Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

[KillShot]

Does anyone else see a problem with this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office, in Texas, will soon have a robotic surveillance drone in their arsenal. According to the Daily, the Montgomery Country’s Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel, does not plan to arm the drone anytime soon, but said that adding a tear gas dispenser or a gun that shoots non-lethal bullets could be “advantageous.”</div></div>

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[Swampkat]

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I can see it helping them in dealing w/ the cartels/drug runners...

 

[Slapchop]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone else see a problem with this?

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Nope!

 

[fish2keel]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Killshot,

I work with drones every day, both flying and building them. I dont see a problem with them getting a drone. I doubt it will be a predator drone that you see on the news. I know that we have been working on building drones for military and law enforcement/boarder protection.

I believe there drone will be a copter though. There is already a department with them.

 

[Insayn]

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Others already use "drones."

http://www.kristv.com/mobile/news/arlington-police-to-keep-aerial-drone-for-surveillance/

They're used for surveillance, traffic assessment and any other aerial view at a lower cost than a helicopter.

 

[KillShot]

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My concern is...these are being used under the guise of making the public more safe...kinda like the Patriot Act.

 

[Insayn]

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There are psychiatric institutions that can help you with this...LOL

 

[glocksig40]

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I dont see a law abiding American minding his own business having any problems with the drone. Paranoid people have a lot more to worry about than drones, like zombies, building shelters or storing enough food for a 20 year stay underground.

 

[jasonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stacyp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paranoid people have a lot more to worry about than drones, like zombies, building shelters or storing enough food for a 20 year stay underground. </div></div>

20 years underground! Remind me to put a tanning bed in my bunker!

Oh, as for the drone, no issues here.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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[b0xcrash]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

I think its cool and a good addition

 

[cummins cowboy]

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when I lived in texas the sheriffs office didn't really do much. there was the local city law enforcement and then DPS, infact if it was a sheriff's car I didn't care if I was speeding when I went by as they would never pull someone over unless it was just over the top.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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The drone has been used on the mexican boarder for some time. The boarder patrol agents are having serious trouble patrolling the boarder right now. They are stretched so thin. Look at it this way. The boarder patrol agents are staffed about like the state fish and game wardens, they are stretched to thin to adequately do the job. There is a lot of shit trying to come across the U.S. Mexican boarder and drugs is not the only part they are trying to stop. Regardless of what you read, its not all about drugs.

 

[KillShot]

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I definitely see the BENEFIT, however, I guess with anything else...I worry about it being abused and used for that which it may not be intended.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I definitely see the BENEFIT, however, I guess with anything else...I worry about it being abused and used for that which it may not be intended. </div></div>

Everyone, with any sense does worry about this. The mexican boarder is a big part of why NDAA was passed by Obama on January 1rst. Why can't the boarder patrol agents be better staffed? There are a lot of questions on the table, that deal with this boarder, and none of them have an easy answer.

 

[lazy21]

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I now wear a tin hat

 

[SkyScrapin]

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No problem with drones flying in my backyard. Guess I'll have to find a better spot to stock-pile my z-max ammo...

 

[treebasher]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

The Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[Guest]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Those who back this, need to be very careful of wanting the public to always live on their knees.
Unintended Consequences can be a bitch.

 

[scharfschutze762]

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I think a new law was passed that ok's many many drones over our skies in the next few years and will also be giving speeding tickets in the near future.

 

[High Binder]

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I think it's "OK" but I can see this leading down a <span style="text-decoration: underline">very slippery slope</span>.

 

[Slapchop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's "OK" but I can see this leading down a <span style="text-decoration: underline">very slippery slope</span>.
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lol... Yeah, right. Sure you do. The only reason you're "okay" with it is because the majority of the people posted that they see nothing wrong with it.

For some reason mindless lemmings comes to mind whenever I read your posts. That and band wagons

Why'd you erase your earlier post?

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's "OK" but I can see this leading down a <span style="text-decoration: underline">very slippery slope</span>.
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lol... Yeah, right. Sure you do. The only reason you're "okay" with it is because the majority of the people posted that they see nothing wrong with it.

