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Torque Wrenches

2/1_Kiwi

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What torque wrenches would you recommend and how tight are you setting your rings? Getting a few different answers depending on where i look.

Currently looking at a Wheeler "FAT" wrench, any opinions? Other options?
 
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I've been using a Borka MG6 kit and loving it. Haven't found a rifle this can't be used on. It's also very small and the whole kit is fairly light weight. I always bring it with me whenever I go to the range just in case. Even used it recently on a friend's Russian Mosin Nagant sniper variant.
 
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+1 for the borka kit...that thing is bad ass and the whole kit can be taken with you everywhere. Very compact and light weight. I think there is a group buy on these right now...it might already be closed. Would for sure pick up the Borka kit over the fat wrench.
 
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Yep. The Borka kits are great. Take mine everywhere and use it a lot. Very compact and handy, has about everything you need and comes in a T.A.B Gear pouch. Will fit in your pocket. Stays calibrated for a long long time, can't remember the rating but it's a long time

I had the FAT wrench before I got the Borka and I kept it as backup. If I had to pick one it would be the Borka over the Fat for sure. If money is tight the FAT kit is kinda handy and beats not having a torque wrench that's for sure
 
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bought a used snap on for $100. 1/4 dr and it is inch pounds...very compact and spot on. I also love seekonic..(spelling?) Great for a set rating.
 
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+1 on Borka for something to bring into the field.

Otherwise, for home use the CDI (SnapOn)computorq3 digital torque wrenches are the way to go.
 
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I have a couple preset Seekonks, a few Snap-Ons, and a Wheeler FAT wrench. All have their place. I'll probably pick up a Borka at some point, given the rave reviews on this forum.
 
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Borka has my vote too.
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Borka Tool for me also.
It does everything I need, all in one very compact and light package.
 
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For the amount of scope mounts I do the FAT has served me well. I also got the wheeler advanced scope alignment kit and that works good too.
 
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When I ordered my Borka set I put a note in that I was hoping for some quick shipping in order to wrench up a new stock and scope for the weekend. Boris answered within an hour or so with a tracking number. It has been one of my best purchases.
 
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I use the Wheeler Fat Wrench and It works great, very simple and easy to set design. I do 65 inch pounds on the base attachment nut and 25 inch pounds on the rings. That was the recommended torque by the ring manufacture(TPS)
 
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Utica makes great torque screwdrivers. Mine runs from 5-30 in/lb. I would also recommend seekonk as mentioned earlier. These are both professional quality torque wrenches made to be used on a daily basis. Also, they can be calibrated if necessary. Seekonk is what leupold sells for use with their mark 4 scope rings.
 
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+1 for the Borka. One of the best tools I have on my bench. I liked mine so much I bought another one for my pack.
 
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I like the Fat wrench. I've never used the Borka but it seems very cumbersome the way it snaps like that even though many swear by it. I guess being a mechanic I'm use to conventional torque wrenches/drivers that don't want to jump out of your hands when you use it. Also the fat wrench can be used with one hand so you can use your other hand to hold the gun. IDK makes sense to me. I can't understand why you prefer a handle that snaps over or collapses over one that just simply clicks?? I guess the Borka could be better for in the field because of its size but If I were only going to only have one I'd keep the Fat wrench I have now.
 
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borka or used snap-on adjustable torque driver, tech wrench, and or regular ratcheting adjustable torque wrench.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cox380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the Fat wrench. I've never used the Borka but it seems very cumbersome the way it snaps like that even though many swear by it. I guess being a mechanic I'm use to conventional torque wrenches/drivers that don't want to jump out of your hands when you use it. Also the fat wrench can be used with one hand so you can use your other hand to hold the gun. IDK makes sense to me. I can't understand why you prefer a handle that snaps over or collapses over one that just simply clicks?? I guess the Borka could be better for in the field because of its size but If I were only going to only have one I'd keep the Fat wrench I have now. </div></div>

Sorry, got to jump in and present a couple of points related to the post quoted above.

You admitted that you never used Borka, so I'm not sure what you mean saying "jumps out of your hand". Such observation is expected to be based on some sort of practical experience with the tool, rather than pure speculation.

Also, the prefered (and recommeded by the user guide) method of operation for Borka tool is to use ONE hand only. Naturally, the other hand becomes available to hold the weapon.

MG driver belongs to the established class of torque tools known as "break-over" wrenches, which are pre-set torque tools and typically assigned for use in certain highly precise torquing procedures. As a mechanic, you probably know about the advantages of pre-set torque tools over the adjustable type torque tools.

The design philosophy behind Borka MG torque driver is pretty much the same one as for "multi tool" - to provide function in the smallest and lightest package possible. Sometimes, multi tools are not the most ergonomic to use, but they work reasonably well within the range of purposes they were designed for, and are easy to carry around. For people who need torque tools in the field and carry other essential stuff on their backs, like food, water or ammo, having 15-72 inch-lbs. range torque driver with 12 pre-set most commonly used torque settings is likely to be an advantage. When used in accordance with instructions, Borka torque driver, which is just slightly bigger than the ink marker and weights under 4 ounces assembled, can deliver very consistent and reasonably accurate torque output at every torque setting, high, medium and low. As a mechanic, you know that adjustable type torque tools do have a tendency to show somewhat larger output torque deviation at low and high torque settings relative to the middle of the available adjustment range.

