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MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

I could understand if I mistreated the thing. It was just tight enough to keep it from sliding off every time I pulled the trigger. And it would still slide a little at that.

Guess I get to see what excuse they give me for it being my fault when I call them today.

L
 
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Suppressor Update.
Earlier this month I sent this email requesting information on an adaptor for a suppressor.

Dear Sirs,

I interested in your MagnetoSpeed chronograph but I would like to use it with a rifle with a sound suppressor and without a suppressor. Is there a way that I can do this with a custom mount and if so how much would the custom mount cost?

Here is the response I got back May 14:

Dave,
Thanks for you inquiry. We are currently working on a custom modification to our current bayo for suppressors. We will let you know when its ready. It will probably cost on the order of $100 plus the stock price. We could possibly do a group buy discount for 10-20 orders to get the cost down. Keep in mind these would be hand-finished, I hope to have one done up with pictures this week, we'll put em on our website under applications>custom. Hope this is good enough for now.

Thought I would post this for those who are interested in using this product with a suppressor.
 
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on a positive note they are looking at optional mounting solutions as seen above in the suppressor update and read below their answer to a possible mount to use with semi-auto pistols:

Hi Stephen,

Yes, this attachment method is in the early concept phase of development but we are still a ways off from having this mounting solution available.

It will probably be a separate model because it will have to have some height adjustability to it as well as the mounting. However it should be adaptable in that the display unit with our current V1 unit should work with the new sensor so all you would have to do to upgrade is buy the bayonet sensor portion of the kit.

Thanks,
Weston Petersen
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So it sounds like a similar situation as the suppressor mount. It will require a separate purchase of the bayonet but the display will work with both.
 
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Here's a pic of mine that failed. You'll notice it wasn't just the clip side that gave way.

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Folks there took care of me and are sending a new strap out today. Already have a tracking #. Can't ask for better service than that.

L
 
Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Layton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Folks there took care of me and are sending a new strap out today. Already have a tracking #. Can't ask for better service than that.

L</div></div>

Good to know
 
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heres there reply to my Email about ordering a spare clip

Ron,
Thanks for your interest and purchase! We could sell you extras at $10 each, which will just barely cover cost and shipping. We only know of one case where someone broke a clickcam (the clip you speak of) by pushing on an over-tightened strap at the corner of the clip (not the center). There were two other breakages we know about that had issues with the install that extra clickcams would not address. My suggestion is that you give it a try, if it breaks from normal use, then we'll replace it free (see our warranty at bottom of page http://www.magnetospeed.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions). If you'd rather buy extras up front then we'll send you a payment link via email and add it to your order. Please let us know how you want to proceed.
Best Regards,
Garet Itz
 
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For those of you who have been using this, do you feel that it's non-compatibity with suppressors is a big enough disadvantage not to purchase? I am really interested in this product and this would be my first chrono, hense the reason I ask. I often times see roughly a 50 fps difference in velocity when suppressors are introduced and was wondering if and how you guys are accounting for this? For some of you guys with way more experience than I, maybe you just know your velocity difference using a suppressor and account for it? I don't yet and don't shoot without my suppressor anymore unless forced to do so. Any comments and or advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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Just ordered mine yesterday after reading through half the thread, then read through the rest of it. Very interesting stuff.

I'll be using this on my Savage 110BA in 338LM. Though I think the 3 1/2" brake will be interesting to deal with, but I think I can mount directly on the backside of the brake. We'll see, I guess.

For that reason, I'd be very interested in an extended bayonet if they ever come out with one. Though not sure how quick their R&D is, especially since they still don't have pictures of their suppressor mount up on their site like they said they'd post last week.

One thing I don't get....by looking at the broken clasp pics, why not just put a metal bar in there and use a velcro strap? I'll have to get mine in to see why this wouldn't work.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will have feedback on Vias brake and Magneto Speed by the weekend. </div></div>


Unless I missed it, I didnt see the review. I have a Vias brake on my TRG42 338. Would be interesting to hear if there are or have been any issues. If not, I'll email them before I order, just to be sure that set-up wont harm the unit.
 
