange. So for now, stack the odds in favor and buy a popular product (preferably secondhand), use it a bunch, then swap out if you need/want to. 'What the Pros Use' is not the end all be all, but it's worth considering for this circumstance.
Ah....while we probably all don't want an ugly gun (though there probably is someone...somewhere who really wants a fuchsia chassis with matching barrel! haha), they are not really a fashion accessory.
Get the chassis or stock that fits you, has the adjustments you want, that fits your use case, that you believe to be well made and of high quality, from a manf that has decent customer support.
Then get it cerakoted fuchsia! haha
Can def get a MPA for 3k (with coupon) or less and those are bad ass rigs, but that has already been floated here several times. Now... let's wait until the OP asks about Optics! That's going to be a good thread too!
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There's a Vortex PST or Leupold MK4HD with his name on it out there somewhere
OP, to help you–so the plan is:
If you just want to test the waters, buy a Tikka with some interesting Finnish camo for $1025 with the $75 rebate going on:
Don’t think it’s stainless, but if you like LR, it would satisfy your itch while not being too expensive. Plus it’s easy to sell and CTR mags rock IMHO. KRG and others make chassis for Tikka.
Or maybe some other Tikka 308 catches you fancy?
I own a Tikka Super Varmint in 223. I bought a prefit 204 barrel from Bugholes and got a Sterk bolt handle b/c I like my AI swept bolt knob. For bling I added TRG-lookalike bolt shroud and then popped it into a Bravo. As someone new to bolt guns, skip the bolt shroud as it required some fitting.
With the factory 223 barrel. I did buy KRG‘s Midas 2 stage trigger for it, but with a $10 spring the stock Tikka trigger is very good.
For those with sharp eyes, this is not the same action as above. It’s a different Tikka, a SS one, but it’s the only pic of my Sterk knob that I can find right now.
Cheap-ish doesn’t have to suck.
You wanna spend $3k? Then others have given you good advice.
- You’re shooting 308 at steel(?) out to 1000
- Have you done that before?
- Do you already know you like it?
- Is there a range close enough to you so you can do it with some frequency?
- What scope do you plan on using?
If you just want to test the waters, buy a Tikka with some interesting Finnish camo for $1025 with the $75 rebate going on:
Don’t think it’s stainless, but if you like LR, it would satisfy your itch while not being too expensive. Plus it’s easy to sell and CTR mags rock IMHO. KRG and others make chassis for Tikka.
Or maybe some other Tikka 308 catches you fancy?
I own a Tikka Super Varmint in 223. I bought a prefit 204 barrel from Bugholes and got a Sterk bolt handle b/c I like my AI swept bolt knob. For bling I added TRG-lookalike bolt shroud and then popped it into a Bravo. As someone new to bolt guns, skip the bolt shroud as it required some fitting.
With the factory 223 barrel. I did buy KRG‘s Midas 2 stage trigger for it, but with a $10 spring the stock Tikka trigger is very good.
For those with sharp eyes, this is not the same action as above. It’s a different Tikka, a SS one, but it’s the only pic of my Sterk knob that I can find right now.
Cheap-ish doesn’t have to suck.
You wanna spend $3k? Then others have given you good advice.
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I work six days a week after leaving the pd I worked at so finding time to shoot has been tough that's why I haven't been yetOP, to help you–so the plan is:
I noticed you built a MK12 last year but haven’t shot it yet
- You’re shooting 308 at steel(?) out to 1000
- Have you done that before?
- Do you already know you like it?
- Is there a range close enough to you so you can do it with some frequency?
- What scope do you plan on using?
If you just want to test the waters, buy a Tikka with some interesting Finnish camo for $1025 with the $75 rebate going on:
Don’t think it’s stainless, but if you like LR, it would satisfy your itch while not being too expensive. Plus it’s easy to sell and CTR mags rock IMHO. KRG and others make chassis for Tikka.
Or maybe some other Tikka 308 catches you fancy?
I own a Tikka Super Varmint in 223. I bought a prefit 204 barrel from Bugholes and got a Sterk bolt handle b/c I like my AI swept bolt knob. For bling I added TRG-lookalike bolt shroud and then popped it into a Bravo. As someone new to bolt guns, skip the bolt shroud as it required some fitting.
