I bought a fnar, 308 from FNH. GREAT GUN! However im tired of spending 1 buck a shot, I have had a .223 bolt action great caliber, now im looking into a AR-15 but i here about all these pros and cons ( one guy says get the dpms- the other guy says the dpms is junk) not looking for a maintence gun. im looking for a 50-500 yard simi auto .223 cal rifel any ideas? Also, this gun will be put to the test, mud, snow, rain, dirt, hell. i clean after every hunt/rang use but when I am useing it i need a definite boom every time, i do alot of preditor hunting in all different terrains. thanks for the advice.
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LMT, BCM, Daniel Defense are a few that are around the same price point of a DPMS with much better quality.
LMT, BCM, Daniel Defense are a few that are around the same price point of a DPMS with much better quality.
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For a general purpose carbine, as long as you stay with the major manufacturers it's hard to go wrong. DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt, S&W, Rock River, etc. etc.
If you're looking for a quality precision <1MOA AR-15 you're better off going with the more expensive options. POF, LMT, LWRC, etc.
That's not to say you can't make a DPMS or (insert brand choice here) a <1MOA gun, it's just usually a little harder...
For a general purpose carbine, as long as you stay with the major manufacturers it's hard to go wrong. DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt, S&W, Rock River, etc. etc.
If you're looking for a quality precision <1MOA AR-15 you're better off going with the more expensive options. POF, LMT, LWRC, etc.
That's not to say you can't make a DPMS or (insert brand choice here) a <1MOA gun, it's just usually a little harder...
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If you want to minimize the chances of having out of the box problems and you don't want to spend an arm and a leg, I'd go with Bravo Company or Spike's Tactical.
If you are looking for a predator rig, Rock River has some nice models that shoot straight, but I'd take a Bravo Company or Spike's over a Rock River any day of the week.
I've just seen too many freaky problems from out of the box DPMS and Rock River rifles.
If you want to minimize the chances of having out of the box problems and you don't want to spend an arm and a leg, I'd go with Bravo Company or Spike's Tactical.
If you are looking for a predator rig, Rock River has some nice models that shoot straight, but I'd take a Bravo Company or Spike's over a Rock River any day of the week.
I've just seen too many freaky problems from out of the box DPMS and Rock River rifles.
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What's your budget?
What's your budget?
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You can build your own with great components for about the same as a factory built rifle. I like to choose my own barrel.
You can build your own with great components for about the same as a factory built rifle. I like to choose my own barrel.
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For what is costs to buy a DPMS, Bushmaster, or other second/third tier carbine and fix the issues so you do not have problems you can buy a BCM, DD, LMT, Colt, etc.
Comparison Chart of Commercial M4-Pattern Carbines
From the thread "Be an Informed Consumer" on the same site:
Here are some cold hard facts:
1. The only way to get a TRULY Mil-Spec weapon is to be issued it by the US Military.
2. The current two companies with the OFFICIAL TDP (Technical Data Package) are Colt and FN.
3. Mil-Spec means the LOWEST acceptable quality the US Govt will accept for a fighting gun.
4. If a company cannot meet the lowest of standards (Mil-Spec/TDP), then what standards are they following (if any)?
Barrel's:
Per MIL-B-11595E, barrels have to be made out of the following in order to comply with this standard AND have the correct chemical compounds. IF the barrel’s do not meet this standard, they will not meet the mil-standard MPI acceptance criteria!
Then the barrels have to meet the following things:
• Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber
• Manganese Phosphate Barrel Finish on entire barrel
• HPT (High Pressure Test, per Milspec) barrel’s
• MPI (Magnetic Particle Inspected, per Milspec) barrel’s
• USGI 5.56mm NATO Chamber
Bolt's:
Per the TDP, bolts are to comply with the following:
• Bolt machined from Mil-Spec Carpenter No. 158® steel
• HPT Bolt (High Pressure Tested/ Proof)
• MPI Bolt (Magnetic Particle Inspected)
• Shot Peened Bolt (per Mil-S-13165)
• Heat Treated
And finally a LINK to the ever popular, "On No! I bought an off-brand carbine before I knew better." thread.
