700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

[billt]

Does anyone know if one is built to a higher factory standard accuracy wise than the other? I'm thinking of setting up a long range rig, and it has come down to these 2 models. Both seem quite identical except for cosmetics. 26" barrels, Aluminum block synthetic stocks, 1 in 10" twist, Sendero at 8 1/2 pounds, Police at 9 pounds.

Cost is within $200.00 of each other, with the Stainless, fluted Sendero running the higher. I want to choose the best of the 2. With that said if both are built to the exact same standard I'll choose the Sendero based on cosmetic appeal. Thoughts?

 

[Jig Stick]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Id buy the police. I have a 700P and it shoots sub MOA with worked up handloads. The stock is a nice addition too. I bet the stock on the P is different than on the Sendero.

 

[RETE8]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I would handle both stocks because IIRC, the Sendero is a more slender/ hunting styled stock than compared to the P. I believe the P stock has larger palm swells, wider forearm and dual front swivels. I am not sure if these details are important to you or not.

I like the feel of the P stock when shooting prone compared to my VSF, which I believe has the same stock as the Sendoro.

 

[lonely_wolf]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Sendero's have a very good reputation. Stainless barrel and receiver is also a plus in my opinion.

Trying the stocks is good advice. I didn’t like the P Model stock due to the palm swell.

 

[Guns4570]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Don't forget the 700 XCR II Long Range either...mine is great.

 

[roggom]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

5R is stainless and price point is in between the 700P and Sendero.

 

[h2447intx]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

i have had both and to me i could not pick one over the other , they look to be of = spec and build quality

the sendero is styled for a hunting rifle the 700p more a sharp shooter look

HS stocks on both , and shot groups on both are sub moa with factory ammo , hand loads you should be punching one hole with eather rifle

the extra 200 dollars on the sendero is because of the s.s.

eather way you can not go wrong great rifles all around


im just not big on the 26" brl i shoot the sps tac now with great affects

giveing i have replaced the stock , beded it ex timney triger all that good stuf but still i like the short brl

got her shooting under .350 with hand loads

good luck in your choice

 

[Prebanpaul]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I would look at the xcr tactical........ Only problem is finding the gun in stock

 

[Mirnyx]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5R is stainless and price point is in between the 700P and Sendero. </div></div>

I would explore this option myself.

 

[Pr0VideR]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Not sure I could make that choice short of a steal of a deal. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice.

 

[branson1369]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Any of you running these changed the bottom metal? I may want to add one to the flock as a baseline for modifcation over time if I like the rifle for long raange comps

 

[doctordoctor]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I own an XCR tactical and my identical twin brother a 5R both With NF glass. I love both but at the end of the day i covet my brother's 5R

 

[.50 Cal Cow]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I can only speak to the factory quality standard for the Sendero. I bought a 300WM not too long ago and have had nothing but issues from get go. Bolt would stick and wouldn't lift on anything over 165 grain (tried multiple factory brands), primers would crater and flatten on everything (which is apparently common).

Sent it back to Remington under warranty and the freebore was found to be "miscut" so they rechambered it and replaced the bolt. Got it back yesterday only to find that the bolt they replaced it with has a dented flat spot along the bolt body. So I have to send the whole thing back to them again to get that replaced.

I want to love this rifle and am jealous of all those whom have had great success out of the box. Remington's turn around on the first "repair" was fast and they have been easy to deal with for the warranty repairs. But for spending as much on this rifle as I have it shouldn't be this way.

As for accuracy standard goes I can let you know when I get to fire enough rounds to see.

Almost debating just selling it when I get it back and try and start over with the 700P since I keep hearing something that they are supposedly given an extra step in terms of QC.

 

[hahco]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

in addition to what has already been mentioned, you should also consider that they are shipping the 700p's with the 40x trigger these days. it is really a very decent trigger. i'm not too impressed at all by the X mark trigger that comes on the sendero.

I purchased a .308 700p last fall and its one of the best buys I've ever made. the trigger was about 3.5 lbs and very crisp right out of the box, which sort of shocked me. It's also proven to be the most consistently accurate rifle I own. It will typically get 3 shots into .5, and 5 into at least .75 at 100 yds. anyway, I usually don't get that luxury on an out of the box gun, so I like to brag on it.

you might also think about finding one of the used 1st gen senderos. I've got a 1st gen in .270, which is also a great shooter, just not quite at the same level as the 700p. the trigger on those can be tuned by a gunsmith to an excellent pull (which is what I did with mine). on the downside, I find the balance of that old sendero to be terrible. muzzle heavy, butt-light. the 700p seems much better balanced, although it is heavier and has a thicker stock in general.

hope this helps.

 

[winxp_man]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hahco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">in addition to what has already been mentioned, you should also consider that they are shipping the 700p's with the 40x trigger these days. it is really a very decent trigger. i'm not too impressed at all by the X mark trigger that comes on the sendero.

I purchased a .308 700p last fall and its one of the best buys I've ever made. the trigger was about 3.5 lbs and very crisp right out of the box, which sort of shocked me. It's also proven to be the most consistently accurate rifle I own. It will typically get 3 shots into .5, and 5 into at least .75 at 100 yds. anyway, I usually don't get that luxury on an out of the box gun, so I like to brag on it.

you might also think about finding one of the used 1st gen senderos. I've got a 1st gen in .270, which is also a great shooter, just not quite at the same level as the 700p. the trigger on those can be tuned by a gunsmith to an excellent pull (which is what I did with mine). on the downside, I find the balance of that old sendero to be terrible. muzzle heavy, butt-light. the 700p seems much better balanced, although it is heavier and has a thicker stock in general.

hope this helps.</div></div>


I have checked out quite a few 700P's locally and none that I looked at had the 40x triggers.