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With the factory 223 barrel. I did buy KRG‘s Midas 2 stage trigger for it, but with a $10 spring the stock Tikka trigger is very good.
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For those with sharp eyes, this is not the same action as above. It’s a different Tikka, a SS one, but it’s the only pic of my Sterk knob that I can find right now.
Cheap-ish doesn’t have to suck.
You wanna spend $3k? Then others have given you good advice.
Finally decided.
Zermatt origin
Proof 6.5 barrel.
Trigger tech diamond
Bravo chassis.
I have a night force on my mk12. Any recommends for a scope in thee 1500 price point
Zermatt origin
Proof 6.5 barrel.
Trigger tech diamond
Bravo chassis.
I have a night force on my mk12. Any recommends for a scope in thee 1500 price point
What area of the country do you live in? Maybe there is a SH member that you can meet up with at a local range and maybe get behind some of their rigs. If you are in the DC metro area Im game to meet up and let you shoot a few of my rifles. Time allowing of course.
1500 is a little bit of an awkward zone... going up a bit you get into the Zeiss S3 and Element range (on sale of maybe like new condition) Both very good for their price. Scopes to me are defiantly a buy once cry once item if Ive ever seen one.
Well, shit, look at you deciding!
I’m biased. I’d sell you my NF 4-32 NX8 with a Mil-XT for that. Turns out I don’t like the reticle (too busy), but it’s a great scope for the money. PM me.
This is the easy button, ubiquitous, can't go wrong build recipe. There's probably one thread a month just like this one that all comes to the same conclusion.
Someone, .....@mossad , @Zermatt Arms, Proof should get together and just sell an Origin, Bravo, Proof prefit, TT, rifle all put together, assembled ready to go. I don't think Front Range Precision is on here anymore but this seems like something up his alley. Maybe the dude from Next Shot Precision in Utah could do something like that.
Look at a used Sako TRG. I picked one up recently with a bunch accessories for only $2800 (bipod, extra mags, and rail). They're half MOA guns.
Solid option. Can vouch for the half minute claim. My brother picked one up off a member here for $2,500. I think its a gen1 folder.
The proprietary trigger, action footprint, and chassis options of the TRG always kept me away. It always seemed like you could get Sako TRG like feels out of a Tikka T3 in a KRG chassis. With the add on bonus of prefit barrels
I agree, to a point. The trg is a little tighter, more refined feeling to me. The tikkas are almost as slick. It's really close.
This is his T3X. It's getting a new chassis to go with the 26" barrel we put on it this past weekend. I told him it needs a W3 to mimic the two trg's he has. He's a finnattic.
The only factory rifles I was looking at really were the surgeon scalpel and seekins hit m3 and how proprietary they are turned me off
Mine is in a W3. I keep going back and forth on upgrading to the new W3 pro forend. I think it would look great and improve it's barricade'ability but I really only use it for hunting and NRL Hunter matches so I don't want to increase the weight.
The seekins hit will definitely be somewhat proprietary although I'm pretty sure the action takes a Remington 700 style trigger and fits in a 700 style inlet. Maybe their mod 3 action has some idiosyncrasies on inlet compatibility. IDK.
The scalpel is just a custom action with a standard custom cut rifle barrel in somebody else's chassis using a Remington 700 style trigger. So it's really not proprietary at all. Aside from having a different threading spec on the tenon, it's a facsimile of what you outlined in your way ahead.
So are there prefit barrels made for the surgeon scalpel?. Just really new to precision shooting.
Surgeon isn’t widely known for their customer service, or rifles for that matter. There was a time when they were great, but those people left, and the rest of the industry quickly caught up.
A prefit capable action shouldn’t really be a concern if you’re shooting 308 as you generally have about 8k round lifespan on the barrel. That being said, having one sure makes it easy and quicker to source barrels usually.
A prefit capable action shouldn’t really be a concern if you’re shooting 308 as you generally have about 8k round lifespan on the barrel. That being said, having one sure makes it easy and quicker to source barrels usually.
Saw this and thought of you @precisionshooter413
www.snipershide.com
Accessories - LNIB KRG Bravo & enclosed forend Rem700sa
LNIB KRG Bravo in gray with the enclosed forend Rem 700 SA inlet. Took it out and mounted it up to compare and ended up going with another chassis so it's up for grabs. Asking $520 shipped. Actions screws included as pictured.