For some reason mindless lemmings comes to mind whenever I read your posts. That and band wagons

Why'd you erase your earlier post? </div></div>

Using the same attack I used on you earlier but deleted as to not 'rock the boat' is pretty weak and unoriginal but since you want a battle here it is. Your track record of being unable to objectively see any fault in anything any cop does speaks for itself as does my track record of being cautious of giving any governmental body too much access. You'd see that if you weren't too busy patting yourself on the back all the time and starting fights on here. Luckily there are a lot of LEOs on here who often disagree with you and don't just blindly tow the blue line. PM me if you want to continue this otherwise ignore me as I and many others do you...

 

[OdellJym]

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So what's the difference between a drone and a police helicopter? Or a civilian airplane? The sky is a public place. There are cameras much higher than the drone can fly that can see objects with much better clarity. Unless you are afraid of the Terminators. Then, that is different and a justified worry. Otherwise, unless the drone is flying through your living room, I don't beleive that the search and seizure amendment is applicable.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what's the difference between a drone and a police helicopter? Or a civilian airplane? The sky is a public place. There are cameras much higher than the drone can fly that can see objects with much better clarity. Unless you are afraid of the Terminators. Then, that is different and a justified worry. Otherwise, unless the drone is flying through your living room, I don't beleive that the search and seizure amendment is applicable.
</div></div>

I agree, I don't think the 4th really applies here because as you mentioned, this is really no different than a police chopper flying around and potentially spotting something and I think the key difference between a drone and a full blown police chopper is simply cost, i.e. it'll be much cheaper to fly the drone. Either way, there is still somebody at the controls making decisions.

 

[KillShot]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what's the difference between a drone and a police helicopter? Or a civilian airplane? The sky is a public place. There are cameras much higher than the drone can fly that can see objects with much better clarity. Unless you are afraid of the Terminators. Then, that is different and a justified worry. Otherwise, unless the drone is flying through your living room, I don't beleive that the search and seizure amendment is applicable.
</div></div>

I agree, I don't think the 4th really applies here because as you mentioned, this is really no different than a police chopper flying around and potentially spotting something and <span style="font-weight: bold">I think the key difference between a drone and a full blown police chopper is simply cost, i.e. it'll be much cheaper to fly the drone. Either way, there is still somebody at the controls.</span> </div></div>

And for that reason, I see how this is a good alternative to choppers in the air.

 

[OdellJym]

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I do, however, doubt that we will see traffic drones. The police power is one that is voluntarily given to them by citizens. Without justification of an imminent threat to public safety, they would easily see that power revoked. It is much harder to regain trust than to maintain trust.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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Gunfighter, Sapchop have you read the National Defense Authorization Act that was passed on Dec 31rst 2012?

Sharf, yes a law was passed allowing this and a whole lot more. It is the NDAA.

Nobody wants to see this happen in America and neither do I. But actually do some research as to what is actually happening on the U.S. / Mexico boarder and tell us what your brilliant plan is to stop the influx of terrorist attempts to get into this country. Like I said, there is no easy answer to this problem. Where will your position be once one of those attempts gets across and into a major city? They only have to be successful one time, We have to be successful every minute of every day. Now tell me how we do this?

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do, however, doubt that we will see traffic drones. The police power is one that is voluntarily given to them by citizens. <span style="font-weight: bold"> Without justification of an imminent threat to public safety, they would easily see that power revoked.</span> It is much harder to regain trust than to maintain trust.</div></div>

Oh, you think so? Are you going to be the one to take them away? If politicians, whether local or national, want something bad enough they will find anything and any way they can to justify why getting rid of it would be worse than keeping it.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do, however, doubt that we will see traffic drones. The police power is one that is voluntarily given to them by citizens. Without justification of an imminent threat to public safety, they would easily see that power revoked. It is much harder to regain trust than to maintain trust. </div></div>

Odell (after the brewery?), I agree with you in that that is the way it's "supposed" to work but the reality is much different.

