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Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The new guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Montgomery County is quite a ways from the border so I think border security for a use is pretty remote. However good photography can play a role in high risk warrant service recon. Good, up to date pictures can orient the team during the op order briefing. It could also be used to put eyes on an area that is not easily visible during a HR situation, where knowing the suspect location and movements is critical.

Do I think it will be abused, nope. It will get played with for a few SWAT training days and then thrown into the truck for the off chance that the wind is clam enough, and the operator is competent enough to deploy it for the above mentioned situations. </div></div>

If you will look, Montgomery County Texas is not that far from McAllen TX or the boarder.

The Texas border – specifically the McAllen area – outpaces the rest of the nation in OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) and aliens from “special-interest countries.”
 
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I have nothing to hide and I'm scared shitless, so yes I think every Andy Mayberry ought to have a drone, a surplus M109, and a Lenco Bearcat to keep me safe from these goat riding terrorists I've hearing about for ten years.

I wear my seat belt every second that my pickup is running because the government told me it was for my own safety, because I could be killed were I in a collision.

I applied to a mindless bureaucrat ten years ago for the state assigned privelidge to carry a concealed weapon, although now since I sold off all my guns I guess I can now send that back to.

Fortunately in my workplace I now have an OSHA inspector running around looking for alleged safety violations, all in the name of worker safety. Of course paying the fines they dish out keeps us all safer in the long run, just like our new red light cameras, and the automated speed cameras we have around the county.

I wish I could be assigned my own private mind numbed bureaucrat to follow me around all day and keep me safe, of course that would probably require me to not smoke my seven dollar a pack cigarettes in his presence, because we all know second hand smoke kills trillions of people every year..

Please, please, please let me have complete freedom from all fear at all time.

Just like FDR promised my Grandpa, along with freedom from want.

Cradle to grave, I need my government to protect me from something, mostly, (it seems with the laws of the last hundred years), myself.

Until my county, state and city have their own newest war inspired shit flying around keeping me safe, I'm just gonna go sit in my closet and cry.



 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

While I agree about being very hesitant to give Government any more power than it has, what else can we do right now other that hope the guys running this shit are doing it for the right reasons.
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Boone I would urge you to think about this a little more - we don't need to hope, we need to oppose this stuff everywhere we can.

Surgeon, I think you missed my point, let me restate.

I think we could easily have secured the border, with a tiny fraction of the money we have already spent on the "war on terror." This fraction would have been some of the only money spent so far that would return some real security for the expense, as the evidence in your post clearly suggests. Obviously, that didn't happen and isn't likely to happen, as no politician is willing to risk angering a hispanic voter base even for national security.

So we will not secure the border. The illegals we DO catch we dont do anything with. Any one of them could be an attacker. I see no reason to subject ourselves to further surveillance when we aren't going to do a damn thing to secure the border. A drone won't fix, just like a wall alone won't fix.

Nothing will change until we have the will, as American citizens, to force the government to follow the law and do its job instead of pander for votes and spend our money as bribes. Unfortunately, I predict it will take a mass casualty event worse than 911 before people wake up. I think we have avoided that mostly due to the incompetence of our enemies rather than our homeland defense countermeasures.

By the way, I agree with the rest of your post...we do have much to worry about other than drones... </div></div>

Okay, I'm following you now. I did misunderstand you. I, like you, think it will take something much worse than 9/11 or Oklahoma City to get people on their feet. This is bigger than just a drone. This is "Fat cats" sitting on capital hill collecting money for pushing their own elitist agenda, socialism, national health care, etc. Every SOB, and I mean every one of them, need to be pulled out of office and replaced with men and women that uphold the very fabric of this great nation. Those that believe in the Constitution and what that flag stands for. I believe it should be mandatory that every elected official be on Medicare and medicaid just like the rest of us. No elected official should draw their salary, regardless of the fact of not being in office no longer, till the day they die. Put elected officials on medicare and it will get fixed.

