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Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

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So I decided to take the plunge and get a Savage Palma for F/TR matches. I've never shot greater than 200 yards or owned anything bigger than my Savage .243 I got when I was 14 haha. I did some initial 100yd tests with Berger 155 Hybrids and Varget but wasn't thrilled with my results (not to mention my inexpensive Hawke SW Tactical scope I borrowed from my PCP airrifle had severe parallax issues!!)

Well I quickly swapped to a NF NXS 8-32x56 NP-R1 1/8 MOA

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and decided to change directions using the 168 Hybrid and Alliant 2000MR. I performed a broad OCW test that didn't show anything earth-shattering. My best group was 1.5", 3 rounds at 250, but I wasn't too excited with it. The 2000MR velocity increase people speak about is real, as seen with my best load/group of the day.

Before I go further, I wanted to show the difference in just using a Whidden pointing die, and using it with the MCR Meplat trimmer. My routine is to point, trim, bevel, and repoint. The end result looks much more consistent though the point isn't as fine by pointing alone (should've left one unpointed for a better comparison but oh well)

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I came up with these steps between the two OCW tests, and that probably added to the results I ended up with today. I started with 48.9 gr of 2000MR, increasing by 0.3gr to 50.1 (my first test I went up to 50.5 without any alarming pressure signs, but knew I didn't want to go quite that high again)

Groups were shot at 250yds, with a 15mph crosswind from 9/10 o'clock

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I started to think I was onto something at 49.2;

Berger 168 Hybrid (0.015 jump)/New Lapua Brass/CCI BR2 Primers (all charge weights)
1.2982
2.2969
3.2972
4.2972
5.2980
ES: 13, SD: 5.6

at 49.5, 4 of the 5 had an ES of 4fps, groups were still around the 2" range however.

I wasn't expecting things to improve drastically, and the numbers didn't in consistency. But 168s moving at 3050 fps without even the lightest ejector mark makes me warm and fuzzy inside haha!

50.1gr 2000MR
1.3042
2.3023
3.3045
4.3041
5.3058
ES: 25, SD: 12.1

the group, however, was much better than anything I'd had up to the point

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0.9" at 250yds... may not be earth-shattering either but for a newb to all things long range and reloading I'm pretty excited with what I ended up with. I did use some loads with once fired brass with .001 neck tension, and realized the new more snug .002 brass gave me better accuracy. Enough cannot be said for Savage and the their quality, which I learned early on with my .243 that shot very well. Well hopefully I kept that short and sweet enough, thanks for reading!
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

1 inch at 250 is pretty damn good.
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

1 inch at 250 yards with a 15 mph cross wind is terrific! Nice shooting.
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

Thanks! I just hope the info helps someone like me who googled 168 Hybrid and 2000MR for 2 weeks haha! I'm concerned about the "true" distance (260 or 240 or if its actually 250 like they advertise) and my adjustments to get to 600 since I wont have that kind of distance to practice with before the match this weekend..
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

Very nice shooting. Those Savages Palma's and F-class rifles are an amazing value for the money.Your probably not far off from winning a match!
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

That they are! And I definitely would not go that far... I've never tried to read wind!! (most likely an issue here in Oklahoma) Lol, and the mirage at 250 in 80F was very new and difficult. I had to dial back the scope to 24x to be comfortable. I know most people try to fire off their rounds as quick as possible but I think I'll be cutting it close at 20 minutes... I think slow and patient is my best route to be accurate at this stage (and its a single shot). I'm already thinking about next year and possibly building Savage SA repeater in 6.5 Super LR. Recoil is an issue for me being 6'3 and only 165lbs. I'm sure someone will get a laugh at me shooting as I feel I'm coming completely "unhinged" from the rifle with every shot off a bench lol
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

i noticed your recoil pad is canted even though your shooting off the bench. As i understand most people use canted recoil pads when shooting from kneeling or offhand positions. What made you want to cant your stock from the bench ? is that common?
 
Re: Savage Palma/Berger 168 Hybrid/Alliant 2000MR

When I was first deciding the exact location for the scope, I adjusted the pad quite a bit and it seemed more comfortable in the prone position, and made the most surface contact... Since you bring it up I'll get down behind the rifle tonight and revisit the feel... All my shooting has been off the bench so far, and I need to practice getting behind it in prone. Thanks!