Case in point: Just last week we had the CIA and police without a warrant spying on Muslims in NY. What is the CIA doing spying within the U.S. boarders and why are police spying with out a warrant?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The <span style="color: #FF0000">New York City Police Department, working in close collaboration with the Central Intelligence Agency, has carried out an unprecedented spying operation directed against Muslim immigrants and Muslim-Americans</span> over the past decade. Details of the work of the NYPD’s intelligence division were reported in a lengthy investigative article released by the Associated Press on August 24.

“A months-long investigation….<span style="color: #FF0000">has revealed that the NYPD operates far outside its borders and targets ethnic communities in ways that would run afoul of civil liberties rules if practiced by the federal government,</span>” the AP article states."</div></div>


Whole story = http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/nypd-a26.shtml

 

[LegioX]

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The US has used a drone attack to assassinate an American citizen overseas because he is a terrorist. I got no probs with that.
However, our fearless leader is calling the shots on who is a terrorist and who's not. IIRC, TSA has quite a variety of folks/groups that are deemed terrorists. I'm sure you all remember that. You don't need a tinfoil hat to think things could go south rather quickly.
Law enforcement and military need not be involved, just some federal alphabet feller, a joystick and an overactive definition of who's a terrorist.
A whole new meaning to 'No Knock Entry'

 

[Slapchop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Using the same attack I used on you earlier...

ignore me as I and many others do you... </div></div>


Your statements contradict each other and it's not in the least bit surprising coming from that little lemming brain of yours. The last sentence in your post says it all. You're unable to stand on your own and form your own opinions. Instead, you go with whatever is popular.

Feel free to continue "ignoring" me lol...

Too funny.

 

[OdellJym]

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Good point, High Binder. I was commenting more on the notion that drone ops would be used for traffic enforcement. People are more willing to go into outrage over speeding tickets, than they would over an agency that has over run it's authority in the "interest" of national security. In one case, you can spin the situation as: If you don't agree to this, then the terrorists have already won. But honestly, what kind of spin can you put on a speed enforcement drone without looking like a dumb *ss?

 

[Slapchop]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do, however, doubt that we will see traffic drones. The police power is one that is voluntarily given to them by citizens. Without justification of an imminent threat to public safety, they would easily see that power revoked. It is much harder to regain trust than to maintain trust. </div></div>

Odell (after the brewery?), I agree with you in that that is the way it's "supposed" to work but the reality is much different.

Case in point: Just last week we had the CIA and police without a warrant spying on Muslims in NY. What is the CIA doing spying within the U.S. boarders and why are police spying with out a warrant?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The <span style="color: #FF0000">New York City Police Department, working in close collaboration with the Central Intelligence Agency, has carried out an unprecedented spying operation directed against Muslim immigrants and Muslim-Americans</span> over the past decade. Details of the work of the NYPD’s intelligence division were reported in a lengthy investigative article released by the Associated Press on August 24.

“A months-long investigation….<span style="color: #FF0000">has revealed that the NYPD operates far outside its borders and targets ethnic communities in ways that would run afoul of civil liberties rules if practiced by the federal government,</span>” the AP article states."</div></div>


Whole story = http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/nypd-a26.shtml </div></div>

I know that this is going to go over your lemming head but there is NOTHING illegal about what the NYPD did. No need for a warrant to conduct undercover operations or certain kinds of surveillance. Nor is the NYPD restricted to the confines of NYC when conducting investigations or said operations.

Due to the fact that New Jersey has been the staging area for several terrorist attacks/attempts on NYC, I say good on the job for being proactive in it's attempts to prevent another attack. I'm sure if Jersey kept it's terrorists in Jersey, the NYPD would keep its cops in NYC.

 

[-=boone=-]

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We can't have it both ways people. Unless we suddenly change our current government into a common sense government. I don't see this happening any time soon.

We can’t sit here and say we want our borders safe and secure and not give Law Enforcement the best tools to get the job done.