Back on topic. With NDAA, Fushion Centers, FEMA Camps, Drones used to arrest people in North Dakota, all it will take is an official to inadvertently kill or maim a U.S. citizen and the shit is going to hit the fan. The fuse is already lit. Look at the protest on Wall Street that was just recently held. Police got a bit out of hand and a retired Marine stood up and got in the middle of the whole ordeal. Its on YouTube, give it a look.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hofhine1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have nothing to hide and I'm scared shitless, so yes I think every Andy Mayberry ought to have a drone, a surplus M109, and a Lenco Bearcat to keep me safe from these goat riding terrorists I've hearing about for ten years.

I wear my seat belt every second that my pickup is running because the government told me it was for my own safety, because I could be killed were I in a collision.

I applied to a mindless bureaucrat ten years ago for the state assigned privelidge to carry a concealed weapon, although now since I sold off all my guns I guess I can now send that back to.

Fortunately in my workplace I now have an OSHA inspector running around looking for alleged safety violations, all in the name of worker safety. Of course paying the fines they dish out keeps us all safer in the long run, just like our new red light cameras, and the automated speed cameras we have around the county.

I wish I could be assigned my own private mind numbed bureaucrat to follow me around all day and keep me safe, of course that would probably require me to not smoke my seven dollar a pack cigarettes in his presence, because we all know second hand smoke kills trillions of people every year..

Please, please, please let me have complete freedom from all fear at all time.

Just like FDR promised my Grandpa, along with freedom from want.

Cradle to grave, I need my government to protect me from something, mostly, (it seems with the laws of the last hundred years), myself.

Until my county, state and city have their own newest war inspired shit flying around keeping me safe, I'm just gonna go sit in my closet and cry.



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Yeah I sold all my guns too when they told me they could expose me to lead!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know that this is going to go over your lemming head but there is NOTHING illegal about what the NYPD did. </div></div>

Nothing "illegal" about domestic surveillance of US Citizens, who's only "crime" was their religious affiliation.

No comment on the illegality of maintaining DOSSIERS on people with no record of criminal activity?

I know this is going to go over your head, but PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE is the basis of our entire legal system.

A concept you have either never learned, or have ELECTED to forget.

Thanks for the chuckle.
 
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Holy cow we need to quit with the fear mongering of issues so we can declare war on everything. I get it, it's an effective way to move an agenda. People go nuts and will sign up for all kinds of crazy shit if you scare em and declare the only way to win is to declare war on an issue. It's stupid and doesn't work. The war on drugs was the answer. Now we tolerate all kinds of crazy shit to win that war. We declare war on terrorism and now we tolerate all kinds of crazy shit to win that war. We declare war on illiteracy, intolerance, racism, you name it. This is how it happens. We trade our rights for things like the Patriot Act and this NDAA and TSA shit and thank them for making us safer. In reality we are just one step closer to being ruled instead of being governed. We want this. We've allowed it to happen by putting up with this crazy shit.

We have to militarize our police because we use them to fight all these domestic wars we keep declaring. Military technology invariably becomes tools of law enforcement and we have to suffer the abuse of that strategy. It just cracks me up to think of Slapchop behind the control panel of a dronem cackling like a maniac.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know that this is going to go over your lemming head but there is NOTHING illegal about what the NYPD did. </div></div>

Nothing "illegal" about domestic surveillance of US Citizens, who's only "crime" was their religious affiliation.

No comment on the illegality of maintaining DOSSIERS on people with no record of criminal activity?

I know this is going to go over your head, but PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE is the basis of our entire legal system.

A concept you have either never learned, or have ELECTED to forget.

Thanks for the chuckle.</div></div>

Don't bother wasting your breath. He's a legend in his own mind and the LEO community does no wrong and in his eyes it doesn't matter what the issue is because LEO is justified for their actions.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Don't bother wasting your breathe. He's a legend in his own mind and the LEO community does no wrong in his eyes. No matter what the issue might be, LEO is always justified for their actions in his mind. </div></div>

Not really bro BUT it sounds good doesn't it? Same song and dance from the usual circus clowns like yourself. I'm beginning to catch on to your game. You toss some bait out in the form of a controversial news story then you wait to see which way the wind is gonna blow. Twenty posts later you'll chime back in following popular opinion.

You started this in hopes that it would turn into what it finally has but when it wasn't going your way, you stated that you were "ok" with it. Silly douche, can't you stand on your own two feet without the backing of your lemming buddies? I'd have SOME respect for you if you had manned up and stated your opinion from the start instead of waiting to see what everyone else was gonna say.