For what is costs to buy a DPMS, Bushmaster, or other second/third tier carbine and fix the issues so you do not have problems you can buy a BCM, DD, LMT, Colt, etc.
Comparison Chart of Commercial M4-Pattern Carbines
From the thread "Be an Informed Consumer" on the same site:
Here are some cold hard facts:
1. The only way to get a TRULY Mil-Spec weapon is to be issued it by the US Military.
2. The current two companies with the OFFICIAL TDP (Technical Data Package) are Colt and FN.
3. Mil-Spec means the LOWEST acceptable quality the US Govt will accept for a fighting gun.
4. If a company cannot meet the lowest of standards (Mil-Spec/TDP), then what standards are they following (if any)?
Barrel's:
Per MIL-B-11595E, barrels have to be made out of the following in order to comply with this standard AND have the correct chemical compounds. IF the barrel’s do not meet this standard, they will not meet the mil-standard MPI acceptance criteria!
Then the barrels have to meet the following things:
• Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber
• Manganese Phosphate Barrel Finish on entire barrel
• HPT (High Pressure Test, per Milspec) barrel’s
• MPI (Magnetic Particle Inspected, per Milspec) barrel’s
• USGI 5.56mm NATO Chamber
Bolt's:
Per the TDP, bolts are to comply with the following:
• Bolt machined from Mil-Spec Carpenter No. 158® steel
• HPT Bolt (High Pressure Tested/ Proof)
• MPI Bolt (Magnetic Particle Inspected)
• Shot Peened Bolt (per Mil-S-13165)
• Heat Treated
And finally a LINK to the ever popular, "On No! I bought an off-brand carbine before I knew better." thread.
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I've had a couple RRA ARs in .223 and .308 and have not had a single problem and have nothing bad to say about them and do not hear anything negative about them from people who actually own them. I do hear negative from internet shooters who were told by someone who overheard someone who onwned one. I've had more issues from "MIL spec" M16/M4 weapons from the armory during qual/recert honestly.
I've had a couple RRA ARs in .223 and .308 and have not had a single problem and have nothing bad to say about them and do not hear anything negative about them from people who actually own them. I do hear negative from internet shooters who were told by someone who overheard someone who onwned one. I've had more issues from "MIL spec" M16/M4 weapons from the armory during qual/recert honestly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike2011</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had a couple RRA ARs . . .</div></div>Had? Why did you get rid of them?
I had two (2) RRAs, an Entry Tactical and an Elite. The Entry Tactical was very finicky as to what ammo it liked when I got it. After some research I replaced the buffer and the springs and it cycled much better. I also replaced the commercial buffer tube with the mil-spec size so I could get the stock I wanted. While it was apart I also properly staked everything. I would rather have spent the money on a sight instead of fixing things that should have been right from the factory.
The Elite was slightly better out of the box, but I still had to replace the buffer and spring.
I also ended up replacing the charging handle on both.
Once I was done they were OK, but I have to rely on my carbine at work so I ended up selling them and getting a DD and a BCM.
I just think that some of the lower cost carbines are not such a deal once you have to start futzing with them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike2011</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had a couple RRA ARs . . .</div></div>Had? Why did you get rid of them?
I had two (2) RRAs, an Entry Tactical and an Elite. The Entry Tactical was very finicky as to what ammo it liked when I got it. After some research I replaced the buffer and the springs and it cycled much better. I also replaced the commercial buffer tube with the mil-spec size so I could get the stock I wanted. While it was apart I also properly staked everything. I would rather have spent the money on a sight instead of fixing things that should have been right from the factory.
The Elite was slightly better out of the box, but I still had to replace the buffer and spring.
I also ended up replacing the charging handle on both.
Once I was done they were OK, but I have to rely on my carbine at work so I ended up selling them and getting a DD and a BCM.