While I agree about being very hesitant to give Government any more power than it has, what else can we do right now other that hope the guys running this shit are doing it for the right reasons.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do, however, doubt that we will see traffic drones. The police power is one that is voluntarily given to them by citizens. Without justification of an imminent threat to public safety, they would easily see that power revoked. It is much harder to regain trust than to maintain trust. </div></div>

Odell (after the brewery?), I agree with you in that that is the way it's "supposed" to work but the reality is much different.

Case in point: Just last week we had the CIA and police without a warrant spying on Muslims in NY. What is the CIA doing spying within the U.S. boarders and why are police spying with out a warrant?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The <span style="color: #FF0000">New York City Police Department, working in close collaboration with the Central Intelligence Agency, has carried out an unprecedented spying operation directed against Muslim immigrants and Muslim-Americans</span> over the past decade. Details of the work of the NYPD’s intelligence division were reported in a lengthy investigative article released by the Associated Press on August 24.

“A months-long investigation….<span style="color: #FF0000">has revealed that the NYPD operates far outside its borders and targets ethnic communities in ways that would run afoul of civil liberties rules if practiced by the federal government,</span>” the AP article states."</div></div>


Whole story = http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/aug2011/nypd-a26.shtml </div></div>

I know that this is going to go over your lemming head but there is NOTHING illegal about what the NYPD did. No need for a warrant to conduct undercover operations or certain kinds of surveillance. Nor is the NYPD restricted to the confines of NYC when conducting investigations or said operations.

Due to the fact that New Jersey has been the staging area for several terrorist attacks/attempts on NYC, I say good on the job for being proactive in it's attempts to prevent another attack. I'm sure if Jersey kept it's terrorists in Jersey, the NYPD would keep its cops in NYC. </div></div>

^^^Proved my point and my/our argument.

 

[Guest]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gunfighter, Sapchop have you read the National Defense Authorization Act that was passed on Dec 31rst 2012?

Sharf, yes a law was passed allowing this and a whole lot more. It is the NDAA.

Nobody wants to see this happen in America and neither do I. But actually do some research as to what is actually happening on the U.S. / Mexico boarder and tell us what your brilliant plan is to stop the influx of terrorist attempts to get into this country. Like I said, there is no easy answer to this problem. Where will your position be once one of those attempts gets across and into a major city? They only have to be successful one time, We have to be successful every minute of every day. Now tell me how we do this?</div></div>
The NDAA is just another legal way to take away our rights, just as the "Piss on the public-act" and many more passed B/S, feel good laws, that are never made public, do your home work.

If you want to close the borders, and stop all those problems put me in charge. But,... don't come whining when all the drug money, that's providing all those jobs an tax base, dries up.
This horse shit about a criminals rights, is what has brought us to this point, an now, the criminal an illegal issues, have our own gov trampling all over the COTUS. Then again who is the real enemy of the COTUS and the public at large?
The sheep set around waiting on another LAW, or someone else to stand up an protect them from the boggyman. If that's the way they want to live they need to keep standing in the welfare line, for their safety an daily dole. Don't bitch when a counter is place upon your chest an you have to pay for each breath, they allow you to take.
Until the people of this country stand up an say Fuck This shit, they deserve everything <span style="font-weight: bold">THEY</span> vote in, allow to be voted in, or set on their ass and allow to happen. The border "Problem" is about <span style="font-weight: bold">MONEY AN POWER</span> nothing more or less, and our own gov is allowing it to happen.
Why do you think that would be?
What kind of benefit/gain would there be in it for uncle to allow it happen? I'm a dumn ass hillbilly, but it's rather clear to me an many others, you?

 

[Killer Spade 13]

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Put a mini-gun on that mother and patrol the border.

Wooooooooo Damn Hooooooooo !!!!!

 

[KillShot]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gunfighter, Sapchop have you read the National Defense Authorization Act that was passed on Dec 31rst 2012?

Sharf, yes a law was passed allowing this and a whole lot more. It is the NDAA.