Aren't you unable to form your own opinions? Guess not since that would require you to actually excerise some cognitive thought process. It's just easier to follow the lead of the guy in front of you even if it's straight over a cliff.

You might as well copy and paste your posts to me from now on because it's always the same shit and lacking in originality.

Just an FYI, no one is out to get you bro. Take off the tin foil hat and crawl out of that hole of yours. Get some sun and enjoy the outdoors. Don't mind that little plane circling your house.

Stooge...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Don't bother wasting your breathe. He's a legend in his own mind and the LEO community does no wrong in his eyes. No matter what the issue might be, LEO is always justified for their actions in his mind. </div></div>

Not really bro BUT it sounds good doesn't it? Same song and dance from the usual circus clowns like yourself. I'm beginning to catch on to your game. You toss some bait out in the form of a controversial news story then you wait to see which way the wind is gonna blow. Twenty posts later you'll chime back in following popular opinion.

You started this in hopes that it would turn into what it finally has but when it wasn't going your way, you stated that you were "ok" with it. Silly douche, can't you stand on your own two feet without the backing of your lemming buddies? I'd have SOME respect for you if you had manned up and stated your opinion from the start instead of waiting to see what everyone else was gonna say.

Aren't you unable to form your own opinions? Guess not since that would require you to actually excerise some cognitive thought process. It's just easier to follow the lead of the guy in front of you even if it's straight over a cliff.

You might as well copy and paste your posts to me from now on because it's always the same shit and lacking in originality.

Just an FYI, no one is out to get you bro. Take off the tin foil hat and crawl out of that hole of yours. Get some sun and enjoy the outdoors. Don't mind that little plane circling your house.

Stooge...</div></div>

If that's what you choose to believe, go right ahead little boy in blue. I never said I was 'OK' with the idea so go back and read it again. I said I can 'understand' the reasoning behind it, but I never said I agree with it and unlike some, I couldn't give a fuck less whether you or anyone else agrees with my view or stance on a topic, this one included. Those who have spoken against it have voiced the same reasons I am also.

Oh, and for the record, everyone has caught onto your game from day one so take that little tin star of yours and cram it in your self righteous ass.

I am all for LEO and will back them all the way as long as they know their boundaries and don't cross them simply because they 'can' because of the 'I AM the law' attitude or as someone else said, blindly toe the blue line.
 
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Awesome rebuttal lol. Ok tough guy, you win hahahaha.

Hear that noise?

lol
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Oh, and for the record, everyone has caught onto </div></div>

There you go again with that word. "Everyone"! What's the matter too afraid to speak for yourself or stand on your own? Do you think that by saying "everyone this and everybody that" it somehow adds weight to your argument or validates your statements?

You're a big boy right? Take a stance on your own and stop leaning on others to support you. Isn't that what you're always preaching for anyways, self reliance and autonomy? Yet you're not even capable of it on its most basic level.

Lemming lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Montgomery County is in the Houston area, nowhere near the Mexican border. If the MCSO actually got a drone it would never get anywhere close to the border, ever, for any reason.

Americans killed everyday on the lake? LOL, there have been very few US citizens killed on Falcon or on the border in general, for now. T-post and barbed wire? Seriously, you have no idea how deep the lake and river is most areas down in the valley. It's not ankle deep like it is much further west. The deeper parts of the river channel are 25-35 feet deep.

The vast majority of illegals cross the river itself, very few on Falcon. Also, much more dope is crossed on the river versus Falcon, lot shorter distance and less LE.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Oh, and for the record, everyone has caught onto </div></div>

There you go again with that word. "Everyone"! What's the matter too afraid to speak for yourself or stand on your own? Do you think that by saying "everyone this and everybody that" it somehow adds weight to your argument or validates your statements?

You're a big boy right? Take a stance on your own and stop leaning on others to support you. Isn't that what you're always preaching for anyways, self reliance and autonomy? Yet you're not even capable of it on its most basic level.