I just think that some of the lower cost carbines are not such a deal once you have to start futzing with them.
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well im looking at 2000-2500 to dump in, like i said this gun will be put threw the works i understand quanity and quality, i am chaseing quality, the first simi auto i owned was a 11-87 remington 12 gauge. first cold weather hunt, i spent more time thinking about throwing it at the ducks then shooting them because i new itd actually go off! haha so after that i got away from simis, but then i got on this forum( great site by the way!) and i had a sudden change of hart! So i am too dang happy with that fnar! out of the box the only adjustments i made where diferent sized combs(out of the box control!) so what do you have in mind for that?
well im looking at 2000-2500 to dump in, like i said this gun will be put threw the works i understand quanity and quality, i am chaseing quality, the first simi auto i owned was a 11-87 remington 12 gauge. first cold weather hunt, i spent more time thinking about throwing it at the ducks then shooting them because i new itd actually go off! haha so after that i got away from simis, but then i got on this forum( great site by the way!) and i had a sudden change of hart! So i am too dang happy with that fnar! out of the box the only adjustments i made where diferent sized combs(out of the box control!) so what do you have in mind for that?
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Yeah, that 1" moa on my .308 is freaking incredible! if i could pull another one from the box with that same control id be in heaven, i also reload my own shells fnh claims the fnar,308 has a 1" moa out of the box, i found the gun likes the 150 grain soft points, i am shooting a tighter pattern then a hornaday sst, i just dont know how to mesure the moa, so on a .223 caliber, what would you sudgeust, im not to worryed about price i want something that will kick untill i do if you no what i mean! and i know i can always change out the barrles, i here the ar-15s are no stop coustimizing rifels. thank you for your time bubba
Yeah, that 1" moa on my .308 is freaking incredible! if i could pull another one from the box with that same control id be in heaven, i also reload my own shells fnh claims the fnar,308 has a 1" moa out of the box, i found the gun likes the 150 grain soft points, i am shooting a tighter pattern then a hornaday sst, i just dont know how to mesure the moa, so on a .223 caliber, what would you sudgeust, im not to worryed about price i want something that will kick untill i do if you no what i mean! and i know i can always change out the barrles, i here the ar-15s are no stop coustimizing rifels. thank you for your time bubba
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Preferred User</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike2011</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had a couple RRA ARs . . .</div></div>Had? Why did you get rid of them?</div></div>
No, I still own them, but I PCSed to Germany about a year ago. Rifles are sitting in my safe back in the states.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Preferred User</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike2011</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had a couple RRA ARs . . .</div></div>Had? Why did you get rid of them?</div></div>
No, I still own them, but I PCSed to Germany about a year ago. Rifles are sitting in my safe back in the states.
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At a price point I was comfortable with I recently purchased a RRA A4 Varmint upper with a 24" barrel and 1 in 8' twist. It is on a RRA lower I had put together with a RRA NM trigger and Magpul PRS stock. Its been to the range 3 times in the past two weeks and with my handloads I'm getting groups (5 shot) that are ranging from just under 1/2 inch to 3/4 ' at 100 yards. I've got about 160 rounds through it so far without any problems. 24.8 gr. of RE15 using 69 gr. SMK's with Winchester brass is what I'm seeing those results with. I wanted an AR that I could use as a range gun and something to take out for stationary varmint hunting. It's too early for me to make a solid determination as to the quality of this set-up, time will tell. But right now I like what I'm seeing. On a side note, it is quite heavy and not something I would want to have to lug around.
At a price point I was comfortable with I recently purchased a RRA A4 Varmint upper with a 24" barrel and 1 in 8' twist. It is on a RRA lower I had put together with a RRA NM trigger and Magpul PRS stock. Its been to the range 3 times in the past two weeks and with my handloads I'm getting groups (5 shot) that are ranging from just under 1/2 inch to 3/4 ' at 100 yards. I've got about 160 rounds through it so far without any problems. 24.8 gr. of RE15 using 69 gr. SMK's with Winchester brass is what I'm seeing those results with. I wanted an AR that I could use as a range gun and something to take out for stationary varmint hunting. It's too early for me to make a solid determination as to the quality of this set-up, time will tell. But right now I like what I'm seeing. On a side note, it is quite heavy and not something I would want to have to lug around.
