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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you must realize the book speaks on 'averages' across the spectrum of americans. sort of like how they say the average american has 2.4 kids.
lets face it, there are enough federal state and local laws that makes nearly any average american a criminal. sell gas to cheap? jail time in wisconsin. forget to change your address on a drivers license? jail could be your penalty. milk seller without a USDA label on the milk? felon.
etc etc ad infinitum
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You're reinforcing my point.
The entire use of the term "Average" is misleading and technically unfounded. I can think of no one I know or I have ever known who has been remotely close to being in violation of any of the obscure laws cited in the book, much less anyone who has been prosecuted for them.
Do you know anyone who fits the bill?
If so, are they exception or the rule?
I'm not disputing that there are some nit-picky and obscure laws on the books. I'm just refusing to believe the premise that the average person violates about three of them every day.
It's an absurd notion.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you must realize the book speaks on 'averages' across the spectrum of americans. sort of like how they say the average american has 2.4 kids.
lets face it, there are enough federal state and local laws that makes nearly any average american a criminal. sell gas to cheap? jail time in wisconsin. forget to change your address on a drivers license? jail could be your penalty. milk seller without a USDA label on the milk? felon.
etc etc ad infinitum
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You're reinforcing my point.
The entire use of the term "Average" is misleading and technically unfounded. I can think of no one I know or I have ever known who has been remotely close to being in violation of any of the obscure laws cited in the book, much less anyone who has been prosecuted for them.
Do you know anyone who fits the bill?
If so, are they exception or the rule?
I'm not disputing that there are some nit-picky and obscure laws on the books. I'm just refusing to believe the premise that the average person violates about three of them every day.
It's an absurd notion.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't think he is in it to get rich, I'm sure he makes a little but if he was a fraud he would have slipped up by now, rather he has been consistent through out regarding the hunting debate and gun rights in general. </div></div>
He has slipped up at least twice in recent years. Once in California and again with this incident in Alaska. Not only did he violate published game laws, but he filmed the violations and aired them on his TV show.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't think he is in it to get rich, I'm sure he makes a little but if he was a fraud he would have slipped up by now, rather he has been consistent through out regarding the hunting debate and gun rights in general. </div></div>
He has slipped up at least twice in recent years. Once in California and again with this incident in Alaska. Not only did he violate published game laws, but he filmed the violations and aired them on his TV show.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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No, I'm referring to slipping up as in letting us know he really doesn't care about hunting or gun rights and is only in it for the money.
Personally, I have read multiple articles on both of his hunting faux-pas, I feel like I have heard both sides and I fail to see what the big deal is. I really think he is getting the shaft in AK. The CA incident is a little harder to explain away but still not a reason to abandon the guy.
As someone who was pretty involved in outdoor television, on a national level, I can tell you Teds deals aren't the first, certainly not the worst and far from the last. I've been on hunts with people you'd know that made me cringe and that takes a lot. He's just easy to spot.
No, I'm referring to slipping up as in letting us know he really doesn't care about hunting or gun rights and is only in it for the money.
Personally, I have read multiple articles on both of his hunting faux-pas, I feel like I have heard both sides and I fail to see what the big deal is. I really think he is getting the shaft in AK. The CA incident is a little harder to explain away but still not a reason to abandon the guy.
As someone who was pretty involved in outdoor television, on a national level, I can tell you Teds deals aren't the first, certainly not the worst and far from the last. I've been on hunts with people you'd know that made me cringe and that takes a lot. He's just easy to spot.
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You can't put yourself in the spotlight and then complain about how hot it gets when it shows a flaw.
You can't put yourself in the spotlight and then complain about how hot it gets when it shows a flaw.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Do you know anyone who fits the bill?
If so, are they exception or the rule?
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it is my understanding that there is over 76K pages of law in the federal register and they cant even count the number of federal crimes. add to this who knows how many state and local laws. and i can guarantee there isnt a person in this country that hasnt violated an IRS code. i recently heard of an activist who refused to pay a bike tax. (bike as in pedal bike, not motorcycle) was cited, went to register the bike and pay the tax and the assessors office didnt even know how to register or collect said tax. or of course the kids being cited for operating a business without a license with their lemonade stands or people having 1 to many yard sales a year and being charged with operating businesses without licenses, improper zoning, tax evasion, etc. sure, maybe not misdemeanors, but like anything, you do it enough, you can face more than a year in jail.
do i know of gas station owners who got into legal trouble for selling gas to cheap after said state passed a law that said you cant sell gas for less than what you pay for it? yes, they were about 1 mile up the road from the service station owned by my family. in fact, i've had loose acquaintances with people who sold gas for 'to much,' therefore violating a 'price gouging' statute. do i know of raw milk sellers who have been arrested and charged with felonies? yes, in fact, i may or may not have been a customer.
if you want to get caught up on one word, 'average' and argue semantics, thats fine. you understand my point and i actually think you probably agree with it.
i havent actually read the book, but i've seen the guy on a few talk shows. im not quoting his work verbatim, i am merely attempting to illustrate a point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Do you know anyone who fits the bill?
If so, are they exception or the rule?
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it is my understanding that there is over 76K pages of law in the federal register and they cant even count the number of federal crimes. add to this who knows how many state and local laws. and i can guarantee there isnt a person in this country that hasnt violated an IRS code. i recently heard of an activist who refused to pay a bike tax. (bike as in pedal bike, not motorcycle) was cited, went to register the bike and pay the tax and the assessors office didnt even know how to register or collect said tax. or of course the kids being cited for operating a business without a license with their lemonade stands or people having 1 to many yard sales a year and being charged with operating businesses without licenses, improper zoning, tax evasion, etc. sure, maybe not misdemeanors, but like anything, you do it enough, you can face more than a year in jail.
do i know of gas station owners who got into legal trouble for selling gas to cheap after said state passed a law that said you cant sell gas for less than what you pay for it? yes, they were about 1 mile up the road from the service station owned by my family. in fact, i've had loose acquaintances with people who sold gas for 'to much,' therefore violating a 'price gouging' statute. do i know of raw milk sellers who have been arrested and charged with felonies? yes, in fact, i may or may not have been a customer.
if you want to get caught up on one word, 'average' and argue semantics, thats fine. you understand my point and i actually think you probably agree with it.
i havent actually read the book, but i've seen the guy on a few talk shows. im not quoting his work verbatim, i am merely attempting to illustrate a point.