Lemming lol... </div></div>


Slap, do you give any forethought as to what you're about to post? You're obviously only here to start fights and troll-about but your attacks are ill-conceived. Why do you feel the need to strike at everyone around you like some kind of rabid rattlesnake? When you resort to calling names (especially names that are easily applied to yourself and just the same old recycled insult) you've already lost the battle as it's a sure sign of desperation. I'm starting to seriously doubt you're actually a LEO but if you are you're very unprofessional and as such are giving your fellow LEOs a bad rap with every post you make and there's no way you act like this in real life so this must be where you come to vent. 'And when Killshot says "everyone" he means, "everyone who has had the misfortune of encountering you"...

I know you wont PM me because you want to try to save face publicly but if you want to continue this, PM me, otherwise any/all of your next posts in this thread will be ignored.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obviously, that didn't happen and isn't likely to happen, as no politician is willing to risk angering a hispanic voter base even for national security.

I see no reason to subject ourselves to further surveillance when we aren't going to do a damn thing to secure the border. A drone won't fix, just like a wall alone won't fix.

Nothing will change until we have the will, </div></div>

KY, I couldn't agree more. I think it's pretty clear that our nation's security has been sold for votes and like you said, we simply don't have the political will to truly solve the immigration problem. So let's not further erode our own privacy rights under the guise of caring about immigration. I really do think this one drone is OK but I would bet money that before too long we'll see more and more drones popping up everywhere and being used for a far wider range of things. It's a slippery slope and we're dealing with people who take miles when you give an inch.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I know you wont PM me because you want to try to save face publicly but if you want to continue this, PM me, otherwise any/all of your next posts in this thread will be ignored. </div></div>

Isn't that what you said the last time you said you were gonna ignore me? Why are you still responding? Oh, yea it's because the other guy responded so you can't help yourself lol

Typical and disturbing, in a comical sorta way.
 
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If I did have a problem with it ,I would not tell any one about it....


And have ,or has any one reading here actually read and studied the Patriot act? 1 and 2?
I have not ...And have heard most of the congress has not....
 
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And would this aerial spook be considered similar to the interstate aerial survelliance already going on?
Like with the speed mark stirps?Used for years
Or

Already in some areas ,(they) fly over and photo the properties and then go in with code violations etc.
You know ,old cars ,tires,lumber piled up , not sure of the parameters used.And you have a fence or whatever,no complaints,but then get tickets,notifications of code violations etc...
So they already watch and observe...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obviously, that didn't happen and isn't likely to happen, as no politician is willing to risk angering a hispanic voter base even for national security.

I see no reason to subject ourselves to further surveillance when we aren't going to do a damn thing to secure the border. A drone won't fix, just like a wall alone won't fix.

Nothing will change until we have the will, </div></div>

KY, I couldn't agree more. I think it's pretty clear that our nation's security has been
sold for votes and like you said, we simply don't have the political will to truly solve the immigration problem. So let's not further erode our own privacy rights under the guise of caring about immigration. I really do think this one drone is OK but I would bet
money that before too long we'll see more and more drones popping up everywhere and being used for a far wider range of things. It's a slippery slope and we're dealing with people who take miles when you give an inch. </div></div>

So this drone isn't going to be used for Falcon Lake. Will it be used to address migration of illegal aliens? Given that the DREAM act was already passed by executive order months ago, illegals now have the right to get driver's licenses and the Feds are opposing the need for photoID at elections, I doubt the drones will be used for the purpose of controlling the influx of immigrants.

On the topic of illegals from other "countries of interest" i.e. Yemen, Syria entering the US via Mexico how will this drone distinguish your garden variety illegal from the Middle East imported ones?

Regarding drones and police helicopters at this point, their current purpose doesn't preclude their use for other purposes and objectives if/when martial law would be imposed. The national militia outlined in the Healthcare bill is going to need toys at some point...

Does one drone make a difference when there are already numerous in place from DHS? Doubt it. If your concerned about violation of privacy, loss of rights that boat has long left the dock and unlikely to be returning.
 
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If you will look, Montgomery County Texas is not that far from McAllen TX or the boarder./quote]

Seriously? They are about 400 miles apart. Unless there is another Montgomery county I'm not aware of. My only point was to point out that the idea of Montgomery county using the drone to patrol the border was misguided. Would you make the same assumption if Las Vegas PD purchased a drone? LV is about as far from the border as Montgomery county.
 