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The production class PRS rifles like the Kelbly and MPA are a hell of a value.
Probably 2500-3000. I would not get hung up on barrel life. The cost of ammo to shoot one out will make a barrel seem cheap.
That is a nice rifle for 3k... Kelbly's actions are super nice too from my experience (don't own one, but shot a few rounds through one so take that with a grain of salt)
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The Mannars t4a is a better stock than the McMillan and pretty much the same shape and profile as the a5. You can even get the mini chassis in it . Here is my Zermatt Tl3 in a Manners t4a with mini chassis.
So europtic has the Steiner t6xi 3-18 for 1500. I see alot of good things about them. But was looking for thoughts and opinions
I would want more magnification for long range/precision shooting. 5-25 or 6-36.
I don't know the current state of Steiner right now, but about 8 years ago a couple of my buddies got a few of their Scopes as supposed lower cost equivalence to Schmidt and benders and every single one of them had mechanical issues and had to be sent back. After that. I just haven't seen steiner scopes in use in any serious long range precision rifle capacity. I see them on AR-15s here and there amongst the tactical crowd.
Nightforce It's my go-to. I think there's higher quality scopes out there for sure but it is a value and durability thing. I get a pretty substantial discount on them, they have the reticles that I like, and I have never had one go bad. I have had two S&B's shit the bed So I don't even fuck with them anymore. In the price range you're looking at, you can almost get a Night Force nx8 4x32. I use the NX8's for precision ARs and NRL Hunter. They have about the absolute lowest quality of glass that I can stand but they are lighter weight, reliable, affordable, and have the reticles that I like to use.
I am not at all a Vortex fan but I think for the situation that you're in I would try to find a used Gen 3 6x36 for about $2K.
Nightforce It's my go-to. I think there's higher quality scopes out there for sure but it is a value and durability thing. I get a pretty substantial discount on them, they have the reticles that I like, and I have never had one go bad. I have had two S&B's shit the bed So I don't even fuck with them anymore. In the price range you're looking at, you can almost get a Night Force nx8 4x32. I use the NX8's for precision ARs and NRL Hunter. They have about the absolute lowest quality of glass that I can stand but they are lighter weight, reliable, affordable, and have the reticles that I like to use.
I am not at all a Vortex fan but I think for the situation that you're in I would try to find a used Gen 3 6x36 for about $2K.
You can literally order a barrel in any contour you want from any of the prefit gunsmiths out there. They will install it on your Origin if you want.
If you are dead set on a Proof steel, they can use that blank or any other blank. Im not a proof fan, had to many with issues.
Osprey from PVA
ACE from Manzella
Or any other blank you want cut to whatever contour you want for the Origin
I personally have 7 Zermatt TL3's (8 including the TL3 Long action sitting at PVA waiting to be picked up) which is the big brother to the Origin..
I have AT LEAST 35-40+ prefit barrels i can screw on any of my 7 TL3's. They are ALL in XLR Envy Pro stocks...
This is a bonfied "you dont know what you dont know" situation and that's not a knock on you.
Putting a stupid accurate bolt gun together these days is like building legos.
Buy your action, torque your prefit barrel of choice on action to 75ft lbs, install your trigger of choice, drop barreled action into chassis of choice and tighten 2 bolts. Go shoot.
Its literally that easy.
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Optics - Zeiss S3 6-36x56 MIl $1600
Like new condition. Has two rimfire matches on it. Will come with sunshade, IDTS turret tape, and everything else as it did from the factory with the box $1700 shipped via PayPal F&F, Venmo, or Zelle.
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Plus one more vote for the S3. I found I use my S3 more than my ATACR now...Optics - Zeiss S3 6-36x56 MIl $1600
Like new condition. Has two rimfire matches on it. Will come with sunshade, IDTS turret tape, and everything else as it did from the factory with the box $1700 shipped via PayPal F&F, Venmo, or Zelle.
A friend of mine has a T6Xi 5-30, and it's a solid scope.
If you're OK with buying used, you'll always get more for your money that way...such as that Zeiss S3 that was posted.
