Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
so do I, there is no need to replace the standard system but knowing both doesn't hurt at all.
so do I, there is no need to replace the standard system but knowing both doesn't hurt at all.
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Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
yada yada yada lobster biscotti, yada yada yada I woke up real tired.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I miss mine....... </div></div>
Mine was pre-ban.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I miss mine....... </div></div>
Mine was pre-ban.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
i bet it come from red jackets custom shop
i bet it come from red jackets custom shop
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
PistolPete?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
PistolPete?
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhnmdahl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...</div></div>
GOd this is good, I dont know what is better, the main article about a 1600 1" group AR or ROJKOH and his custom bullet!!!! I bet he preferes "hand loads"!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhnmdahl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...</div></div>
GOd this is good, I dont know what is better, the main article about a 1600 1" group AR or ROJKOH and his custom bullet!!!! I bet he preferes "hand loads"!
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Maybe he meant 1 MOA and didn't know what he was talking about.
I have an AR Grendel that shoots .33" groups at 100m and I think that is outstanding. 1" at 1 mile? For a ballistic solution? Whatever.
Maybe he meant 1 MOA and didn't know what he was talking about.
I have an AR Grendel that shoots .33" groups at 100m and I think that is outstanding. 1" at 1 mile? For a ballistic solution? Whatever.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
Dude, what?
I was an SDM instructor in the army and we taught them to use irons first and then ACOGS and they shot pretty well with their issue Colt M4's and regular rail systems. They had regular barrels (well, a few did get the heavier SOPMOD barrels if theirs were damaged) and M855's were the most special bullets we used. They could all hit standard silhouettes at 600m; you could stretch it to 1000m but it has to do with probability due to MOA at that range (so area target past 600m with an issue M4 might be an accurate statement).
It works best to 300m because most soldiers can't shoot past that with irons or an optic given their training. Increase the training, increase the range. Your average soldier doesn't need special bullets and special barrels because he/she can't deploy them to their full advantage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone that thinks a .223 can shoot out to 1600 yards needs to rethink. I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets. .223 is basically a 300 yard round. 7.62 can and does shoot out to 1000 yards all the time, I AM a Palma shooter and I have been using 14 types since 76. 1" MAO? on a good day close, but weather has to be perfect. I have used the Barrett and McMillan .50's... this is different. For .50, I still prefer to handload. </div></div>
Dude, what?
I was an SDM instructor in the army and we taught them to use irons first and then ACOGS and they shot pretty well with their issue Colt M4's and regular rail systems. They had regular barrels (well, a few did get the heavier SOPMOD barrels if theirs were damaged) and M855's were the most special bullets we used. They could all hit standard silhouettes at 600m; you could stretch it to 1000m but it has to do with probability due to MOA at that range (so area target past 600m with an issue M4 might be an accurate statement).
It works best to 300m because most soldiers can't shoot past that with irons or an optic given their training. Increase the training, increase the range. Your average soldier doesn't need special bullets and special barrels because he/she can't deploy them to their full advantage.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Dude dont even bother with that guy, he trolls the internet on different sites trying to pass himself off as an expert. I dont know what is worse, wasting time on a guy that says his AR holds a 1"group at 1600m or ROJKOH and his make believe world. Hell I think the seller is full of crap if he meant to say 1"MOA at 1600m thats still about a 16" group at a mile.
Dude dont even bother with that guy, he trolls the internet on different sites trying to pass himself off as an expert. I dont know what is worse, wasting time on a guy that says his AR holds a 1"group at 1600m or ROJKOH and his make believe world. Hell I think the seller is full of crap if he meant to say 1"MOA at 1600m thats still about a 16" group at a mile.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
I bet if you fling enough rounds at 1600 yards you will eventually get 3 rounds within an inch of eachother its all about quanity.
I bet if you fling enough rounds at 1600 yards you will eventually get 3 rounds within an inch of eachother its all about quanity.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
B3dlam I agree with your statement, if he shoots a few thousand rounds, I believe this is possible, I volunteer my rifle and my time if somebody brings the ammo, I think I can find an empty barn to use as a target. Lol
B3dlam I agree with your statement, if he shoots a few thousand rounds, I believe this is possible, I volunteer my rifle and my time if somebody brings the ammo, I think I can find an empty barn to use as a target. Lol
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Somebody tried to convince me he saw a video of somebody shooting a 20" LaRue OBR at 1 mile and got a 1st round engagement on steel. I'm like.. "Uh.. no."
Somebody tried to convince me he saw a video of somebody shooting a 20" LaRue OBR at 1 mile and got a 1st round engagement on steel. I'm like.. "Uh.. no."
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Fire enough rounds and at some point you would get that, it's just the odds are well extremely low, like you have a higher chance of falling down a flight of stairs well directly a marching band from with a car thats into a plane (thats not impossible but it's never going to happen). Because lets face it random groups can occur that are very good, which is why the average is the only important number.