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Glad we have hashed, nothing to worry about now.
How is my app coming for food stamps, an that free phone is not here yet. By the way, I'd like you to take care of my power bill, and about that 50% off gas card you promised when I retired, where the fuck is it at? Work all my life an what do I get a bunch of lame promises, from my own gov, like WTF is up with that?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: robbf213</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Montgomery County is in the Houston area, nowhere near the Mexican border. If the MCSO actually got a drone it would never get anywhere close to the border, ever, for any reason.

Americans killed everyday on the lake? LOL, there have been very few US citizens killed on Falcon or on the border in general, for now. T-post and barbed wire? Seriously, you have no idea how deep the lake and river is most areas down in the valley. It's not ankle deep like it is much further west. The deeper parts of the river channel are 25-35 feet deep.

The vast majority of illegals cross the river itself, very few on Falcon. Also, much more dope is crossed on the river versus Falcon, lot shorter distance and less LE. </div></div>


Did you bother to read the post prior to the "T" post comment? Were you just throwing out words to see where they landed? Did you ever actually go back through the post and read and find out what lead to that post? If you would have read the post prior to this one, you would realize you are making my very point!

Here is some advice for you, try reading a thread before you post. Until then, "Seek life elsewhere"!

Have you ever heard of a facetious or condescending remark?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: robbf213</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Montgomery County is in the Houston area, nowhere near the Mexican border. If the MCSO actually got a drone it would never get anywhere close to the border, ever, for any reason.

Americans killed everyday on the lake? LOL, there have been very few US citizens killed on Falcon or on the border in general, for now. T-post and barbed wire? Seriously, you have no idea how deep the lake and river is most areas down in the valley. It's not ankle deep like it is much further west. The deeper parts of the river channel are 25-35 feet deep.

The vast majority of illegals cross the river itself, very few on Falcon. Also, much more dope is crossed on the river versus Falcon, lot shorter distance and less LE. </div></div>

Just for you Rocko:

While U.S. officials have long been concerned about the mindless violence bred by Mexico’s bloody and brutal drug wars, they have a new reason to worry: Americans are increasingly getting caught in the deadly crossfire.
Some who have died were themselves working for the drug cartels. But more and more often, experts say, the casualties are U.S. law enforcement officers and innocent victims who died simply because they ended up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

NBC News: ‘War next door’ linked directly to U.S.
"These cartels will stop at nothing," said Tiffany Hartley, who became an anti-cartel crusader after her husband, David, apparently was gunned down on Sept. 30 by Mexican drug gang members on Falcon Lake, a dammed section of the Rio Grande straddling the Texas-Mexico border. "The violence is not going to stop and more will die at the unforgiving hands of cartels."
No one can say for certain how many Americans have been killed in the escalating Mexican drug violence in the past several years, but the closest thing to an official list — the U.S. State Department’s database of deaths of U.S. citizens abroad by non-natural causes — indicates that the number has been steadily increasing.
At least 106 U.S. residents were victims of "executions" or "homicides" directly related to drug battles in Mexico in 2010, compared to 79 in 2009 and 35 in 2007, according to the State Department figures.
Many deaths, disappearances aren't tallied
And experts — and the State Department itself — say the number is certainly much higher. For example, the State Department doesn’t list several recent high-profile deaths that have been publicly linked to the drug cartels or cases in which Americans have vanished or been killed in the U.S. by Mexican drug gangs.
"You have a lot of folks who are dual citizens, with some born in the U.S. but (who) live on the Mexico side," Scott Stewart, a vice president with the global intelligence firm STRATFOR, said of the difficulty in documenting American deaths connected to cartel violence. "A lot of them are working back and forth and some are working as gunmen too. And when someone like that dies, it is hard to know. Some simply disappear while others are lying in a vat of lye or dumped into a mass grave."
STRATFOR also says the presence of cartels has been documented in more than 230 U.S. cities.
The number of American deaths pales in comparison to the Mexican death toll from the violence: 15,273 in 2010 alone, according to the Mexican government.
But some U.S. law enforcement officials closest to the border say that new aggressiveness by the cartels — including threats to target U.S. law enforcement officers — and increasing drug gang violence on the U.S. side of the border mean that more Americans will die if the U.S. and Mexico can’t soon turn the tide.
Mexico cartels
Find out more
STRATFOR is a global intel firm covering drug-related activities in Mexico and the U.S.