For adjustable torque tools, and Wheeler FAT is a good example, torque output consistency, which is known to be critical to keep long range weapon, particularly scoped one, zeroed after assembly/disassembly, is greatly dependent upon the ability of adjustable torque tool user to work with adjustment scale, and can be affected by both the physical size of the scale and the resolution of the scale markings. Borka torque tool does not have these potential issues by design.

Your preference for FAT adjustable torque screwdriver is understood and respected, but your comparison of Borka to FAT does not take into consideration the intended purpose and principle design differences between both tools. It would be, I believe, more logical to compare Borka MG driver and Seekonk T-handle, both being pre-set type tools, although Seekonk offers only a single torque setting while Borka MG driver provides twelve of them for the same price as Seekonk, and at 1/3 of the T-handle weight. Borka is also considerably more compact than Seekonk.

Here is the detailed video by Eric B. (AtOne on SH), which shows how to use Borka:

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MG driver belongs to the established class of torque tools known as "break-over" wrenches, which are pre-set torque tools and typically assigned for use in certain highly precise torquing procedures. </div></div>

Don't know where you'd get that information?? I google "break over" wrenches and didn't come up with anything but cheap gimmicky torque wrenches...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> as a mechanic, you probably know about the advantages of pre-set torque tools over the adjustable type torque tools. </div></div>

Thats a Negative...as a Aircraft mechanic you'd NEVER use a "break over" wrench. The only time you hear about a "break over" is when break is over and time to go back work...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> adjustable torque tools, and Wheeler FAT is a good example, torque output consistency, which is known to be critical to keep long range weapon, particularly scoped one, zeroed after assembly/disassembly, is greatly dependent upon the ability of adjustable torque tool user to work with adjustment scale, and can be affected by both the physical size of the scale and the resolution of the scale markings. Borka torque tool does not have these potential issues by design. </div></div>

Agree. If you do not know how, are not confident, or incapable of setting a torque wrench <span style="text-decoration: underline">properly</span>...then yes...the Borka is a great solution.

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^^^ skip to 11:00 min. for your "pure speculation." I would not post pure speculation as you put it. I just post what I see.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> admitted that you never used Borka, so I'm not sure what you mean saying "jumps out of your hand". Such observation is expected to be based on some sort of practical experience with the tool, rather than pure speculation. </div></div>

That is what I'm talking about. Its just something I can see happening a lot that would probably never happen with a fat wrench. To each his own. If you prefer this "established class of torque tools known as "break-over" wrenches" (LMOA) then go for it!
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Don't know where you'd get that information?? I google "break over" wrenches and didn't come up with anything but cheap gimmicky torque wrenches...

....as a Aircraft mechanic you'd NEVER use a "break over" wrench. The only time you hear about a "break over" is when break is over and time to go back work...
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Here are some links (out of many other ones) with basic info for you about "break-over torque wrenches", found thru Google search:

http://www.dataweigh.com/products/mountz/tb-tbih-break-over-wrench/

http://www.deterco.com/products/Mountz/mountz_wrench/mountz_wrench_1.htm

http://www.specialized.net/Specialized/74Z0021-Huber-Suhner-PCSMA-Torque-Wrench-1Nm-8mm315-3831.aspx

http://www.mountz.nl/Dokumentatie/MMTB_Operating_Instructions.pdf

Last link provides more detailed information and should help to better understand what kind of torque tool fits the description of "break-over torque wrench".

"Break over" term as applied to torque tools has nothing to do with "break over and go back to work", as you've tried to present it. Well, I know it was probably a joke of some sort with no technical essence attached to it...

These "break-over" torque tools are certainly not cheap.
The cheapest one for firearms is probably Wheeler FAT.

I was never suggesting the use of "break over" torque wrenches for work on aircraft. These tools are designed and used for specific applications where it is appropriate. I also hope you're not using Wheeler FAT for aircraft maintenance. It is my understanding that the original question was related to torque tool for work on the rifle, so if we keep aircraft out of discussion, OP may actually get some practical suggestions.

At the end of the day, different people have different preferences, which is a fact of life, and no matter what you and I have to say is going to change that.
 
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From one Kiwi to another , If you are after a one to carry with you at all times , get the Borka .


Later Chris
 
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These guys make good stuff but you'll pay for it.

http://www.torqwrench.com/

Also, since I make scope rings, people often ask me how much toque to apply to the screws. All screws on M10 rings can be torqued to 65 in-lbs (7.34 N/m). Worth noting that large screws require more toque to impart the same force that could otherwise be imparted by a smaller screw. For example, if a 4mm screw imparts 500 pounds when torqued to 20 in-lbs, a 5mm screw will required more than 20 in-lbs to impart 500 pounds. Ultimately, the larger screw can impart higher forces simply because it is bigger and therefore stronger, but far more torque must be applied to get there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> At the end of the day, different people have different preferences, which is a fact of life, and no matter what you and I have to say is going to change that.
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I just realized you're affiliated with Borka....I get it now....Thanks for the insight, I'm out!