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Again, you are quoting obscure exceptions, not averages. Would operating a lemonade stand without a license or omitting something on one's tax return be a felony?
Again, you are quoting obscure exceptions, not averages. Would operating a lemonade stand without a license or omitting something on one's tax return be a felony?
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i believe i answered the felony/lemonade stand in my last post, by saying, that is not a felony, however there are plenty of people who are in jail currently for tax 'crimes.' plenty do more than 1 year....which i believe is the minimum to be classified as a 'felon.'
semantics semantics semantics.
i stopped splitting hairs years ago
i believe i answered the felony/lemonade stand in my last post, by saying, that is not a felony, however there are plenty of people who are in jail currently for tax 'crimes.' plenty do more than 1 year....which i believe is the minimum to be classified as a 'felon.'
semantics semantics semantics.
i stopped splitting hairs years ago
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The problem with Ted is he caters to his audience and is a bad stereotype to everyone else.
The anti-hunters, anti-gunners couldn't invent a better poster child for their campaigns.
I personally wish he would stfu and quit being an attention whore.
The problem with Ted is he caters to his audience and is a bad stereotype to everyone else.
The anti-hunters, anti-gunners couldn't invent a better poster child for their campaigns.
I personally wish he would stfu and quit being an attention whore.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ps I hope none of you bought any of Glenn Becks gold
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aint that no shit... wish I wouldn't have listed to him about 8 years ago when the price was about 500 oz. compared to todays price!!! could of doubled down... I see you bought into the goldline hoax investigation like all the lefties... Let us not forget who started this investigation,
but the WEINER himself, what a joke.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ps I hope none of you bought any of Glenn Becks gold
aint that no shit... wish I wouldn't have listed to him about 8 years ago when the price was about 500 oz. compared to todays price!!! could of doubled down... I see you bought into the goldline hoax investigation like all the lefties... Let us not forget who started this investigation,
but the WEINER himself, what a joke.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think America needs more people like Uncle Ted. </div></div>
AGREE...
this guy does more and donates more in a year than any of us make, to organizations that allow us to continue with the "Hunting" and "Shooting" we love... while I don't like seeing animals stuck in guts or ass with a serrated stinger, sometimes it happens... @ least he has the balls to say what most don't, and has the ability to get everyone in the U.S. to hear it... plain and simply, I'm glad he's on my side, that's for damn sure... who else would you rather listen to, ed shultz??? </div></div>
Well said
Go Uncle Ted,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think America needs more people like Uncle Ted. </div></div>
AGREE...
this guy does more and donates more in a year than any of us make, to organizations that allow us to continue with the "Hunting" and "Shooting" we love... while I don't like seeing animals stuck in guts or ass with a serrated stinger, sometimes it happens... @ least he has the balls to say what most don't, and has the ability to get everyone in the U.S. to hear it... plain and simply, I'm glad he's on my side, that's for damn sure... who else would you rather listen to, ed shultz??? </div></div>
Well said
Go Uncle Ted,
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
+100
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunting is like driving. If a cop follows you for five miles at some point he is going to find a reason to pull you over if that's his goal. No matter how ethically or morally pure we think we are at some point we all break the law.
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Agree 100% Its strange how it all comes out now after those silly NRA comments. Lets just do what the hunters did to us in the late 80S and turn on em . What right do they have to hunt? Just like alot of them asked why I needed more than a 10 round mag.
We keep buying into this crap and wonder why we are losing are rights. Lets stand together and say yeah Ted made a mistake but lets hear his side of the story first. Instead of arm chair quarterbacking.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
+100
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunting is like driving. If a cop follows you for five miles at some point he is going to find a reason to pull you over if that's his goal. No matter how ethically or morally pure we think we are at some point we all break the law.
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Agree 100% Its strange how it all comes out now after those silly NRA comments. Lets just do what the hunters did to us in the late 80S and turn on em . What right do they have to hunt? Just like alot of them asked why I needed more than a 10 round mag.
We keep buying into this crap and wonder why we are losing are rights. Lets stand together and say yeah Ted made a mistake but lets hear his side of the story first. Instead of arm chair quarterbacking.
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I agree
I am in Ted's corner. Today, people in the public spotlight are too damned afraid to say anything that goes against the popular public opinion. I like his no nonsense (if sometimes over the top) attitude. He means what he says he says what he means. Too few of this today, IMO. Though, I have to be honest, the draft dodging thing knocks him down a few pegs. I like to think if he had an opportunity to change this he would. Everybody makes mistakes.
I agree
I am in Ted's corner. Today, people in the public spotlight are too damned afraid to say anything that goes against the popular public opinion. I like his no nonsense (if sometimes over the top) attitude. He means what he says he says what he means. Too few of this today, IMO. Though, I have to be honest, the draft dodging thing knocks him down a few pegs. I like to think if he had an opportunity to change this he would. Everybody makes mistakes.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem with Ted is he caters to his audience and is a bad stereotype to everyone else.
The anti-hunters, anti-gunners couldn't invent a better poster child for their campaigns.
I personally wish he would stfu and quit being an attention whore. </div></div>
That sums up my opinion in <span style="text-decoration: line-through">second line</span> all. Granted there are plenty of things I am frustrated about in law. None of them are to my advantage in the Ted Nugent mechanism. So label me as self-centered.
case: There is a way to approach a broad audience to make a point. This is an example on not how to accomplish this goal;
- Use relevant terms
- You point should be within your words without attack on others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
His CCW will put a end to this nonsense.
Ha ha.
Case:
Ted distorts the situation in common attack on political figure:
- Ted is LEO
- Ted is common man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMoq3t6zVNo
here is your guy on stage. I could not find the local summerfest episode kicking black rifle and jesting cheers to "load them up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI
I left out the recent expolits as they should be known to topic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem with Ted is he caters to his audience and is a bad stereotype to everyone else.
The anti-hunters, anti-gunners couldn't invent a better poster child for their campaigns.
I personally wish he would stfu and quit being an attention whore. </div></div>
That sums up my opinion in <span style="text-decoration: line-through">second line</span> all. Granted there are plenty of things I am frustrated about in law. None of them are to my advantage in the Ted Nugent mechanism. So label me as self-centered.
case: There is a way to approach a broad audience to make a point. This is an example on not how to accomplish this goal;
- Use relevant terms
- You point should be within your words without attack on others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
His CCW will put a end to this nonsense.