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I suck! Haven't had time to run it, let alone shoot much. I took it with me this last weekend to the local VS shoot and planned on running it on several rifles with various brakes that were on the line. Didn't happen.
Sorry fellas.

ps, I did test it on a rifle with a Vias brake, and one with a Vortex Flash hider when I first got it. No issues what so ever.
 
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Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well.
 
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Cool, thx GUNNER. I have an email into them already about my 338LM + vias brake, just to get the "ok" from them that it should stand up to that. Hopefully there wont be issues and I'll have one ordered soon.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well. </div></div>

Send it to me and I'll be happy to test it for you.
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Just got mine today. The display looks and feels pretty light duty. Then you have the clips. Kind of cheesy feeling. Knowing me, this thing is as good as broken.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mouse07410</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
[major snippage]
The load development options are:
  1. Work out the load first without knowing the velocities, select the right load, then break out the chrono and shoot 10-15 rounds over it to get the velocity data; whenever you need to verify the velocity - <span style="font-weight: bold">resign to the fact that you can't use those rounds for anything else like accuracy practice.</span>
  2. Collect velocity data in the process of load development, when the right load is determined - shoot more rounds for velocity data <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> accuracy practice, as the chrono is there anyway. And when practice afterwards - strap it on and keep collecting the data for free.

[more snipped]
So being able to quickly and easily put it on the rifle matters less because <span style="font-weight: bold">in this case you can't use those shots for anything (accuracy, etc) but clocking the velocity.</span> How often do you clock your ammo? Would it make such a big difference if you had to break out Oehler for those probably infrequent events?


<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Update.</span>As long as the change to both the POI and group spread is predictable and consistent (and that is likely to depend, among other factors, on how consistent the user is in attaching the device at the same place with the same tension), everything said about the option (b) in load development and data collection afterwards will apply. The only question is - whether the groups will be effected in a consistent way (as opposed to some shrinking down and some spreading up based on the given load).
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[more snip </div></div>

Well, from the hairsplitting semantics perspective, have to say that shooting for speeds, re-verifying chrono data, getting a larger sample for a better confidence interval, can STILL be useful for *precision* practice. Groups. Precision is the repeatability, all shots on the same impact area. "Accuracy" is technically how close each shot is to the intended impact point, usually also the aiming point.

Heck, you could even shoot what could be called an offset dot drill with the chrono bayo on the rifle. Remember how those benchresters *intentionally* offset their square aiming point from the middle of the little bullseye?

Accurate rifles are properly zeroed. Precise rifles shoot tiny groups. There was one season in over-the-course where my main goal was to just get my reasonable groups in the middle of that stupid aiming bull. Missed a wind call on one of my best 300-yd RF strings...bleh.
 
Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well. </div></div>

Send it to me and I'll be happy to test it for you.
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</div></div>

Haha.. Well I'll see how the next two weeks turn out...I may take you up on the offer...
 
Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well. </div></div>

Send it to me and I'll be happy to test it for you.
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</div></div>

Haha.. Well I'll see how the next two weeks turn out...I may take you up on the offer... </div></div>

If you decide to, shoot me a PM.
 
Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well. </div></div>

Send it to me and I'll be happy to test it for you.
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</div></div>

Haha.. Well I'll see how the next two weeks turn out...I may take you up on the offer... </div></div>

If you decide to shoot me a PM. </div></div>

Will do
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Im hoping this works, I just tryed to fit it on my 6.5 grendel with a WCI comp on the end, I had to trim the rubber pad a little to get it to sit front further, guess ill see how it acts when I go to shoot it.

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Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys just got word my custom suppressor mount is in the mail and on its way... Only problem is I'm moving in two weeks and I probably won't have time to test it fully until I get settled which realistically won't happen until August when hints finally settle down and I actually find a new Place to live...So it'll have to wait a little bit, but Garet Itz said the testing went well on this version. It took a couple of tries to get something to work reliably and still have the durability...