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My brother ran into the same problem using an FNAR. It got to expensive for him to shoot. He traded his FNAR for a bushmaster DCM XR series. My other brother has a cheaper bushmaster he ordered from cheaper than dirt. He has shot everything from brass to steel from wolf to tula without a single malfunction. Memorial day weekend we were shooting at steel target at 500 yds.
His bushmaster was accurate as hell. The only fault I could find if any was that his trigger was not as smooth as my RRA which has a great 2 stage trigger.
Both manufacturers of AR's that we own have been very reliable. So it really makes me wonder those that have had issues if any actually owned one or were more gossip spreaders than true experienced shooters.
I would gladly go against any of your high dollar AR's.
So uncle tuck if you can get an even trade money wise go for it. There is a lot of brand loyalty here as much as name droppers that pay a lot of money because of name. Keeping your weapon clean and oiled well will help with malfunctions if any. Some AR's like to be wet other's lightly oiled. You just have to figure which one it is with yours.
Remember a chevy, ford or toyota truck will get you from A to B just as well as a cadillac , porsche , or mercedes. Just depends where your needs are.
My brother ran into the same problem using an FNAR. It got to expensive for him to shoot. He traded his FNAR for a bushmaster DCM XR series. My other brother has a cheaper bushmaster he ordered from cheaper than dirt. He has shot everything from brass to steel from wolf to tula without a single malfunction. Memorial day weekend we were shooting at steel target at 500 yds.
His bushmaster was accurate as hell. The only fault I could find if any was that his trigger was not as smooth as my RRA which has a great 2 stage trigger.
Both manufacturers of AR's that we own have been very reliable. So it really makes me wonder those that have had issues if any actually owned one or were more gossip spreaders than true experienced shooters.
I would gladly go against any of your high dollar AR's.
So uncle tuck if you can get an even trade money wise go for it. There is a lot of brand loyalty here as much as name droppers that pay a lot of money because of name. Keeping your weapon clean and oiled well will help with malfunctions if any. Some AR's like to be wet other's lightly oiled. You just have to figure which one it is with yours.
Remember a chevy, ford or toyota truck will get you from A to B just as well as a cadillac , porsche , or mercedes. Just depends where your needs are.
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Well, I have both an FNAR and AR which is the Sig Sauer M400 model. they are 2 different weapons for different purposes.
I did a lot of looking before buying the Sig (which I got for just 800) and figured it was close enough to those 1200 ro 1500 dollar predator type guns that I could change the trigger and foreamr and be happy without near the cost, which allowed me to put great glass on top.
you need to make a list of the most important things you want out of gun, then start narrowing the field based on those needs.
Well, I have both an FNAR and AR which is the Sig Sauer M400 model. they are 2 different weapons for different purposes.
I did a lot of looking before buying the Sig (which I got for just 800) and figured it was close enough to those 1200 ro 1500 dollar predator type guns that I could change the trigger and foreamr and be happy without near the cost, which allowed me to put great glass on top.
you need to make a list of the most important things you want out of gun, then start narrowing the field based on those needs.
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Call Scott at Specialized Dynamics or ck into Ambush Firearms (DD)
Call Scott at Specialized Dynamics or ck into Ambush Firearms (DD)
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ya..big questions are
1.how tight of groupings do you want
2. how much do you want to spend
ya..big questions are
1.how tight of groupings do you want
2. how much do you want to spend
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Hmmm, I think a good shooter can compensate for a bad trigger but you can’t beat a great barrel, to me the barrel makes the gun. But then again I have a 600.00 DPMS that I can hit steel with at a 100 meters all day long off hand and I have a blast doing it.