Fire enough rounds and at some point you would get that, it's just the odds are well extremely low, like you have a higher chance of falling down a flight of stairs well directly a marching band from with a car thats into a plane (thats not impossible but it's never going to happen). Because lets face it random groups can occur that are very good, which is why the average is the only important number.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc1488</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhnmdahl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...</div></div>
GOd this is good, I dont know what is better, the main article about a 1600 1" group AR or ROJKOH and his custom bullet!!!! I bet he preferes "hand loads"! </div></div>
Makes me feel better! When I first read his first post, immediately my BS flag went up... While I do know that a 5.56 can reach out to 1600meters, it won't be making any 1" or 1 MOA groups in my honest opinion. To me, with specialty ammo and the right barrel twist rate to match the weight/ogive design of a projectile, consistant 800meter shots are very possible and even probable. I have seen 1k hits with USGI ball 55 and 62 gr out of M16A2s at quantico on the sniper range. So with a match gun shooting match ammo, 1000m hits at 1 to 1.5 MOA would not surprise me at all.
Rojkoh - sir it appears you do not know what you speak of sir.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc1488</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhnmdahl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rojkoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did .223 testing for the DoD years ago and a dear friend of mine is the only person I know that got an AR to shoot accurately to 600 yards with a special barrel and custom bullets.</div></div>
Not even close to accurate, dude. You need to get out more...</div></div>
GOd this is good, I dont know what is better, the main article about a 1600 1" group AR or ROJKOH and his custom bullet!!!! I bet he preferes "hand loads"! </div></div>
Makes me feel better! When I first read his first post, immediately my BS flag went up... While I do know that a 5.56 can reach out to 1600meters, it won't be making any 1" or 1 MOA groups in my honest opinion. To me, with specialty ammo and the right barrel twist rate to match the weight/ogive design of a projectile, consistant 800meter shots are very possible and even probable. I have seen 1k hits with USGI ball 55 and 62 gr out of M16A2s at quantico on the sniper range. So with a match gun shooting match ammo, 1000m hits at 1 to 1.5 MOA would not surprise me at all.
Rojkoh - sir it appears you do not know what you speak of sir.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
U guys must be really bad at the range. In GA we shoot 1600m keyholes all the time. Maybe everyone should just be shooting more. I mean really guys. It's not that hard. 0 yeah, and we do it with 1911's and glocks. Just a small hold over. P of cake!!!!
U guys must be really bad at the range. In GA we shoot 1600m keyholes all the time. Maybe everyone should just be shooting more. I mean really guys. It's not that hard. 0 yeah, and we do it with 1911's and glocks. Just a small hold over. P of cake!!!!
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Haters gonna hate...
I have a Keystone Cricket in 17hmr that will shoot down buffalos at 4.8 klicks.
Even though this rifle was handed directly to me by god, and is blessed by all faiths of mankind...
I have decided to sell it.
Check Armslist for details...
Or something.
Haters gonna hate...
I have a Keystone Cricket in 17hmr that will shoot down buffalos at 4.8 klicks.
Even though this rifle was handed directly to me by god, and is blessed by all faiths of mankind...
I have decided to sell it.
Check Armslist for details...
Or something.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Wow, just wow.
More win in this thread than most that I see on here. Reading through armslist can be a form of depressing entertainment for the morbidly inclined.
Wow, just wow.
More win in this thread than most that I see on here. Reading through armslist can be a form of depressing entertainment for the morbidly inclined.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Kodiak, trade for a countersniper scope?
Kodiak, trade for a countersniper scope?
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that darn metric system is just too simple.
1 meter is
1000 milimeters
100 centimeters
10 decimeters
1 kilometer is just a 1000 meters
<span style="color: #FF0000">1 liter = 1 kilo </span>
too damn simple. </div></div>
1 liter of what?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that darn metric system is just too simple.
1 meter is
1000 milimeters
100 centimeters
10 decimeters
1 kilometer is just a 1000 meters
<span style="color: #FF0000">1 liter = 1 kilo </span>
too damn simple. </div></div>
1 liter of what?
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
I used to shoot in a 600 yard league every Tuesday evening. We would regularly get people bringing out AR15's to shoot. To get best results, they usually had to single load rounds with a 77 grain bullet.
With the proper load and driver, the 5.56x45 did just fine at 600 yards....on a regular basis. Many shooters did fairly well with magazine fed 68/69 brain bullets, but of course, the best results came with the heavier bullets loaded long.
I used to shoot in a 600 yard league every Tuesday evening. We would regularly get people bringing out AR15's to shoot. To get best results, they usually had to single load rounds with a 77 grain bullet.
With the proper load and driver, the 5.56x45 did just fine at 600 yards....on a regular basis. Many shooters did fairly well with magazine fed 68/69 brain bullets, but of course, the best results came with the heavier bullets loaded long.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
I've had some moderate sucess engaging 750yd LaRue auto-resets using a 20" 8" twist .223 match chamber and Privi 75grn JHP.
I've had some moderate sucess engaging 750yd LaRue auto-resets using a 20" 8" twist .223 match chamber and Privi 75grn JHP.
Re: This AR shoots 1" groups at 1600 meters..
Okay...I'll bite...this would seem to be very probable...if the shooter were within a reasonable distance of the Target...and I had very good glass...I'm sure I could "watch" him shoot 1 inch groups at 1600 meters...now that's simple math...tehe...
Okay...I'll bite...this would seem to be very probable...if the shooter were within a reasonable distance of the Target...and I had very good glass...I'm sure I could "watch" him shoot 1 inch groups at 1600 meters...now that's simple math...tehe...