I'll try and get pics up when it comes in but no guarantees as it may arrive just when the movers are arriving as well. </div></div>

Send it to me and I'll be happy to test it for you.
wink.gif
</div></div>

Haha.. Well I'll see how the next two weeks turn out...I may take you up on the offer... </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">If you decide to shoot me</span> a PM. </div></div>

I'm pretty sure if he decides to shoot you, you won't be getting any advance notice (LOL).
 
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I went to the range today with it and here is what I got with it, I dont know for sure but it seams like the numbers are off somehow Im going to have to play around. my grendel factory ammo is normally around 2510 FPS on my crony this is saying the factory loads are over 2600 FPS and my 2520 handloads were normally around 2570, the other loads are new and I was just playing around with it.

hornady 6.5 grendel factory
Series 1 Shots: 10
Min 2602 Max 2634
Avg 2618 S-D 13
ES 32

Series Shot Speed
1 1 2605 ft/sec
1 2 2632 ft/sec
1 3 2606 ft/sec
1 4 2605 ft/sec
1 5 2634 ft/sec
1 6 2632 ft/sec
1 7 2602 ft/sec
1 8 2609 ft/sec
1 9 2628 ft/sec
1 10 2630 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

grendel 123 amax 2520 29 gr
Series 2 Shots: 10
Min 2497 Max 2549
Avg 2527 S-D 18
ES 52

Series Shot Speed
2 1 2539 ft/sec
2 2 2521 ft/sec
2 3 2549 ft/sec
2 4 2530 ft/sec
2 5 2497 ft/sec
2 6 2525 ft/sec
2 7 2527 ft/sec
2 8 2497 ft/sec
2 9 2544 ft/sec
2 10 2541 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

grendel 8208 xbr 29 gr
Series 3 Shots: 10
Min 2543 Max 2583
Avg 2567 S-D 12
ES 40

Series Shot Speed
3 1 2578 ft/sec
3 2 2558 ft/sec
3 3 2566 ft/sec
3 4 2566 ft/sec
3 5 2583 ft/sec
3 6 2575 ft/sec
3 7 2553 ft/sec
3 8 2574 ft/sec
3 9 2579 ft/sec
3 10 2543 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

factory hornady grendel 123 a max
Series 4 Shots: 10
Min 2512 Max 2628
Avg 2559 S-D 39
ES 116

Series Shot Speed
4 1 2538 ft/sec
4 2 2545 ft/sec
4 3 2522 ft/sec
4 4 2525 ft/sec
4 5 2551 ft/sec
4 6 2512 ft/sec
4 7 2592 ft/sec
4 8 2573 ft/sec
4 9 2608 ft/sec
4 10 2628 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

factory hornady 22-250 55 gr
Series 5 Shots: 9
Min 3597 Max 3657
Avg 3634 S-D 20
ES 60

Series Shot Speed
5 1 3620 ft/sec
5 2 3597 ft/sec
5 3 3617 ft/sec
5 4 3625 ft/sec
5 5 3652 ft/sec
5 6 3641 ft/sec
5 7 3657 ft/sec
5 8 3646 ft/sec
5 9 3652 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

22-250 hornady Z max 50 gr, varget 35.5
Series 6 Shots: 10
Min 3538 Max 3597
Avg 3570 S-D 18
ES 59

Series Shot Speed
6 1 3571 ft/sec
6 2 3581 ft/sec
6 3 3566 ft/sec
6 4 3546 ft/sec
6 5 3576 ft/sec
6 6 3579 ft/sec
6 7 3538 ft/sec
6 8 3597 ft/sec
6 9 3591 ft/sec
6 10 3558 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----

.223 hornady 75gr BTHP varget 23 gr.
Series 7 Shots: 10
Min 2616 Max 2660
Avg 2639 S-D 14
ES 44

Series Shot Speed
7 1 2644 ft/sec
7 2 2645 ft/sec
7 3 2616 ft/sec
7 4 2660 ft/sec
7 5 2648 ft/sec
7 6 2641 ft/sec
7 7 2658 ft/sec
7 8 2624 ft/sec
7 9 2631 ft/sec
7 10 2624 ft/sec
---- ---- ---- ----
 
Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

Hello,

I have a problem with my unit.