Hmmm, I think a good shooter can compensate for a bad trigger but you can’t beat a great barrel, to me the barrel makes the gun. But then again I have a 600.00 DPMS that I can hit steel with at a 100 meters all day long off hand and I have a blast doing it.
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I dont sale Guns and this is not a sales ploy.
I dont have an AR15 persay, I have weapons system's I have tuned over the years with load out bag, I can do anything needed with the system,Grab One bag and one Rifle and adapt for use any where anytime . CQB day/night or if it must be done send rounds to 1k,But 700 yards is where I feel its efective and capable in daylight with better accuracy than the shooter capability. Night adaptive Range 200 yards passive,500 yards reactive. . ,FROM ACTIVE TO PASIVE . Its my end game long gun kit.
Its not perfect,But when in a pinch its a mind blower.
Want to here more Let me Know..
I dont sale Guns and this is not a sales ploy.
I dont have an AR15 persay, I have weapons system's I have tuned over the years with load out bag, I can do anything needed with the system,Grab One bag and one Rifle and adapt for use any where anytime . CQB day/night or if it must be done send rounds to 1k,But 700 yards is where I feel its efective and capable in daylight with better accuracy than the shooter capability. Night adaptive Range 200 yards passive,500 yards reactive. . ,FROM ACTIVE TO PASIVE . Its my end game long gun kit.
Its not perfect,But when in a pinch its a mind blower.
Want to here more Let me Know..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might look into a piston setup a few companies make conversion kits. I'm a firm believer in the trigger makes the AR. A good barrel is always nice to have also. </div></div>
Piston conversion systems typically suck because they tend to be problematic.
If a guy wants a piston gun, he should buy one that was built as a piston from the ground up such as the POF and LWRC.
There are others but those two tend to be the most talked about when talking about piston guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might look into a piston setup a few companies make conversion kits. I'm a firm believer in the trigger makes the AR. A good barrel is always nice to have also. </div></div>
Piston conversion systems typically suck because they tend to be problematic.
If a guy wants a piston gun, he should buy one that was built as a piston from the ground up such as the POF and LWRC.
There are others but those two tend to be the most talked about when talking about piston guns.
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First off I would like to begin my reply with the following....
There is nothing wrong with the Pre-Dec 2007 DPMS rifles. I have and still own several of them, and they have been put through their paces. They stand up to the rest.
Now, with that said, in Dec of 2007 DPMS was acquired by Cerberus along with Remington and Bushmaster. Their suppliers changed, and they went from a good level production gun company to a company that only watches their bottom dollar. Now they are a bad bunch to deal with. It's a proverbial hit and miss with quality and reliability. I will never again own a new rifle from any Freedom Group owned company as long as I live.
It is very evident in some of their products. For instance, since they acquired H&R 1871 their barrels are visibly different in quality, and are being mass produced to sell to the masses with the maximum profit margin in mind.
Long story short .... go with a company that is owned 'OUTSIDE' the Freedom Group. The Freedom Group is nothing more, with every literal sense of the term, a gun cartel !!!
First off I would like to begin my reply with the following....
There is nothing wrong with the Pre-Dec 2007 DPMS rifles. I have and still own several of them, and they have been put through their paces. They stand up to the rest.
Now, with that said, in Dec of 2007 DPMS was acquired by Cerberus along with Remington and Bushmaster. Their suppliers changed, and they went from a good level production gun company to a company that only watches their bottom dollar. Now they are a bad bunch to deal with. It's a proverbial hit and miss with quality and reliability. I will never again own a new rifle from any Freedom Group owned company as long as I live.
It is very evident in some of their products. For instance, since they acquired H&R 1871 their barrels are visibly different in quality, and are being mass produced to sell to the masses with the maximum profit margin in mind.