Ha ha.
Case:
Ted distorts the situation in common attack on political figure:
- Ted is LEO
- Ted is common man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMoq3t6zVNo
here is your guy on stage. I could not find the local summerfest episode kicking black rifle and jesting cheers to "load them up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI
I left out the recent expolits as they should be known to topic.
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Ted is a fucking rockstar
A very successful one as well
He lives his dream and says what he damn well pleases
Just so happens that much of what he says I agree with
He may not say it in the way most of us would, but what he says is heard by much of America and what most of us say is heard by almost no one
Kinda begs the question on who is the dumb-ass...
Ted is a fucking rockstar
A very successful one as well
He lives his dream and says what he damn well pleases
Just so happens that much of what he says I agree with
He may not say it in the way most of us would, but what he says is heard by much of America and what most of us say is heard by almost no one
Kinda begs the question on who is the dumb-ass...
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Boom he has a 1st amend right to say what he likes or would you like that stripped along with the 2nd amend? And what "broad audience" are you bowing to? This isn't a poll man you either have a 1st and 2nd amendment or you don't? Jeesh c'mon youll never please the anti crowd and please the broad masses by attacking teds freedom to speak ?
Boom I disagree completely with your premise!!!! All people with your appeasement mentality think that is the best route to getting along with anti minded folk. Why do you care what they think? That's just NEVER been successful. In your face politics works, take the civil rights movement, or the gay culture that is now acceptable all across America through years of animated in your face style advocates . Suggesting Ted , just stfu and hoping appeasement will work won't work,it leads to the what do you need that gun for it's not for hunting etc etc,.... Disagree strongly with the anti gun people and say it loud and proud to their face. Just my observation of what works and what doesn't . Until they respect my 2a individual rights to keep and bear I won't join them in attacking one of our own .
Attention whore or not Ted rocks
Boom he has a 1st amend right to say what he likes or would you like that stripped along with the 2nd amend? And what "broad audience" are you bowing to? This isn't a poll man you either have a 1st and 2nd amendment or you don't? Jeesh c'mon youll never please the anti crowd and please the broad masses by attacking teds freedom to speak ?
Boom I disagree completely with your premise!!!! All people with your appeasement mentality think that is the best route to getting along with anti minded folk. Why do you care what they think? That's just NEVER been successful. In your face politics works, take the civil rights movement, or the gay culture that is now acceptable all across America through years of animated in your face style advocates . Suggesting Ted , just stfu and hoping appeasement will work won't work,it leads to the what do you need that gun for it's not for hunting etc etc,.... Disagree strongly with the anti gun people and say it loud and proud to their face. Just my observation of what works and what doesn't . Until they respect my 2a individual rights to keep and bear I won't join them in attacking one of our own .
Attention whore or not Ted rocks
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hang-fire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ted is a fucking rockstar
Kinda begs the question on who is the dumb-ass...
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I'll place the dunce hat on head.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He may not say it in the way most of us would, but what he says is heard by much of America and what most of us say is heard by almost no one</div></div>
What is heard or what is your attribute to the Ted cause? A hunting edict argued? State law on firearms? Federal infractions? CCW limitations? NFA in ‘34 or ’85? How is that voice advantageous?
What are YOU lacking in state or federal limitations?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hang-fire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ted is a fucking rockstar
Kinda begs the question on who is the dumb-ass...
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I'll place the dunce hat on head.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He may not say it in the way most of us would, but what he says is heard by much of America and what most of us say is heard by almost no one</div></div>
What is heard or what is your attribute to the Ted cause? A hunting edict argued? State law on firearms? Federal infractions? CCW limitations? NFA in ‘34 or ’85? How is that voice advantageous?
What are YOU lacking in state or federal limitations?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boom he has a 1st amend right to say what he likes or would you like that stripped along with the 2nd amend? And what "broad audience" are you bowing to? This isn't a poll man you either have a 1st and 2nd amendment or you don't? Jeesh c'mon youll never please the anti crowd and please the broad masses by attacking teds freedom to speak ?
Boom I disagree completely with your premise!!!! All people with your appeasement mentality think that is the best route to getting along with anti minded folk. Why do you care what they think? That's just NEVER been successful. In your face politics works, take the civil rights movement, or the gay culture that is now acceptable all across America through years of animated in your face style advocates . Suggesting Ted , just stfu and hoping appeasement will work won't work,it leads to the what do you need that gun for it's not for hunting etc etc,.... Disagree strongly with the anti gun people and say it loud and proud to their face. Just my observation of what works and what doesn't . Until they respect my 2a individual rights to keep and bear I won't join them in attacking one of our own .
Attention whore or not Ted rocks </div></div>
There is no poll and obviously no objections to Ted speaking, its the message.
Gay culture?
To my previous post I can add history.
"In your face politics works,"
For what means for firearms? Giving what loud and proud?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boom he has a 1st amend right to say what he likes or would you like that stripped along with the 2nd amend? And what "broad audience" are you bowing to? This isn't a poll man you either have a 1st and 2nd amendment or you don't? Jeesh c'mon youll never please the anti crowd and please the broad masses by attacking teds freedom to speak ?
Boom I disagree completely with your premise!!!! All people with your appeasement mentality think that is the best route to getting along with anti minded folk. Why do you care what they think? That's just NEVER been successful. In your face politics works, take the civil rights movement, or the gay culture that is now acceptable all across America through years of animated in your face style advocates . Suggesting Ted , just stfu and hoping appeasement will work won't work,it leads to the what do you need that gun for it's not for hunting etc etc,.... Disagree strongly with the anti gun people and say it loud and proud to their face. Just my observation of what works and what doesn't . Until they respect my 2a individual rights to keep and bear I won't join them in attacking one of our own .
Attention whore or not Ted rocks </div></div>
There is no poll and obviously no objections to Ted speaking, its the message.
Gay culture?
To my previous post I can add history.
"In your face politics works,"
For what means for firearms? Giving what loud and proud?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ps I hope none of you bought any of Glenn Becks gold . </div></div>
aint that no shit... wish I wouldn't have listed to him about 8 years ago when the price was about 500 oz. compared to todays price!!! could of doubled down... I see you bought into the goldline hoax investigation like all the lefties... Let us not forget who started this investigation,
but the WEINER himself, what a joke.
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It didn't take a rocket scientist to say that gold would be a good investment post 2008. I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?