When I try to archive series, or read archived data from the card I having the following problem:

SD error
Error Code: 13

If I remove the card and insert it again, and repeating to archive the series - I having the following problem:
SD error
Error Code: 15

After reboot I having the Error Code: 13 again.

I can read and write to the card, I've tried to format it to the FAT file system, but it did not solve the problem.
I also tried to use mine 2gb card, but had the same issues.

I've never used the unit before. It was just first run.


Could you please let me know how to fix it.
 
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Ok here's a quick update.. The movers are coming on Monday so I ventured out one last time to try and get some trigger time with my new build from SAC and the magneto which both arrived within a day of each other this week.

I threw some loads together rather quickly to try and do an ocw test as well.

Anyway the chrono came with a few orange silicone straps to protect the strap from the suppressor heat.. It worked fine without any melt downs. Interestingly enough there was a poi shift down and to the right. In the target picture below I fired 4 shots with the chrony attached and the fifth shot of each charge weight group I fired without the magneto..(1st and 2nd targets left to right had three shots with the fourth fired without the magneto. The 1st shots of each of those groups I used as sighters.)

Granted one shot for each proves nothing, especially since the last one without the magneto deviated from the poi pattern for the shots without the magneto.. Could have been shooter error as well. This is only the second time I've fired this rifle.

I realize I was trying to accomplish one too many things at the same time but I did get some useful information about the chronograph and little bit of load development started.

Either way it does not appear to affect accuracy but does change poi as we have already seen in the previous posts. The chrono picked up velocity data for every shot.

I would like to do more testing and evaluation comparing the results while doing load development with and without the magneto.

But the end result for those desiring a unit to work with a suppressor is that they can make one for you.

Sorry for the quick and dirty report, but it's the best I could do with the time frame I have.

More to come.....

Pics:

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Re: MagnetoSpeed Chronograph Review

Ok here's a quick update.. The movers are coming on Monday so I ventured out one last time to try and get some trigger time with my new build from SAC and the magneto which both arrived within a day of each other this week.

I threw some loads together rather quickly to try and do an ocw test as well.

Anyway the chrono came with a few orange silicone straps to protect the strap from the suppressor heat.. It worked fine without any melt downs. Interestingly enough there was a poi shift down and to the right. In the target picture below I fired 4 shots with the chrony attached and the fifth shot of each charge weight group I fired without the magneto..(1st and 2nd targets left to right had three shots with the fourth fired without the magneto. The 1st shots of each of those groups I used as sighters.)

Granted one shot for each proves nothing, especially since the last one without the magneto deviated from the poi pattern for the shots without the magneto.. Could have been shooter error as well. This is only the second time I've fired this rifle.

I realize I was trying to accomplish one too many things at the same time but I did get some useful information about the chronograph and little bit of load development started.

Either way it does not appear to affect accuracy but does change poi as we have already seen in the previous posts. The chrono picked up velocity data for every shot.

I would like to do more testing and evaluation comparing the results while doing load development with and without the magneto.

But the end result for those desiring a unit to work with a suppressor is that they can make one for you.

Sorry for the quick and dirty report, but it's the best I could do with the time frame I have.

More to come.....

Pics:

6c910b4d.jpg


0740be0c.jpg


b0eccedb.jpg


1cd49e43.jpg
 
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So, for me, the million dollar question is, has it been determined that the poi shift comes from a change in gun harmonics or pressure wave reflections from passing so close to the magnetic sensor? If it is harmonics this is good as most of the time I would want to mount my sensor on a fixed mount attached to my front rest so I could evaluate all aspects of my loads wo concern for the accuracy influence of the Magnetospeed. If the influence comes from passing so closely to the sensor, I'm less interested and more likely to pony up for a PVM.
 