Long story short .... go with a company that is owned 'OUTSIDE' the Freedom Group. The Freedom Group is nothing more, with every literal sense of the term, a gun cartel !!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uncle tuck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought a fnar, 308 from FNH. GREAT GUN! However im tired of spending 1 buck a shot, I have had a .223 bolt action great caliber, now im looking into a AR-15 but i here about all these pros and cons ( one guy says get the dpms- the other guy says the dpms is junk) not looking for a maintence gun. im looking for a 50-500 yard simi auto .223 cal rifel any ideas? Also, this gun will be put to the test, mud, snow, rain, dirt, hell. i clean after every hunt/rang use but when I am useing it i need a definite boom every time, i do alot of preditor hunting in all different terrains. thanks for the advice. </div></div>
OP. It looks like you'll be packing this weapon? If you're not stationary the long heavy barrel smoke poles might not work for you. I've owned many..many ARs and build them now. A factory RRA 24" stainless bull barrel factory rifle with it's chamber 1/8 twist, and two stage match trigger will produce sub-moa results out to your intended ranges with the right ammo and the weapon (prior to optics) will run you just north of $1k.
If a pack gun is in the works you have many options in your price range. Some are bad mouthing the piston systems here but might I suggest (as an owner of 3 different piston driven uppers) that you take a look at the complete rifles produced by PWS. They will run in the $1.5k range. prior to optics, will have the controls of an AR-15 with the reliabilty of their long stroke piston system (read, AK47 reliability). You won't have to run this weapon wet (lubed up) after many rounds and they have proven to take the abuse. Want to upgrade to a match trigger...go for it. The lowers will accept any aftermarket parts an AR-15 does. They produce great barrels, also 1/8 twist, that will support light to heavy rounds.
If you want to dip your toe into the AR-15 platform purchase a DPMS for $750 and press. I have a couple and they are completely servicable rifles. I just purchased a DPMS rifle kit (I have a virgin lower on standby) for $550. To build a good, servicable, AR-15 for $625 is something that can be done these days. If you're interested in building (it's not difficult at all...I can provde a step-by-step manual provided through 3rd party) I would also suggest looking at PalmettoStateArmory's rifle kits. They carry FN hammer forged chrome lined barrels.
Have fun...you'll love your new Black Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uncle tuck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought a fnar, 308 from FNH. GREAT GUN! However im tired of spending 1 buck a shot, I have had a .223 bolt action great caliber, now im looking into a AR-15 but i here about all these pros and cons ( one guy says get the dpms- the other guy says the dpms is junk) not looking for a maintence gun. im looking for a 50-500 yard simi auto .223 cal rifel any ideas? Also, this gun will be put to the test, mud, snow, rain, dirt, hell. i clean after every hunt/rang use but when I am useing it i need a definite boom every time, i do alot of preditor hunting in all different terrains. thanks for the advice. </div></div>
OP. It looks like you'll be packing this weapon? If you're not stationary the long heavy barrel smoke poles might not work for you. I've owned many..many ARs and build them now. A factory RRA 24" stainless bull barrel factory rifle with it's chamber 1/8 twist, and two stage match trigger will produce sub-moa results out to your intended ranges with the right ammo and the weapon (prior to optics) will run you just north of $1k.
If a pack gun is in the works you have many options in your price range. Some are bad mouthing the piston systems here but might I suggest (as an owner of 3 different piston driven uppers) that you take a look at the complete rifles produced by PWS. They will run in the $1.5k range. prior to optics, will have the controls of an AR-15 with the reliabilty of their long stroke piston system (read, AK47 reliability). You won't have to run this weapon wet (lubed up) after many rounds and they have proven to take the abuse. Want to upgrade to a match trigger...go for it. The lowers will accept any aftermarket parts an AR-15 does. They produce great barrels, also 1/8 twist, that will support light to heavy rounds.
If you want to dip your toe into the AR-15 platform purchase a DPMS for $750 and press. I have a couple and they are completely servicable rifles. I just purchased a DPMS rifle kit (I have a virgin lower on standby) for $550. To build a good, servicable, AR-15 for $625 is something that can be done these days. If you're interested in building (it's not difficult at all...I can provde a step-by-step manual provided through 3rd party) I would also suggest looking at PalmettoStateArmory's rifle kits. They carry FN hammer forged chrome lined barrels.