So that his audience would be able to weather the tough times?
If you'd bought gold at fair market prices then yes, you would've made some money.
Beck was pushing Goldline because everyone with assets was looking for a safe place to stash what was left of their holdings. Gold has historically been a safe bet, so Beck nudged his audience who were already panicked towards Goldline as a "trusted vendor".
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession.
I guess Goldline refunded the 4.5 million to their customers as a thank you for posting pictures mocking Weiner on the internet, not because they were selling gold francs that were only 90% gold for premium bullion prices.
You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ps I hope none of you bought any of Glenn Becks gold
aint that no shit... wish I wouldn't have listed to him about 8 years ago when the price was about 500 oz. compared to todays price!!! could of doubled down... I see you bought into the goldline hoax investigation like all the lefties... Let us not forget who started this investigation,
but the WEINER himself, what a joke.
It didn't take a rocket scientist to say that gold would be a good investment post 2008. I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?
So that his audience would be able to weather the tough times?
If you'd bought gold at fair market prices then yes, you would've made some money.
Beck was pushing Goldline because everyone with assets was looking for a safe place to stash what was left of their holdings. Gold has historically been a safe bet, so Beck nudged his audience who were already panicked towards Goldline as a "trusted vendor".
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession.
I guess Goldline refunded the 4.5 million to their customers as a thank you for posting pictures mocking Weiner on the internet, not because they were selling gold francs that were only 90% gold for premium bullion prices.
You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't think he is in it to get rich, I'm sure he makes a little but if he was a fraud he would have slipped up by now, rather he has been consistent through out regarding the hunting debate and gun rights in general. </div></div>
He has slipped up at least twice in recent years. Once in California and again with this incident in Alaska. Not only did he violate published game laws, but he filmed the violations and aired them on his TV show.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. </div></div>
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. You sure took that down in a hurry after I "liked" it. Along with a couple of other pics of you sitting in front of Twin Lakes Outfitters. You trying to backpeddle a bit Elmer?
Oh, and nice pics here, but the one with my black pal is missing the caption from the one you PM'd to me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't think he is in it to get rich, I'm sure he makes a little but if he was a fraud he would have slipped up by now, rather he has been consistent through out regarding the hunting debate and gun rights in general. </div></div>
He has slipped up at least twice in recent years. Once in California and again with this incident in Alaska. Not only did he violate published game laws, but he filmed the violations and aired them on his TV show.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. </div></div>
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. You sure took that down in a hurry after I "liked" it. Along with a couple of other pics of you sitting in front of Twin Lakes Outfitters. You trying to backpeddle a bit Elmer?
Oh, and nice pics here, but the one with my black pal is missing the caption from the one you PM'd to me.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?</div></div>
what does it matter? sounds like your not gonna buy it, benevolent or not, its the consumers choice, why are you so concerned with me/us purchasing Becks gold??? I didn't lose 1 cent, but gained many.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession. </div></div>
BUT... BUT... really from a wiki link??? if Beck would of ousted 5 million in fraudulent gold from his audience... BECK would no longer have an audience, regardless.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
</div></div>
lets just keep it simple, do YOU understand that every show has to have sponsors? or there is no longer a show.
Its odd to me, how you jelly spined middle men, won't mention who you DO support.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?</div></div>
what does it matter? sounds like your not gonna buy it, benevolent or not, its the consumers choice, why are you so concerned with me/us purchasing Becks gold??? I didn't lose 1 cent, but gained many.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession. </div></div>
BUT... BUT... really from a wiki link??? if Beck would of ousted 5 million in fraudulent gold from his audience... BECK would no longer have an audience, regardless.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
</div></div>
lets just keep it simple, do YOU understand that every show has to have sponsors? or there is no longer a show.
Its odd to me, how you jelly spined middle men, won't mention who you DO support.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
For me the bottom line is, in a world where 90% of celebrities (who's opinions shouldn't matter anyway) are vocally and actively rabidly anti-second amendment (probably at great personal gain) Ted Nugent stands on the side of right (unless you don't agree with the 2nd) and isn't afraid to let you know it.
I really don't think he makes a great deal of money off his view points but you know what, if he is helping our cause and as a side benefit gets rich good for him. Sounds like a win-win to me. The second someone can prove to me (with real evidence, not bullshit hearsay or convoluted, around your asshole to get to your elbow examples) that Ted is only in it for the money and doesn't give two shits about hunting and gun rights I'll be his biggest detractor.
And hunting a deer with illegal bait near-by or shooting a second bear when you're pretty sure you didn't hit the first doesn't count.
For me the bottom line is, in a world where 90% of celebrities (who's opinions shouldn't matter anyway) are vocally and actively rabidly anti-second amendment (probably at great personal gain) Ted Nugent stands on the side of right (unless you don't agree with the 2nd) and isn't afraid to let you know it.
I really don't think he makes a great deal of money off his view points but you know what, if he is helping our cause and as a side benefit gets rich good for him. Sounds like a win-win to me. The second someone can prove to me (with real evidence, not bullshit hearsay or convoluted, around your asshole to get to your elbow examples) that Ted is only in it for the money and doesn't give two shits about hunting and gun rights I'll be his biggest detractor.
And hunting a deer with illegal bait near-by or shooting a second bear when you're pretty sure you didn't hit the first doesn't count.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
Boom I can probably save us some time in this discussion by 1st figuring out what you think the 2nd amendment means and says?
Question? In your own words 1) Who does the 2A right belong to in your opinion? (you might want to see the Heller decision before you answer)
2nd question? What limitations does the Constitution place on the 2A right of the people?
3rd What limitations would you personally allow the ANTIS to place on your 2A right if the Constitution lists no such limitations on the 2A, which it doesnt?
My opinion is the 2A right "AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW WHICH IS REALITY" is it is an individual's right to keep and bear arms. And there are no listed restrictions to that right, nor any PURPOSE test for what arms can be "kept and beared". The Heller opinion I believe correctly calls it an individual right but erroneously by being silent implies the right is limited to handguns in the home in that case.