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I received my MagnetoSpeed a couple weeks ago, and finally had a chance to take it out to the range today for some quick testing.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Good</span>

Bottom line is that it's great. It's incredible just how much more convenient it is than a traditional chronograph. I don't ever want to have to set up a chrono on a tripod, line it up, hope I don't shoot it, worry about the weather, etc. again. The user interface and features of the readout is great; so much more sane than my other chrono (a Chrony Master Beta). Popped the SD card out of the Magnetospeed and into my computer, and there's a text file (CSV with summary computations mixed in) with all of the data.

I only did limited, not well-controlled testing today, but the numbers seem accurate compared to past data I have on this same round (Federal GMM 175gr .308). With my muzzle brake on my 26" barrel, 5 shots read an average of 2631 fps, SD=9, ES=22. Last time I measured (a different lot number) with my Chrony I got an average of 2638 fps, SD=12. I would have expected the Magnetospeed number to be slightly higher since it's measure closer to the barrel, but we're talking an expected 10fps or so, and since these are different ammo lots it's all well within my expected margin of error.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Bad</span>

Unfortunately, (as predicted by others in this thread) one of the plastic bits broke as soon as I tried to put it on my barrel. I did a trial run of attaching it before going to the range and it worked fine. When I got to the range, though, I put it around the barrel, cinched the strap around the barrel, then pushed down on the plastic lever to make it tight. That's when I heard the "snap" sound, and one of the thin portions of that plastic lever snapped in half. The other side was still intact, so I loosened the strap and was able to snap down the piece so that it wasn't particularly tight, and it lasted the shooting session without causing problems.

Hard to see in the picture I took when I got home, but here's where it broke:

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I'll email the manufacturer and see if they can send me a replacement piece or if they have ideas how to improve the reliability of that in the future... it does seem fundamentally flawed since the whole point of that lever is to tighten the thing down with lever force multiplication... having a small amount of plastic taking that much torque seems like it's asking for trouble.

In any case, I was lucky that it didn't break badly enough, so I was still able to use it. The benefits outweigh tradition chronographs so much that I would still gladly buy the Magnetospeed despite the risk of that piece breaking, and I'll just be a little more sensitive to how much I pre-tighten the strap in the future (I'll also reserve final judgement until I hear back from the company to make sure they do the right thing and at least send me a replacement for the broken piece).

<span style="font-weight: bold">POI Shift</span>

As expected and others have pointed out, having the bayonet hanging from the barrel does cause a POI shift. I will need to test this more carefully when I have more time, but I tried four configurations (in the following order, so the barrel was also heating up over the testing session in this order):

1. Magnetospeed: NO, Muzzle Brake: YES (my "normal" configuration)
2. Magnetospeed: YES, Muzzle Brake: YES
3. Magnetospeed: YES, Muzzle Brake: NO
4. Magnetospeed: NO, Muzzle Brake: NO

I shot five rounds in each configuration. Here's the result:

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With the muzzle brake on, the POI shift appears to be about 1" of elevation. Without the muzzle brake on, the POI shift appears to be about or a little less than 1/2". (This is at 100 yards). Again, I didn't allow much barrel cooling times between groups, and we had very variable weather -- changing from raining to clear and sunny over 20 minutes while I was doing these shot strings) so there could be other contributing factors. It does appear that there's a larger impact to POI with the muzzle brake attached, though.

There's no obvious impact to precision (hard to say for certain at 100 yards, though), just a change in POI. If that continues to be the case, I don't mind the POI shift given how much more convenient this is than traditional chronos.

That's it for now. They need to solve the problem of the strap tightening lever just asking to be broken, but otherwise the Magnetospeed is really cool and works well. Three guys at the range came by to take a look...it definitely attracts attention since nobody knows what it is! All of them agreed that someone should have thought of this years ago.
 