Among the recent high-profile killings of Americans believed to be linked to drug trafficking:
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent Jaime Zapata, 32, died Feb. 15 when hit men from the Zetas cartel attacked the agents' blue Chevy Suburban as he and his partner, Victor Avila, drove through Mexico's San Luis Potosi state. Zapata was on assignment to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement attaché in Mexico City from his post in Laredo, Texas. Avila was shot twice in the leg.
• American missionary Nancy Davis. Davis and her husband, Sam, were driving their 2008 Chevrolet pickup on a highway near San Fernando, about 70 miles south of the Mexican border city of Reynosa when killers opened fire on Jan. 26, hitting the 59-year-old woman in the head. Mexican and U.S. authorities said the gunmen were likely cartel thugs bent on stealing the couple’s truck.
• Martin Alejandro Cota-Monroy , 38, was found dead in a Chandler, Ariz., apartment on Oct. 10, his severed head several feet away from his trunk. Police later determined that he was killed in retaliation for stealing 400 pounds of marijuana from the PEI-Estatales/El Chapo Drug Trafficking Organization.
• Third-generation cattle rancher Robert Krentz, 58, and his dog, an 8-year-old heeler named Blue, were gunned down moments after Krentz reported seeing someone in trouble on his ranch, northeast of Douglas, Ariz., on March 27, 2010. Subsequent investigation suggested the killing was not random and that drug smugglers may have been responsible.
But many cases involving Americans killed in Mexico or in the U.S. near the border are nowhere near so clear-cut, leaving investigators to try and puzzle out a motive:
• U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry, 40, was killed on Dec. 10 during an exchange with heavily armed men along the busiest smuggling corridor in Arizona, just north of the Mexico border. Investigators believe the gunmen were either drug smugglers or bandits who prey on illegal immigrants. Meantime, Congress is investigating whether the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms sold the weapon that was used to kill Terry to suspected Mexican gun runners, according to published reports. The Justice Department has denied the reports.
• Carlos Mario Gonzalez Bermudez, 16, and Juan Carlos Echeverri died on Feb. 5 along with a Mexican teenager in Juárez when unidentified gunmen sprayed a used car dealership with gunfire as the teenagers looked at cars.
• Edgar Lopez, 35, of El Paso, Texas, was killed Oct. 31, along with two Mexican men when gunmen opened fire on a group standing outside a house in Juárez. A day earlier, 26-year-old Giovanna Herrera and 15-year-old Luis Arazia, both U.S. citizens, were slain shortly after crossing an international bridge into Juárez from El Paso.
Cartels getting more aggressive
While the circumstances surrounding individual cases can be difficult to ascertain, authorities in the U.S. say one thing is very clear: The cartels are pushing new boundaries when it comes to targeting Americans.
Recent law enforcement bulletins have stated that cartels have instructed members to shoot and kill American border agents using AK-47 assault rifles, according to testimony presented March 31 at a hearing before the House Subcommittee on Homeland Security.
"The shooting of special agents Zapata and Avila is a game changer which alters the landscape of the involvement of the United States in Mexico's war against the drug cartels," said U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the subcommittee. "For the first time in 25 years, the cartels are now targeting American law enforcement."

John Moore / Getty Images
A U.S. Border Patrol agent arrives for a memorial service for slain comrade Brian Terry on January 21 in Tucson, Ariz. Terry was killed during a Dec. 4, 2010, shootout with suspected bandits near the U.S.-Mexico Border.
Gonzalez, the Texas sheriff, whose department sits on the other side of the Rio Grande from Mexico, said his officers have long seen evidence that the violence doesn’t respect borders.
“The feds say our side of the border is safe,” he said, “but we have bullet holes in our schools and businesses that say otherwise.”
Sheriff’s Sgt. Jimmy Mendoza, who has served on Gonzalez's 28-officer force for six years, said he is worried. He patrols alone while covering a fraction of Zapata County's 997-square-miles.
"The cartels are regrouping, gearing up," Mendoza said. "Our weapons are like squirt guns against their big guns and they want to own our turf."
Gonzalez and many other local lawmen whose territory borders Mexico say the federal government needs to do more to help bolster police forces along the border.
"We need more staffing, we need better weapons," Gonzalez said.
But Tiffany Hartley, who lost her husband to the Mexican drug wars as they jet skied that September day on the Falcon Lake, said the government has waited far too long to get serious about the growing threat posed by the cartels.