The only actual legal way to change the 2A is by ANOTHER AMENDMENT to repeal it, the process is right there, but the ANTIS ignore it because its impossible to pass right now by 2/3rds of the States. ANTIS choose to impose change unconstitutionally case by case in the Courts by ignoring the 2A and what it actually says and means. Swaying opinions through public opinion polls. Justifying laws by saying the polls support it damn the Constitution. And your suggestion we should not argue be polite and we shall overcome instead of arguing as strongly and as ugly as Ted does is just nieve on your part. The appeasement attitude sickens me and I dont understand your ignorance of the reality of the whole 2A history and current day arguments. Once you agree to sit down peacefully with ANTIS to discuss how we can set reasonable restrictions etc, guns for hunting only, gun possession for home defense only , no machine guns who needs em right , etc, you have missed the point given up your right and completely ignored your own Constitution. All the compromise attempts may make some logical sense to some people but are in Direct opposition of the 2A as it is written.
Which is why until people actually read it and apply it in the Courts and in our daily lives we will continue to play this game that it doesnt say what it says and we can compromise with reasonable regulation and laws its all BS.
The 2A right is not limited by the Constitution whatsoever. Thats the cold hard truth. BB guns to Rail guns they are all ARMS arent they? If the ANTIS wish to ignore the plain language and enact all these gun laws that seem reasonable to them, and you want to debate them and try to convince them you go ahead.
I like Teds approach because its "real" not fantasy land, and he is honest. the only honest process is Either the Antis 1st Amend the 2A through the Const. or just stfu because the other ways /attempts are all unconstitutional without Amending the 2A first.
Boom I can probably save us some time in this discussion by 1st figuring out what you think the 2nd amendment means and says?
Question? In your own words 1) Who does the 2A right belong to in your opinion? (you might want to see the Heller decision before you answer)
2nd question? What limitations does the Constitution place on the 2A right of the people?
3rd What limitations would you personally allow the ANTIS to place on your 2A right if the Constitution lists no such limitations on the 2A, which it doesnt?
My opinion is the 2A right "AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW WHICH IS REALITY" is it is an individual's right to keep and bear arms. And there are no listed restrictions to that right, nor any PURPOSE test for what arms can be "kept and beared". The Heller opinion I believe correctly calls it an individual right but erroneously by being silent implies the right is limited to handguns in the home in that case.
The only actual legal way to change the 2A is by ANOTHER AMENDMENT to repeal it, the process is right there, but the ANTIS ignore it because its impossible to pass right now by 2/3rds of the States. ANTIS choose to impose change unconstitutionally case by case in the Courts by ignoring the 2A and what it actually says and means. Swaying opinions through public opinion polls. Justifying laws by saying the polls support it damn the Constitution. And your suggestion we should not argue be polite and we shall overcome instead of arguing as strongly and as ugly as Ted does is just nieve on your part. The appeasement attitude sickens me and I dont understand your ignorance of the reality of the whole 2A history and current day arguments. Once you agree to sit down peacefully with ANTIS to discuss how we can set reasonable restrictions etc, guns for hunting only, gun possession for home defense only , no machine guns who needs em right , etc, you have missed the point given up your right and completely ignored your own Constitution. All the compromise attempts may make some logical sense to some people but are in Direct opposition of the 2A as it is written.
Which is why until people actually read it and apply it in the Courts and in our daily lives we will continue to play this game that it doesnt say what it says and we can compromise with reasonable regulation and laws its all BS.
The 2A right is not limited by the Constitution whatsoever. Thats the cold hard truth. BB guns to Rail guns they are all ARMS arent they? If the ANTIS wish to ignore the plain language and enact all these gun laws that seem reasonable to them, and you want to debate them and try to convince them you go ahead.
I like Teds approach because its "real" not fantasy land, and he is honest. the only honest process is Either the Antis 1st Amend the 2A through the Const. or just stfu because the other ways /attempts are all unconstitutional without Amending the 2A first.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boom I can probably save us some time in this discussion by 1st figuring out what you think the 2nd amendment means and says?
Question? In your own words 1) Who does the 2A right belong to in your opinion? (you might want to see the Heller decision before you answer)
2nd question? What limitations does the Constitution place on the 2A right of the people?
3rd What limitations would you personally allow the ANTIS to place on your 2A right if the Constitution lists no such limitations on the 2A, which it doesnt?
My opinion is the 2A right "AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW WHICH IS REALITY" is it is an individual's right to keep and bear arms. And there are no listed restrictions to that right, nor any PURPOSE test for what arms can be "kept and beared". The Heller opinion I believe correctly calls it an individual right but erroneously by being silent implies the right is limited to handguns in the home in that case.
The only actual legal way to change the 2A is by ANOTHER AMENDMENT to repeal it, the process is right there, but the ANTIS ignore it because its impossible to pass right now by 2/3rds of the States. ANTIS choose to impose change unconstitutionally case by case in the Courts by ignoring the 2A and what it actually says and means. Swaying opinions through public opinion polls. Justifying laws by saying the polls support it damn the Constitution. And your suggestion we should not argue be polite and we shall overcome instead of arguing as strongly and as ugly as Ted does is just nieve on your part. The appeasement attitude sickens me and I dont understand your ignorance of the reality of the whole 2A history and current day arguments. Once you agree to sit down peacefully with ANTIS to discuss how we can set reasonable restrictions etc, guns for hunting only, gun possession for home defense only , no machine guns who needs em right , etc, you have missed the point given up your right and completely ignored your own Constitution. All the compromise attempts may make some logical sense to some people but are in Direct opposition of the 2A as it is written.
Which is why until people actually read it and apply it in the Courts and in our daily lives we will continue to play this game that it doesnt say what it says and we can compromise with reasonable regulation and laws its all BS.
The 2A right is not limited by the Constitution whatsoever. Thats the cold hard truth. BB guns to Rail guns they are all ARMS arent they? If the ANTIS wish to ignore the plain language and enact all these gun laws that seem reasonable to them, and you want to debate them and try to convince them you go ahead.
I like Teds approach because its "real" not fantasy land, and he is honest. the only honest process is Either the Antis 1st Amend the 2A through the Const. or just stfu because the other ways /attempts are all unconstitutional without Amending the 2A first. </div></div>
I don’t like Ted Nugent so therefore I do not rightfully support the 2nd amendment? Your going off on some freedom tangent and separating those who are not giving you a OH HELL YEAH. I see a connection. LETS LOAD UP SOME MAGS BROTHER!
I’ll save you some time.