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Frogman,

Can you use the Magnetospeed both with and without the suppressor? In looking at your photos is seems that a spacer could be used inbetween the clamp and the barrel to lower the sensors when not using the suppressor.

Dave
 
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I really want this thing, but with it on, POI changes, and I have a feeling grouping changes too. that means I can't do load developing while getting speeds.
 
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I've now tested this device <span style="font-style: italic">ad nauseum</span>. Not all the results have made it up here, due to limited time/energy, and because I didn't feel the need with all the other good info that has been posted here by all the participants. However, the question whether group spreads are changed with the MS attached is still being raised, so I'll try to put it to rest.

To that end, here is one test I hadn't put together for this thread yet; I did 5 x 5-shots (10 x 5 shot groups total) at 200 yd using the Hospitaller with Applied Ballistics 175s, -/+ the MagnetoSpeed. There was a significant varying cross wind (5-9mph from ~8:30), so the horizontal spreads are perhaps a little higher than they could have been, but IMO not enough to change the conclusion from the test. The resulting groups were analyzed using "On Target" and I did not bother to round the values to a lesser number of significant figures. Here are the results:

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I have run the individual data sets (Spread, MOA, Width, and Height) through statistical analysis and the numbers simply are NOT statistically different with the MS off/on. Now, you can argue that I didn't do enough groups. Fair enough...more would be better, but I didn't feel like burning up anymore of Bryan Litz's stellar ammo for this test. You can also argue that my shooting was pretty mediocre. Fair enough...I've certainly done better at times. However, I think that an average of ~0.6 MOA for 10 x 5-shots groups at 200 yd makes the results of this experiment close enough to call. And my call from this test is that for <span style="font-style: italic">this rifle and ammunition combo</span>, hanging the MagnetoSpeed off the barrel is not changing the group shot dispersion in a statistically significant manner. Although I'm inclined to think any differences are likely to be very minor, YMMV with a different setup.

The final point I will bring up is that, as has been mentioned previously, there <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> a significant change in POI in this test. To approximately center the groups <span style="font-style: italic">with the MagnetoSpeed attached</span> on an individual target within the 4 x 4" target sheets I used required that I drop the elevation by exactly 2.0 MOA every time I put the MS unit back on the barrel. Based on previous reports by others in this thread, I'm strongly inclined to believe that this is a blast effect from the sensor deck, rather than a barrel harmonic issue.

Ultimately, each user has to decide whether they are willing to use the MagnetoSpeed during load development. Having said that, I think the data are solidly in favor that, although it changes POI, attaching the device does not alter group shot dispersion in a statistically meaningful way.
 
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Great post... always nice to see some 'hard' data rise to the surface in these discussions.

I got mine a couple weeks ago... haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with it as of yet. Just got cleared to drive again last week (kind of a pre-req for going to the range) following some neck surgery a while back. On my Savage 12 LRP I definitely had to use the thinner spacer for the vee-block and twiddle with some custom zero crossing values to get it to read. Still working on getting it to read plain lead .22LR slugs from my Mk II TR, though. I think a little more tweaking of the zero and/or level threshold settings should help.

One thought on the question of whether the POI shift is due to the sensor deck or due to harmonics... maybe I missed it elsewhere in the thread, but has anyone tried strapping the dang thing on sideways, and seeing if the deflection remains the same or tracks with the relocation of the bayonet sensor deck?
 
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Using mine during the Train Up at the 2012 SHC, a DTA Rifle's Muzzle Brake broke the buckle, oddly not the clip that locks it down. After several shots on a shooter's DTA it shattered the buckle so I have to replace the entire strap.

I have used it on a variety of platforms to include an AI AX 338 and no problem, but that particular brake design was too much.

They definitely have to change the material of the strap and buckle or we'll be seeing a lot more issues.

This wasn't a case of over-tightening where the clip broke, this was the buckle itself.
 