<span style="font-weight: bold">Okay, now back to the thread</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The new guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you will look, Montgomery County Texas is not that far from McAllen TX or the boarder./quote]

Seriously? They are about 400 miles apart. Unless there is another Montgomery county I'm not aware of. My only point was to point out that the idea of Montgomery county using the drone to patrol the border was misguided. Would you make the same assumption if Las Vegas PD purchased a drone? LV is about as far from the border as Montgomery county. </div></div>


Houston and Falcon Lake can not be separated as it relates to drug trafficking and the drug cartels. First you need to understand the Los Zetas and the Gulf Cartel.

Google "Houston 2011 Threat Assessment" and give it a read. Then maybe you can understand why I directly related Falcon Lake/Zapata TX and Houston/Montgomery County TX.
 
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Seems like that's how it works up here in AZ, as county sheriff's inflate to no end the so called violence on the border, then tell us they need an uber cool tactibadass thingamabob to go deal with it.

Seems like we are a bit late on the drone story anyway.....

http://www.examiner.com/page-one-in-hous...st-near-houston

And for the record I keep 911 pre-dialed in my house and on my cell phone because since I sold all my guns, all I can do is call the cops when the illegals, drug runners, truant school kids, goat riding terrorists, or member of MS-13 comes to bash in my door and kill me, maim me, steal my food or whatever terror they intend to reign on me.

I wish my county had a SR-71 overhead, so I could finally get some sleep at night, there's just so much to be terrified of nowadays.......


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Is the word "drone" and what most people's understanding of what one is (military drones) what scares people? The ones I've seen in a LEO application are small, short range aircraft that run off an RC style controls. The video feed is poor to decent and have range limitations as well as the remote range limiations and short flight time. I highly doubt with a LEO budget they are going to be able to zoom in and count your nose hairs past your foil draped windows and foil hats. Hell, the microwave signal from the device the aliens planted will probably drown out their signal and cause it to crash....so don't worry.
 
Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: robbf213</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever been to Falcon Lake down on the Texas/Mexico boarder?

American's are being killed everyday on the lake due to the Mexican Drug cartel/pirates that are coming across the boarder on this lake and attacking american fisherman/visitors on this lake. This lake has a surface area well over 83,000 acres. This is what that drone is for. </div></div>

Montgomery County is in the Houston area, nowhere near the Mexican border. If the MCSO actually got a drone it would never get anywhere close to the border, ever, for any reason.

Americans killed everyday on the lake? LOL, there have been very few US citizens killed on Falcon or on the border in general, for now. T-post and barbed wire? Seriously, you have no idea how deep the lake and river is most areas down in the valley. It's not ankle deep like it is much further west. The deeper parts of the river channel are 25-35 feet deep.

The vast majority of illegals cross the river itself, very few on Falcon. Also, much more dope is crossed on the river versus Falcon, lot shorter distance and less LE. </div></div>


Did you bother to read the post prior to the "T" post comment? Were you just throwing out words to see where they landed? Did you ever actually go back through the post and read and find out what lead to that post? If you would have read the post prior to this one, you would realize you are making my very point!

Here is some advice for you, try reading a thread before you post. Until then, "Seek life elsewhere"!

Have you ever heard of a facetious or condescending remark? </div></div>

I'm not sure, I did read every post but you've done so much talking out of your ass about things you don't know anything about I may have gotten the context of the post wrong.

Anyway, you're comments about Montgomery County being close to the border and Americans dieing everyday on the lake are asinine. In addition I certainly don't need to be educated on what happens on OUR border from someone behind a computer in OK.