I don’t have an adolescent US vs. THEM mentality. When a politician soaps boxes about an opponent I still concentrate on what the speaker will do or accomplish, not taking bait to the diversion. When person of political power makes a decision contrary to my beliefs, I do not consider them the root of the issue. I am more prone to look at my neighbors and the populous that put this person in a position of power. Ted being out there attracts a contingency of people facinated with such key words of action (at a distance). There are the folks who love it. I don't see a connection to those folks in audience pioneering the fight for 2nd ammendment rights. On the other hand, you have people who recognize a poor public speaker or someone better fit to rally a huddle before toilet papering a high school.
If Ted on a soapbox is your man, that’s your right. If you’re in with the audience that thinks these poorly construed random points of Founding Fathers and Nancy Pelosi is good 2nd amendment rhetoric; have at it.
To conclude:
There was no discussion on what exactly would be given to your evil ANTIs as appeasement. Certainly it is NOT an education or leadership by example. They only see a graying lunatic in a plaid shirt or a gun vest with a tone of violence. But you’ll be there, give a shout back to the man for me.
I think one can support the RKBA and still think Nugent is a toolbag. You don't need to go America all over my ass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boom I can probably save us some time in this discussion by 1st figuring out what you think the 2nd amendment means and says?
Question? In your own words 1) Who does the 2A right belong to in your opinion? (you might want to see the Heller decision before you answer)
2nd question? What limitations does the Constitution place on the 2A right of the people?
3rd What limitations would you personally allow the ANTIS to place on your 2A right if the Constitution lists no such limitations on the 2A, which it doesnt?
My opinion is the 2A right "AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW WHICH IS REALITY" is it is an individual's right to keep and bear arms. And there are no listed restrictions to that right, nor any PURPOSE test for what arms can be "kept and beared". The Heller opinion I believe correctly calls it an individual right but erroneously by being silent implies the right is limited to handguns in the home in that case.
The only actual legal way to change the 2A is by ANOTHER AMENDMENT to repeal it, the process is right there, but the ANTIS ignore it because its impossible to pass right now by 2/3rds of the States. ANTIS choose to impose change unconstitutionally case by case in the Courts by ignoring the 2A and what it actually says and means. Swaying opinions through public opinion polls. Justifying laws by saying the polls support it damn the Constitution. And your suggestion we should not argue be polite and we shall overcome instead of arguing as strongly and as ugly as Ted does is just nieve on your part. The appeasement attitude sickens me and I dont understand your ignorance of the reality of the whole 2A history and current day arguments. Once you agree to sit down peacefully with ANTIS to discuss how we can set reasonable restrictions etc, guns for hunting only, gun possession for home defense only , no machine guns who needs em right , etc, you have missed the point given up your right and completely ignored your own Constitution. All the compromise attempts may make some logical sense to some people but are in Direct opposition of the 2A as it is written.
Which is why until people actually read it and apply it in the Courts and in our daily lives we will continue to play this game that it doesnt say what it says and we can compromise with reasonable regulation and laws its all BS.
The 2A right is not limited by the Constitution whatsoever. Thats the cold hard truth. BB guns to Rail guns they are all ARMS arent they? If the ANTIS wish to ignore the plain language and enact all these gun laws that seem reasonable to them, and you want to debate them and try to convince them you go ahead.
I like Teds approach because its "real" not fantasy land, and he is honest. the only honest process is Either the Antis 1st Amend the 2A through the Const. or just stfu because the other ways /attempts are all unconstitutional without Amending the 2A first. </div></div>
I don’t like Ted Nugent so therefore I do not rightfully support the 2nd amendment? Your going off on some freedom tangent and separating those who are not giving you a OH HELL YEAH. I see a connection. LETS LOAD UP SOME MAGS BROTHER!
I’ll save you some time.
I don’t have an adolescent US vs. THEM mentality. When a politician soaps boxes about an opponent I still concentrate on what the speaker will do or accomplish, not taking bait to the diversion. When person of political power makes a decision contrary to my beliefs, I do not consider them the root of the issue. I am more prone to look at my neighbors and the populous that put this person in a position of power. Ted being out there attracts a contingency of people facinated with such key words of action (at a distance). There are the folks who love it. I don't see a connection to those folks in audience pioneering the fight for 2nd ammendment rights. On the other hand, you have people who recognize a poor public speaker or someone better fit to rally a huddle before toilet papering a high school.
If Ted on a soapbox is your man, that’s your right. If you’re in with the audience that thinks these poorly construed random points of Founding Fathers and Nancy Pelosi is good 2nd amendment rhetoric; have at it.
To conclude:
There was no discussion on what exactly would be given to your evil ANTIs as appeasement. Certainly it is NOT an education or leadership by example. They only see a graying lunatic in a plaid shirt or a gun vest with a tone of violence. But you’ll be there, give a shout back to the man for me.
I think one can support the RKBA and still think Nugent is a toolbag. You don't need to go America all over my ass.
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See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it.
See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it. </div></div>
How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats? I do agree about the methods.. One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it. </div></div>
How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats? I do agree about the methods.. One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boomholzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it. </div></div>
How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats? I do agree about the methods.. One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment.</div></div>
I don't follow.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats?</div></div>
Well it seems the antis are choosing separation and threats, knowing full well education will get them no where. We are being separated as a gun owning community every time we turn around. Bolt action vs. semi auto, sporting shotguns vs. defensive shotguns, lead vs. steel, Ted Nugent vs. whatever. For Christ sake there are those among us who really think the NRA isn't on "our side." Really? I mean you can say "yeah I wish the would make better use of those funds" but at the end of the day do you really think the NRA isn't, as a whole, doing everything they can to promote pro 2nd laws? Yes I really wish they made zero concessions. But like Ted, at the end of the day they do far more good than bad.
Why exactly can't we all stand together?
Edit: If I missed the point of your first point. I don't propose changing the minds of 2/3rds of the states. I already agree with them. We don't need to make threats, separate or really even educate. What we need to do is to follow the god damn constitution. It's spelled out in black a white, clear as day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boomholzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See, I believe it does boil down to US vs. THEM. WE want our rights as given by God and defined, clearly, in the Constitution and to be left alone to make our on way through life. THEY want to impose their beliefs and the rights they believe we should have.
Who US and THEM are is a grey area and will probably have to be examined on an issue by issue basis.
This matter extends far beyond the 2nd. It's a complete and total disregard for the founding document of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. If you don't like it, get 2/3rds of the states to see things your way and change it.