Nobody wants to see this happen in America and neither do I. But actually do some research as to what is actually happening on the U.S. / Mexico boarder and tell us what your brilliant plan is to stop the influx of terrorist attempts to get into this country. Like I said, there is no easy answer to this problem. Where will your position be once one of those attempts gets across and into a major city? They only have to be successful one time, We have to be successful every minute of every day. Now tell me how we do this?</div></div>
The NDAA is just another legal way to take away our rights, just as the "Piss on the public-act" and many more passed B/S, feel good laws, that are never made public, do your home work.

If you want to close the borders, and stop all those problems put me in charge. But,... don't come whining when all the drug money, that's providing all those jobs an tax base, dries up.
This horse shit about a criminals rights, is what has brought us to this point, an now, the criminal an illegal issues, have our own gov trampling all over the COTUS. Then again who is the real enemy of the COTUS and the public at large?
The sheep set around waiting on another LAW, or someone else to stand up an protect them from the boggyman. If that's the way they want to live they need to keep standing in the welfare line, for their safety an daily dole. Don't bitch when a counter is place upon your chest an you have to pay for each breath, they allow you to take.
Until the people of this country stand up an say Fuck This shit, they deserve everything <span style="font-weight: bold">THEY</span> vote in, allow to be voted in, or set on their ass and allow to happen. The border "Problem" is about <span style="font-weight: bold">MONEY AN POWER</span> nothing more or less, and our own gov is allowing it to happen.
Why do you think that would be?
What kind of benefit/gain would there be in it for uncle to allow it happen? I'm a dumn ass hillbilly, but it's rather clear to me an many others, you? </div></div>


HOT DAMN, that is good stuff!

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gunfighter, Sapchop have you read the National Defense Authorization Act that was passed on Dec 31rst 2012?

Sharf, yes a law was passed allowing this and a whole lot more. It is the NDAA.

Nobody wants to see this happen in America and neither do I. But actually do some research as to what is actually happening on the U.S. / Mexico boarder and tell us what your brilliant plan is to stop the influx of terrorist attempts to get into this country. Like I said, there is no easy answer to this problem. Where will your position be once one of those attempts gets across and into a major city? They only have to be successful one time, We have to be successful every minute of every day. Now tell me how we do this?</div></div>
The NDAA is just another legal way to take away our rights, just as the "Piss on the public-act" and many more passed B/S, feel good laws, that are never made public, do your home work.

If you want to close the borders, and stop all those problems put me in charge. But,... don't come whining when all the drug money, that's providing all those jobs an tax base, dries up.
This horse shit about a criminals rights, is what has brought us to this point, an now, the criminal an illegal issues, have our own gov trampling all over the COTUS. Then again who is the real enemy of the COTUS and the public at large?
The sheep set around waiting on another LAW, or someone else to stand up an protect them from the boggyman. If that's the way they want to live they need to keep standing in the welfare line, for their safety an daily dole. Don't bitch when a counter is place upon your chest an you have to pay for each breath, they allow you to take.
Until the people of this country stand up an say Fuck This shit, they deserve everything <span style="font-weight: bold">THEY</span> vote in, allow to be voted in, or set on their ass and allow to happen. The border "Problem" is about <span style="font-weight: bold">MONEY AN POWER</span> nothing more or less, and our own gov is allowing it to happen.
Why do you think that would be?
What kind of benefit/gain would there be in it for uncle to allow it happen? I'm a dumn ass hillbilly, but it's rather clear to me an many others, you? </div></div>


I agree, more than you would think. Problem is, others that believe like this are in the minority and that is just fact. Money and power is the problem and has been since Moby Dick was a minnow. Money will continue to be the problem till the end of time. Putting you, or others like you, in charge is not an option nor will it ever be. Why? Simple actually. Because you believe in the country and what that flag stands for. Getting people to stand up and say enough is enough... well good luck on that one.