Have fun...you'll love your new Black Rifle
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I would suggest Colt, I own three of them and they are great rifles, no issues with any of them and they are very accurate, BTW I also own 3 DPMS that are also good shooters ( .204 .308 and .223 ) all 3 have 24" stainless bull barrels and are very accurate but there is a big difference in quality ( finish, trigger, fitting, etc ) compared to the Colts, I don't care much for bushmaster based on my experience with the only one I own ( 20" fluted barrel ). I think Colt would be a good choice, a little more expensive than some other ones but very well worth it IMO.
I would suggest Colt, I own three of them and they are great rifles, no issues with any of them and they are very accurate, BTW I also own 3 DPMS that are also good shooters ( .204 .308 and .223 ) all 3 have 24" stainless bull barrels and are very accurate but there is a big difference in quality ( finish, trigger, fitting, etc ) compared to the Colts, I don't care much for bushmaster based on my experience with the only one I own ( 20" fluted barrel ). I think Colt would be a good choice, a little more expensive than some other ones but very well worth it IMO.
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The best rifle you can get for what you're looking for is an LMT Mrp piston gun, rock solid, great triggers, great stock, 1/7 twist for the heavier bullets, I have one love it... I also have the 300black out barrel for it, the quick change is perfect. The only problem with going piston 5.56 is you need to change the BCG to a gas version for almost every other caliber ie: 300blk out, .204ruger, 18in stainless 5.56
The best rifle you can get for what you're looking for is an LMT Mrp piston gun, rock solid, great triggers, great stock, 1/7 twist for the heavier bullets, I have one love it... I also have the 300black out barrel for it, the quick change is perfect. The only problem with going piston 5.56 is you need to change the BCG to a gas version for almost every other caliber ie: 300blk out, .204ruger, 18in stainless 5.56
Re: AR-15 or somthing else?
I'd go with an Knight's Armament SR-15. All major companies make a very similar product. Knight's actually tried to innovate and come out with new concepts and have proven to be good designs.
I'd go with an Knight's Armament SR-15. All major companies make a very similar product. Knight's actually tried to innovate and come out with new concepts and have proven to be good designs.
Re: AR-15 or somthing else?
Hey every one!, thanks for all the input! i finaly settled with a colt, ar-15, ive had a complete blast with this one! i live in palisaid colorado, and a friend of mine coustom machined a upper for it, i belive both of you were right as far as the trigger making a differnce and the barrle as well, i now have a 24" 1-10 twist barrle and a lms two stage trigger, i went with a high dollar red dot, not a fan of it for longer shots, i now have a zise 5x22x54 scope long and short shots are clear as day, i also added a nice little ingraving on the side, COYOTE NO YOTE, i will try to get pictures up asap but once again thank you every one, and till next time yall have a beer and take er eazy.
Hey every one!, thanks for all the input! i finaly settled with a colt, ar-15, ive had a complete blast with this one! i live in palisaid colorado, and a friend of mine coustom machined a upper for it, i belive both of you were right as far as the trigger making a differnce and the barrle as well, i now have a 24" 1-10 twist barrle and a lms two stage trigger, i went with a high dollar red dot, not a fan of it for longer shots, i now have a zise 5x22x54 scope long and short shots are clear as day, i also added a nice little ingraving on the side, COYOTE NO YOTE, i will try to get pictures up asap but once again thank you every one, and till next time yall have a beer and take er eazy.
Re: AR-15 or somthing else?
My advice (since you are new to AR-15s), buy a good but chief stock one, like an RRA or on M&P, or a billion others. Use it and abuse it, and then design exactly what you want into a custom high end.
My advice (since you are new to AR-15s), buy a good but chief stock one, like an RRA or on M&P, or a billion others. Use it and abuse it, and then design exactly what you want into a custom high end.
Re: AR-15 or somthing else?
cant go wrong with bravo compay. Great guns.
cant go wrong with bravo compay. Great guns.
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