I think that you can disagree with Teds methods but disagreeing with what he stands for makes you anti 2nd. Unless he is standing for something else and I completely missed it. </div></div>
How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats? I do agree about the methods.. One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing to consider is that Nugent is disliked by RKBA folks because of the our belief and support in the 2nd amendment.</div></div>
I don't follow.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you propose getting the population of these two-thirds states to agree with you.. Education or separation and threats?</div></div>
Well it seems the antis are choosing separation and threats, knowing full well education will get them no where. We are being separated as a gun owning community every time we turn around. Bolt action vs. semi auto, sporting shotguns vs. defensive shotguns, lead vs. steel, Ted Nugent vs. whatever. For Christ sake there are those among us who really think the NRA isn't on "our side." Really? I mean you can say "yeah I wish the would make better use of those funds" but at the end of the day do you really think the NRA isn't, as a whole, doing everything they can to promote pro 2nd laws? Yes I really wish they made zero concessions. But like Ted, at the end of the day they do far more good than bad.
Why exactly can't we all stand together?
Edit: If I missed the point of your first point. I don't propose changing the minds of 2/3rds of the states. I already agree with them. We don't need to make threats, separate or really even educate. What we need to do is to follow the god damn constitution. It's spelled out in black a white, clear as day.
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Boom didn't mean to disrespect you sorry if I did. I see your point I just disagree that there is room for compromise when the 2a says this
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Somehow leads to a man having to argue this http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf to the US Supreme Court for having a handgun in his own freaking home. Sure seems"them" can't read if this is the future they want for "us" freedom loving Americans.
Enjoy the read.
Boom didn't mean to disrespect you sorry if I did. I see your point I just disagree that there is room for compromise when the 2a says this
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Somehow leads to a man having to argue this http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf to the US Supreme Court for having a handgun in his own freaking home. Sure seems"them" can't read if this is the future they want for "us" freedom loving Americans.
Enjoy the read.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Thats freaking great
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thats freaking great
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
Here's a look @ the REAL Uncle Ted...NOTICE: no need for photoshoped pics, or bashing without knowing all the facts...
there is a reason this video has almost 1 million views, and the likes GREATLY outweigh the dislikes... we'll let the Nuge speak for himself.
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Here's a look @ the REAL Uncle Ted...NOTICE: no need for photoshoped pics, or bashing without knowing all the facts...
there is a reason this video has almost 1 million views, and the likes GREATLY outweigh the dislikes... we'll let the Nuge speak for himself.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/T_QjEL0uUgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a look @ the REAL Uncle Ted...NOTICE: no need for photoshoped pics, or bashing without knowing all the facts...
there is a reason this video has almost 1 million views, and the likes GREATLY outweigh the dislikes... we'll let the Nuge speak for himself.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/T_QjEL0uUgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div></div>
roger that brother
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a look @ the REAL Uncle Ted...NOTICE: no need for photoshoped pics, or bashing without knowing all the facts...
there is a reason this video has almost 1 million views, and the likes GREATLY outweigh the dislikes... we'll let the Nuge speak for himself.
<iframe width="960" height="720" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/T_QjEL0uUgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div></div>
roger that brother
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
Ol' Uncle Ted goes a little crazy in his morning show interview: CBS Morning News Clip. Watch it until the very end though. While I don't think a kidney stone has any neurological side effects, I love the fact that his wife knows his nature and tries to save his skin. Reminds me of my own wife.
I watch the guy and you can tell that he honestly gives a shit about things, but I think he's just not able to calmly conduct himself or control his mouth. He wants to say and do the right thing, but he's simply not very media savvy. And that's ok, it isn't in his job description to be the face of the 2nd Amendment movement or the GOP.
One thing is that he has to stop calling the military his blood brothers. Ted had a chance to make that happen and he chose to run away from us. I hate hearing him gush support now when years ago, when his "blood brothers" called to him, he popped smoke and ran. Maybe he's trying to cleanse a guilty soul, but he'll never understand what it's like to be in combat, to be a vet, to serve his country in uniform. Ted cannot undo what his draft-dodging did.
Ol' Uncle Ted goes a little crazy in his morning show interview: CBS Morning News Clip. Watch it until the very end though. While I don't think a kidney stone has any neurological side effects, I love the fact that his wife knows his nature and tries to save his skin. Reminds me of my own wife.
I watch the guy and you can tell that he honestly gives a shit about things, but I think he's just not able to calmly conduct himself or control his mouth. He wants to say and do the right thing, but he's simply not very media savvy. And that's ok, it isn't in his job description to be the face of the 2nd Amendment movement or the GOP.
One thing is that he has to stop calling the military his blood brothers. Ted had a chance to make that happen and he chose to run away from us. I hate hearing him gush support now when years ago, when his "blood brothers" called to him, he popped smoke and ran. Maybe he's trying to cleanse a guilty soul, but he'll never understand what it's like to be in combat, to be a vet, to serve his country in uniform. Ted cannot undo what his draft-dodging did.
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Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. </div></div>
Your village must be at a loss without its star idiot.
Go home.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. </div></div>
Your village must be at a loss without its star idiot.
Go home.
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Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I don't think a kidney stone has any neurological side effects, I love the fact that his wife knows his nature and tries to save his skin. </div></div>
In most cases, I would agree. But Ted has his head so far up his own ass that a full bladder could have the same effects as a tumor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I don't think a kidney stone has any neurological side effects, I love the fact that his wife knows his nature and tries to save his skin. </div></div>
In most cases, I would agree. But Ted has his head so far up his own ass that a full bladder could have the same effects as a tumor.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
How much of Teds behavior is simply an act at self promotion or playing to his particular audience? Is his NRA rant (I have not seen the whole thing) based on what he thought they wanted to hear?
I do have pretty good knowledge on the California thing and could not believe he or his staff was ignorant enough to have him shoot a spike and then use the footage for his show. I agree the baiting issue was a clusterfuck that could happen to anyone but any hunter has to know what is his legal game before he starts dropping a hammer or letting the string fly.
How much of Teds behavior is simply an act at self promotion or playing to his particular audience? Is his NRA rant (I have not seen the whole thing) based on what he thought they wanted to hear?
I do have pretty good knowledge on the California thing and could not believe he or his staff was ignorant enough to have him shoot a spike and then use the footage for his show. I agree the baiting issue was a clusterfuck that could happen to anyone but any hunter has to know what is his legal game before he starts dropping a hammer or letting the string fly.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. </div></div>
Your village must be at a loss without its star idiot.