Let me put this example out there. Let say you live in a neighborhood that has an issue with a sewer problem. The neighborhood gets together and discusses the issue. Everyone is in agreement that they need to go to the county seat and bring this issue up before the town at the next town hall meeting. Everyone elects you to speak on their behalf and promise you they will back you no matter what. Wednesday night you get to the town hall meeting and you are the only one there.
You know as well as I know that 9 times out of 10 this is how it happens. See here in lies the problem. The majority of people are not willing to loose what comfort they have, their jobs, their fancy car, their weekend retreats at the lake, etc. Men fight for freedom, then they make laws to take it away from them. How many of those that believe like you are willing to give up that nice home, fancy car, $100,000 job. Because until people are willing to give up those luxuries, Liberty will continue to erode.

Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility.

We have enjoyed so much freedom for so long that we are perhaps in danger of forgetting how much blood it cost to establish the Bill of Rights. ~Felix Frankfurter

 

[KYpatriot]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Nope, thats what a fence and enforcing existing immigration law is for. If you are gonna play catch and release, whats the point of catching?

What WILL happen is that all the LEGAL residents will get to enjoy the drone peeking in their backyard and while at the same time the immigration problem will be just as bad as it ever was.

Just like the TSA hasn't reduced the threat of terrorist attacks on our air transport system,

Just like the exponential explosion of SWAT teams and no- knock warrants havent solved the drug problem.

Just one more example of the current trend in American politics to trade liberty for security, when what we really get instead of security is a bigger tax bill.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Nope, thats what a fence and enforcing existing immigration law is for. If you are gonna play catch and release, whats the point of catching? </div></div>

Yea I see what you mean.

Just take a several thousand "T" post and a shit load of barbed wire and run it right down the Rio "which coincidently is what divides the lake in half". Did you just come up with this of the top of your head or did you actually research your idea?

 

[opshin556]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Guys, if it becomes an issue with privacy im sure it will get shot down by the local rambo.
so dont worry too much.

 

[KYpatriot]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Surgeon:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea I see what you mean.

Just take a several thousand "T" post and a shit load of barbed wire and run it right down the Rio "which coincidently is what divides the lake in half". Did you just come up with this of the top of your head or did you actually research your idea?

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There is far more to the border than this lake.

Surgeon, serious question for you. Do you think we really don't catch illegals coming over? We do, all the time. In fact we catch the same ones over and over.

So what is the point of a drone? It is just another way to find people in the desert who we will give medical care and water to and then release back over the border to try again in a few days.

We could build a barrier to control our territory easily. What we have is a ROE problem and a "political will" problem, not a technology or resource problem. A drone will solve nothing.

 

[Guest]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, if it becomes an issue with privacy im sure it will get shot down by the local rambo.
so dont worry too much. </div></div>

A6 intruders of the 60's an 70's have nothing on whizzbang in the 21st. I'd bet a below average, extra class Ham radio operator could take control or it, w/o the LE driver ever knowing what happened.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Immigrants: A person who migrates to another country to seek residence or asylum.

Do you really think that illegal immigration, as it relates to the average mexican, is what this is all about?

The national debt is already at $15,569,540,074,529. Were do suppose we are going to get the money to build this wall? Just as a drone will not solve anything, what do you think a wall is going to do.


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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigations have revealed that aliens were smuggled from the Middle East to staging areas in Central and South America, before being smuggled illegally into the United States.
Members of Hezbollah have already entered the United States across the Southwest border.
U.S. military and intelligence officials believe that Venezuela is emerging as a potential hub of terrorism in the Western Hemisphere. The Venezuelan government is issuing identity documents that could subsequently be used to obtain a U.S. visa and enter the country.
The Texas border – specifically the McAllen area – outpaces the rest of the nation in OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) and aliens from “special-interest countries.”

From Sept. 11, 2001, to 2006, the Department of Homeland Security reported a 41 percent increase in arrests along the Texas/Mexico border of “special-interest aliens” – including aliens from Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Cuba, Brazil, Ecuador, China, Russia, Yemen, Albania, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan – all apprehended in the South Texas region alone.

U.S. immigration authorities have discovered items along the banks of the Rio Grande River that suggest ties to terrorist organizations. In 2006, Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez of Zapata County, Texas, reported that officials found Iranian currency in the same area.