I work the border in a LE capacity for the state. I know intimately what happens down here, I see it all first hand. You're doing what? Regurgitating things you read on the Internet...You asked someone else have you even been to Falcon? What about you? What do you know about it? Been down there fishing once or twice. I spend hundreds of hours every year in and around Falcon and all along the mesquite and prickly pear covered banks all along the Rio..

 
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Well then, since you seem to have first hand knowledge of what is going on down there and why a drone maybe used in Montgomery. Then how about you enlighten us, instead of sitting on the sidelines and picking apart my post. If I am talking out of my ass, then how about you use that wealth of knowledge and straighten me out.

I would bet 75% of us that have posted here do not have the knowledge and experience that you do in dealing with this very subject. So, why are you still sitting on the sidelines? How about you jump on in here and tell us why in the hell Montgomery County, TX needs a drone. Because if it is not to help with the influx of both the Los Zepta or the Gulf Cartel, then what in the hell is it for?

109 American deaths were reported on Falcon lake in 2011. Thats is a death every 2-3 days. Is this report wrong?
 
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Sorry, I do get passionate about the subject! Honestly a drone in Montgomery County would be a ridiculous waste of money. It would do nothing to curb anything coming across the border, at all.

I would imagine the Sheriff just wants a new toy. Everyday a ridiculous amount of dope do go through Montgomery Co. but a drone isn't going to do anything to find it. Police making traffic stops on likely load vehicles is going to catch a small percentage of it. A drone may be a decent tool for finding local weed grows but it is much cheaper to use a local pilot or a DPS helicopter out of Houston.

A death every 2-3 days on Falcon cannot be right. I would not put too much stock in the source of that info. Falcon is one of the best bass lakes in the state, if not the US and there really are very few problems even with the amount of fishermen that stupidly fish the Mexican side. We catch some loads of dope coming across Falcon but not nearly the amount coming across below the dam and further south towards McAllen.

Things are going to get much worse before they get better, we've engaged each other and the cartels have come out on the losing end, for now. It's just a matter of time before one of our boats gets lit up with an RPG or something else heavy.
 
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The report was placed a few post up from this one. The report came from NBC and I have found several like it. I know NBC is a tad bit liberal, so I do take what they report with a grain of salt, that is if I have some harder facts to base my knowledge off of. Till then I am forced to use the facts that I have.

I did think about the sheriff of this county using the drug war as a reason to justify the drone for his personal toy collection. But, without knowing his personal integrity, I am forced to assume that it is for legitimate reasons.
 
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It would be soooooooooooooooooooooo easy to take control of that drone - but they already crashed it once.

I fly these and it would not take "Much" to figure out what frequency they are on
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Here's a trip to wal-mart I made with my drone
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It would be soooooooooooooooooooooo easy to take control of that drone </div></div>

Yes it would, as everything one needs can be found in most Ham Shacks, or any RF supply store. RFI at the maximum moment, will work long enough for gravity to come knocking.
 
Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It would be soooooooooooooooooooooo easy to take control of that drone </div></div>

Yes it would, as everything one needs can be found in most Ham Shacks, or any RF supply store. RFI at the maximum moment, will work long enough for gravity to come knocking.

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But then you have to deal with 100 jackbooted thugs kicking in everyone's door within a sq. mile of the crash doing a Patriot Act inspired warrant-less search.

Cool video Artic! Were you flying that via video transmitted back to you?
 
Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It would be soooooooooooooooooooooo easy to take control of that drone - but they already crashed it once.

I fly these and it would not take "Much" to figure out what frequency they are on
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Here's a trip to wal-mart I made with my drone
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Cool video. Great song choice!
 
Re: Texas Sheriff’s Office May Be Getting a Drone

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But then you have to deal with 100 jackbooted thugs kicking in everyone's door within a sq. mile of the crash doing a Patriot Act inspired warrant-less search.</div></div>
Eating an breathing have consequences also.
Aaron Tippin did a song that many were living by, long before it was out.
 
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I think everyone is jumping to conclusions about these drones. The context used appears to be use for possible SWAT call outs or Raids. This sounds like more of a surveillance or use of force for officer safety, not to record some naked girl tanning in the back yard. I don't think these drones will just be cruising the sky because they can. Anyway, right or wrong that's the way I interpreted it.