Go home. </div></div>
Oooh, looks like I struck a nerve there Elmer. You must have had to fetch the playbook for that one.
Now you can go back under the bridge and pout some more about Ted.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What about the photo you posted of a Common Cormorant on the Meherrin River Ducks Unlimited Facebook page? It was eviscerated. </div></div>
Your village must be at a loss without its star idiot.
Go home. </div></div>
Oooh, looks like I struck a nerve there Elmer. You must have had to fetch the playbook for that one.
Now you can go back under the bridge and pout some more about Ted.
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It didn't take a rocket scientist to say that gold would be a good investment post 2008. I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?
So that his audience would be able to weather the tough times?
If you'd bought gold at fair market prices then yes, you would've made some money.
Beck was pushing Goldline because everyone with assets was looking for a safe place to stash what was left of their holdings. Gold has historically been a safe bet, so Beck nudged his audience who were already panicked towards Goldline as a "trusted vendor".
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession.
I guess Goldline refunded the 4.5 million to their customers as a thank you for posting pictures mocking Weiner on the internet, not because they were selling gold francs that were only 90% gold for premium bullion prices.
You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
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its interesting to note that peter schiff figured out what gold line was up to years ago. he brought it to the attention of glenn beck when they were at a conference together. ironically, schiff was never allowed back on beck's show. wonder why.
now the gold line fraud surfaced and schiff, as usual, was right all along
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It didn't take a rocket scientist to say that gold would be a good investment post 2008. I mean really, are you saying that Glenn Beck was promoting the purchasing of gold altruistically?
So that his audience would be able to weather the tough times?
If you'd bought gold at fair market prices then yes, you would've made some money.
Beck was pushing Goldline because everyone with assets was looking for a safe place to stash what was left of their holdings. Gold has historically been a safe bet, so Beck nudged his audience who were already panicked towards Goldline as a "trusted vendor".
But, if you bought gold from Goldlinethen you would've lost money as soon as you took possession.
I guess Goldline refunded the 4.5 million to their customers as a thank you for posting pictures mocking Weiner on the internet, not because they were selling gold francs that were only 90% gold for premium bullion prices.
You understand that there isn't a defined line between the commercial and the television program anymore, right?
That,very much like NASCAR, means everyone that gets in the spotlight has their masters, they just don't have to wear the patches on their outfits or have stickers on their cars.
That is the consumers job.
</div></div>
its interesting to note that peter schiff figured out what gold line was up to years ago. he brought it to the attention of glenn beck when they were at a conference together. ironically, schiff was never allowed back on beck's show. wonder why.
now the gold line fraud surfaced and schiff, as usual, was right all along
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think America needs more people like Uncle Ted. </div></div>
AGREE...
this guy does more and donates more in a year than any of us make, to organizations that allow us to continue with the "Hunting" and "Shooting" we love... while I don't like seeing animals stuck in guts or ass with a serrated stinger, sometimes it happens... @ least he has the balls to say what most don't, and has the ability to get everyone in the U.S. to hear it... plain and simply, I'm glad he's on my side, that's for damn sure... who else would you rather listen to, ed shultz??? </div></div>
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He would have more credibility if the tag on the inside of this hats didn't say "Made in China". Wasn't my hat, a buddy of mine was bored on a recent trip an had his hat off an just happened to look at the tag on the interior at which point he noticed that. IF your gonna do things do'm right. USA ONLY if your gonna toot the horn the way you toot it.
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**To clarify, it was one of the "Spirit of the Wild" hats. Like you'd buy on the net or at a trade show etc.**
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think America needs more people like Uncle Ted. </div></div>
AGREE...
this guy does more and donates more in a year than any of us make, to organizations that allow us to continue with the "Hunting" and "Shooting" we love... while I don't like seeing animals stuck in guts or ass with a serrated stinger, sometimes it happens... @ least he has the balls to say what most don't, and has the ability to get everyone in the U.S. to hear it... plain and simply, I'm glad he's on my side, that's for damn sure... who else would you rather listen to, ed shultz??? </div></div>
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He would have more credibility if the tag on the inside of this hats didn't say "Made in China". Wasn't my hat, a buddy of mine was bored on a recent trip an had his hat off an just happened to look at the tag on the interior at which point he noticed that. IF your gonna do things do'm right. USA ONLY if your gonna toot the horn the way you toot it.
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**To clarify, it was one of the "Spirit of the Wild" hats. Like you'd buy on the net or at a trade show etc.**
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
I have met the man on 2 occasions.Spent actual time with him and he is very genuine.He hamms it up for his show a bit but her really believes what he says.
He is a good guy that does alot of good things for many people.Does he make mistakes? sure but with as much as he is out there on tv,making appearances etc he is bound to have some things that come out wrong or a bad day.
With that being said I could think of many worse people to have over at my house
I have met the man on 2 occasions.Spent actual time with him and he is very genuine.He hamms it up for his show a bit but her really believes what he says.
He is a good guy that does alot of good things for many people.Does he make mistakes? sure but with as much as he is out there on tv,making appearances etc he is bound to have some things that come out wrong or a bad day.
With that being said I could think of many worse people to have over at my house
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghogs Nightmare</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He would have more credibility if the tag on the inside of this hats didn't say "Made in China". Wasn't my hat, a buddy of mine was bored on a recent trip an had his hat off an just happened to look at the tag on the interior at which point he noticed that. IF your gonna do things do'm right. USA ONLY if your gonna toot the horn the way you toot it. </div></div>
but really... his hat?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghogs Nightmare</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He would have more credibility if the tag on the inside of this hats didn't say "Made in China". Wasn't my hat, a buddy of mine was bored on a recent trip an had his hat off an just happened to look at the tag on the interior at which point he noticed that. IF your gonna do things do'm right. USA ONLY if your gonna toot the horn the way you toot it. </div></div>
but really... his hat?
Re: Ted Nugent plead guilty to illegal bear hunt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dukguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't read the whole thread but I think the bear thing was probable blown out of proportion. </div></div>
LOL, doesn't anyone have anything better to do. If he wasn't famous, no one would care less. I look forward to those future safety lessons
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dukguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't read the whole thread but I think the bear thing was probable blown out of proportion. </div></div>
LOL, doesn't anyone have anything better to do. If he wasn't famous, no one would care less. I look forward to those future safety lessons
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