Also, a jacket found in Jim Hogg County, Texas, was covered in patches from countries where al-Qaida is known to operate. The patches include an Arabic military badge and one that illustrates an airplane flying into a tower. Another one features a depiction of a lion’s head with wings and a parachute. The Arab insignia reads “martyr,” “way to eternal life” or “way to immortality.”

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

We are sitting here talking about a simple drone in Texas. If you are concerned about privacy and the constitution, this single drone is the least of your worries.


By Robert W. B. Love Jr. • Apr 13th, 2011 • Category: Featured
There is something watching you. It can access your bank records, your credit records, who you texted on your cell phone, whether or not you are vaccinated … all without your knowledge. It isn’t an identity thief searching through your garbage, it is a highly sophisticated federally funded data center called a Fusion Center. Thankfully, the Austin Police Department is leading the way for the nation in protecting our privacy and civil liberties from unregulated Fusion Centers.

General Info:

A Fusion Center is a law enforcement hub for collecting and sharing information. Fusion Centers were created after 9/11 to help fight terrorism and are currently free to document the activities of Texans engaging in First Amendment protected activities (e.g., protests and political rallies) and collect non-criminal information (e.g., bank statements, credit card statements, medical history) on private citizens.

Fusion Centers “increase the ability of law enforcement to think about the causes and patterns of crime rather than being simply reactive,” Dr. Michael Lauderdale, Chairman of Austin’s Public Safety Commission, said. Lauderdale was instrumental in bringing a Fusion Center to Austin and he sees the potential negatives of Fusion Centers. “They may gather data that is interesting but may not be appropriate or legal, or become very unwieldy because of the amount of data collected.”

According to Matt Simpson of the ACLU of Texas, “The problem is that the legislation needs to catch up with the technology. Previously, a search warrant would be required to go through files and collect someone’s bank or telephone records.” Now, collecting that information is easy as pushing a button, and some law enforcement agencies have forgotten that the Constitution still applies and that warrants are still required.

Fusion Center Follies

In February 2009 the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a Fusion Center in Missouri, issued a report entitled “The Modern Militia Movement” that instructed law enforcement to consider those with bumper stickers of third-party candidates as potential members of a violent militia.

Catherine Bleish, a peace-activist in Missouri, was profiled by the MIAC because she served as delegate for the state of Missouri at the RNC in 2008 … supporting Ron Paul. She later appeared on Jesse Ventura’s television show Conspiracy Theory to tell America how she was targeted by a Fusion Center for supporting a political candidate.

In February 2009 the North Central Texas Fusion System, a Fusion Center in Collin County, released a report that said that it is “imperative for law enforcement officers to report” on the activities of lobbying groups, Muslim civil rights organizations and anti-war protest groups. In January 2010 The Texas Observer learned through a freedom of information request that the NCTFS was training employees to search websites for “threatening words”… including the word “protest.” Expressing religious and political viewpoints are activities protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and should not be monitored by government agencies.

Ben, a veteran of the Air Force, was pulled over while riding his motorcycle. Several squad cards, the DEA and a drug dog rushed to the scene. After detaining Ben for over an hour the police found no drugs and did not charge Ben with a crime, yet felt the need to take pictures of his tattoos and his motorcycle club patch and send that information to a Fusion Center.

William served in the Army for 24 years. He served in Iraq, dealt with top-secret information, and even had a top-secret NATO clearance. William retired from the Army in 2010. Within a month of returning home to America he was pulled over while riding his motorcycle, was photographed, and his data was entered into a Fusion Center. He had broken no laws.

“I’ve been shot at and I’ve almost been blown up. It is a disgrace for me to come home and be put in the same data base as the terrorists that killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11,” William said at the committee hearing on HB 3219, a Fusion Center bill.

The Austin Regional Intelligence Center

One day before City Council was scheduled to approve the creation of the ARIC, Texans for Accountable Government, a local activist group and government watchdog, found language in the ARIC charter that would require the ARIC to collect and analyze health information. Austin City Council and the Austin Police Department responded that health information was private and that the goal of the ARIC was to fight crime, not monitor the health of the citizens. As a result, the ARIC does not collect health information.