I have owned my Sendero SF II for a year and shoot .5 with reloads consistently and without issues. I even pulled off a .249" group with cheap federal 180gr ammo. I will not say you can do that every time but the rifle is a shooter.

Issues with the rifle have been none for me. Although you never know when you get a bad rifle it can happen in any line of Remington rifles. I have been so lucky at to own 5 Remington rifles from 69 all the way to 11' and had nothing but perfect working and very accurate. My buddy just doesn't understand my luck

And now some eye candy

Aron-

 

[JudasMac]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

If I had to chose I would go with the police, but that's how my .300 started. Great rifle for the price you pay. I had badger M5 DBM installed, had the barrel cut to 24" and it shot great. That being said, someone mentioned the 5R. If that is an option I would choose that over both the sendero and the 700P hands down.

 

[csloop]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

My sendero shoot very well. Just as good if not better than the long range tactical never shot the 700p but the sendero is good to go in my book

 

[rideHPD]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I own a police in .308, and I would take one in 300WM over a sendero for the trigger, which gives me a good trigger out of the box (it's just about as good as the timney now in it, 40x going to something else). That said, if you can find a 5R in 300WM I would grab that in a heart beat, and that is the one thing I wish I had bought over the police, something I still occasionally kick myself over.

 

[hahco]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have checked out quite a few 700P's locally and none that I looked at had the 40x triggers.</div></div>

here is a crappy cell phone pic of the trigger on mine. I'm reasonably sure this is the 40x trigger, not the x-mark. but either way ... it really is a great trigger:

this rifle was purchased in September of last year and it was new production that had just made it to my gun store. seems to me like it's also very possible that they could ship some with the good trigger and some without.

of course, to the OP, a lousy trigger can always be fixed pretty quickly with a $130 timney.

 

[Pappasniper]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

My rifle smith told me in his opinion, the Rem stainless barrels are much nicer. I went 5R, but if I didn't, I would get the Sendero.

Another point, my stainless cleans twice as fast as my shooting partners. Doesn't shoot any better, because a half inch is a half inch

Get the 5R or Sendero, IMHO. And then a Timney trigger.

 

[MtnCreek]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is a crappy cell phone pic of the trigger on mine. I'm reasonably sure this is the 40x trigger, not the x-mark. but either way ... it really is a great trigger:</div></div>

It sure doesn't look like the x-mark that came on my rifle. If you would rather have a pretty silver trigger, I'll trade with you.

 

[mike70]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

A Remington rep told me 700p rifles have their own production line. And only the most experienced smiths build the police line.

 

[Lima Bravo]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

I know this was not asked about and has already been suggested but look at a 5-R, they are great rifles. There is one in the Firearms for sale forum for a good deal right now too!

 

[Triple D]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Flip a coin and make a choice. Any of the three rifles discussed will suit the needs of most shooters. My sendero (7mm) shoots just as good as my 700p's (308/7mm) with hand loads (<.75moa). A buddy has a 5-r in 300wm that is equally as accurate.
A point to note is the throat is a little shorter in the 700p 7mm compared to the sendero. Not sure if that's the norm or just the 2 I've measured. Could be the same in the 300wm but I'm not sure. The 700p has a faster twist in 7mm than the sendero, but not by much. I think the 300wm are the same for either.

As far as quality, I doubt there's much of a difference. You either want the stainless 5-r/sendero or the matte look of the police or older model senderos. As previously mentioned, the biggest ergonomic difference is the stock. I prefer the 700p stock but it's totally user preference.

 

[Triple D]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hahco</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have checked out quite a few 700P's locally and none that I looked at had the 40x triggers.</div></div>

here is a crappy cell phone pic of the trigger on mine. I'm reasonably sure this is the 40x trigger, not the x-mark. but either way ... it really is a great trigger:

this rifle was purchased in September of last year and it was new production that had just made it to my gun store. seems to me like it's also very possible that they could ship some with the good trigger and some without.

of course, to the OP, a lousy trigger can always be fixed pretty quickly with a $130 timney. </div></div>

It's hard to tell from the picture, but can you adjust an external screw at the trigger, just in front of the bolt release?

 

[SporterII]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

Is it possible we see some old stock 700 P's? I just looked at a 26" 308 with the older adjustable serrated trigger. On the shelf, 'new' and a heavily fouled bore.

 

[hahco]

Re: 700 Sendero Or Police In .300 Win. Mag. ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Triple D</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hahco</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have checked out quite a few 700P's locally and none that I looked at had the 40x triggers.</div></div>

here is a crappy cell phone pic of the trigger on mine. I'm reasonably sure this is the 40x trigger, not the x-mark. but either way ... it really is a great trigger:

this rifle was purchased in September of last year and it was new production that had just made it to my gun store. seems to me like it's also very possible that they could ship some with the good trigger and some without.

of course, to the OP, a lousy trigger can always be fixed pretty quickly with a $130 timney. </div></div>

It's hard to tell from the picture, but can you adjust an external screw at the trigger, just in front of the bolt release?
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yes, the small adjustment screw is right ahead of the bolt release. honestly, i haven't touched it. it was set near about perfect for my purposes straight from the factory.