The ARIC also created the most extensive and protective privacy policy of any Fusion Center in Texas. TAG and the ACLU of Texas worked with Assistant Police Chief Carter of APD, the Public Safety Commission, and Council Member Laura Morrison, to establish a comprehensive privacy policy that would ensure that the ARIC would only collect “criminal information” and prevent the ARIC from collecting information on political, religious, or social views.

Dr. Lauderdale of the Public Safety Commission thinks that Fusion Centers should only collect information that has a “criminal predicate” and that the privacy policy and standards of the ARIC should be adopted by other Fusion Centers.

Once ARIC created its privacy policy, Kelley Stone, Chief of the NCTFS and Director of Collin County Homeland Security, readily adopted that privacy policy into his Fusion Center to help ensure that his Fusion Center would not violate the constitutional rights of Texans.

Texas Legislature:

The ARIC has a privacy policy that “serves as a model for the nation,” said Cary Roberts, Executive Director of the Greater Austin Crime Commission. Three bills in the state legislature seek to make that privacy policy standard for all Fusion Centers in Texas.

1: HB 3324 by Rep. McClendon creates a council to recommend rules regarding Fusion Centers.

2: SB 1572 by Austin’s Sen. Kirk Watson would require that all Fusion Centers adopt a privacy policy similar to that of the ARIC, including protections for veterans and those in social clubs (e.g., biker clubs). These added provisions would protect the many law-abiding citizens who are veterans and bikers who have been unfairly targeted by Fusion Centers.

3: HB 3219 by Rep. Thompson is the most comprehensive of the proposed bills, including everything in Watson’s bill, and also prevents the collection of personally identifiable biometric information (e.g., tattoos) and requires every Fusion Center in Texas to establish and maintain an oversight board.

Fusion Centers can be very scary if you consider that all of your personal information could be aggregated in one place without your knowledge. The good news is that Austin is leading the way in protecting the privacy of its citizens by ensuring that the Austin Fusion Center only collects information of a criminal nature, and specifically prevents it from collecting information on social, religious, or political views. These standards must be adopted by all Fusion Centers to ensure that they are specifically prohibited from violating our constitutional rights.

 

[KYpatriot]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

While I agree about being very hesitant to give Government any more power than it has, what else can we do right now other that hope the guys running this shit are doing it for the right reasons.
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Boone I would urge you to think about this a little more - we don't need to hope, we need to oppose this stuff everywhere we can.

Surgeon, I think you missed my point, let me restate.

I think we could easily have secured the border, with a tiny fraction of the money we have already spent on the "war on terror." This fraction would have been some of the only money spent so far that would return some real security for the expense, as the evidence in your post clearly suggests. Obviously, that didn't happen and isn't likely to happen, as no politician is willing to risk angering a hispanic voter base even for national security.

So we will not secure the border. The illegals we DO catch we dont do anything with. Any one of them could be an attacker. I see no reason to subject ourselves to further surveillance when we aren't going to do a damn thing to secure the border. A drone won't fix, just like a wall alone won't fix.

Nothing will change until we have the will, as American citizens, to force the government to follow the law and do its job instead of pander for votes and spend our money as bribes. Unfortunately, I predict it will take a mass casualty event worse than 911 before people wake up. I think we have avoided that mostly due to the incompetence of our enemies rather than our homeland defense countermeasures.

By the way, I agree with the rest of your post...we do have much to worry about other than drones...

 

[NET65]

Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

Montgomery County is quite a ways from the border so I think border security for a use is pretty remote. However good photography can play a role in high risk warrant service recon. Good, up to date pictures can orient the team during the op order briefing. It could also be used to put eyes on an area that is not easily visible during a HR situation, where knowing the suspect location and movements is critical.

Do I think it will be abused, nope. It will get played with for a few SWAT training days and then thrown into the truck for the off chance that the wind is clam enough, and the operator is competent enough to deploy it for the above mentioned situations.