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My buckle failed as well. I sent them pictures and they sent me a new strap.

L
 
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Monte,

Trovan mentioned on pg. 4 of this thread that when the MS was attached at 12:00, the POI shifted down as opposed to the upshift almost everyone else has observed with the unit attached in what would be considered the "normal" position at 6:00.

Although a couple people have suggested doing it, I don't think anyone has reported any results with it attached at 3:00 or 9:00. My interpretation of Trovan's result is that the shift in POI is more likely caused by a muzzle blast effect as the projectile flies over the sensor deck. This was also suggested as a likely possibility by Lowlight and a couple others on pg. 4. In the absence of data with it attached at 3:00 and 9:00, I guess some type of harmonic effect can't completely be ruled out, however the data don't really support that interpretation at this point.

My new LR F-T/R gun from GAP just arrived at the LGS Friday. When it gets out of jail next week, I was planning on doing some MV testing with the MagnetoSpeed anyhow. So if no one else has gotten to it by then, I'll throw it on at 3:00 and 9:00, just to see what happens, and post the results here.

Frank, sorry to hear about yet another attachment failure on this device. It's really too bad that such a simple little feature as the attachment strap/buckle ends up being the lowest common denominator. Considering the technology that went into developing the sensor of this device, who would've ever thought a $0.99 strap/buckle would be the weakest link. I still keep thinking about getting out to Lowe's for a look-see at what might work as a simple replacement, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I rather suspect a simple 1/2" wide strip of velcro would probably work just as well.
 
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I have something to add about this system. I used it with my 40x rimfire, and it would pick up about 2/3 of the bullets shot. on my bull barrel 10/22 it would not pickup the shots what so ever. I have a dialogue open with MS right now trying to figure out why its not picking up the little bullets even on the most sensitive setting.
 
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For those seeing velocity measurements a few fps slower than expected based on other chronys, I think that the magnetospeed is likely accurate. It is measuring the velocity so close to the end of the bore that the bullet is probably not quite done accelerating. Bullets will accelerate for a few inches out of the bore since they have a couple thousand psi still acting on the bases. This would be a small effect, but a possible source of the deviation.
 
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Just following up... MagnetoSpeed quickly sent me a replacement for the broken "click cam" plastic piece, no hassles. In email they said that they "seemed to have some inconsistency in material properties in this last batch of plastic and are working to resolve the issue".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RacingMars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just following up... MagnetoSpeed quickly sent me a replacement for the broken "click cam" plastic piece, no hassles. In email they said that they "seemed to have some inconsistency in material properties in this last batch of plastic <span style="color: #FF0000">and are working to resolve the issue</span>". </div></div>

Hopefully by using metal instead (LOL).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Monte,

Trovan mentioned on pg. 4 of this thread that when the MS was attached at 12:00, the POI shifted down as opposed to the upshift almost everyone else has observed with the unit attached in what would be considered the "normal" position at 6:00.

Although a couple people have suggested doing it, I don't think anyone has reported any results with it attached at 3:00 or 9:00. My interpretation of Trovan's result is that the shift in POI is more likely caused by a muzzle blast effect as the projectile flies over the sensor deck. This was also suggested as a likely possibility by Lowlight and a couple others on pg. 4. In the absence of data with it attached at 3:00 and 9:00, I guess some type of harmonic effect can't completely be ruled out, however the data don't really support that interpretation at this point.

My new LR F-T/R gun from GAP just arrived at the LGS Friday. When it gets out of jail next week, I was planning on doing some MV testing with the MagnetoSpeed anyhow. So if no one else has gotten to it by then, I'll throw it on at 3:00 and 9:00, just to see what happens, and post the results here.

Frank, sorry to hear about yet another attachment failure on this device. It's really too bad that such a simple little feature as the attachment strap/buckle ends up being the lowest common denominator. Considering the technology that went into developing the sensor of this device, who would've ever thought a $0.99 strap/buckle would be the weakest link. I still keep thinking about getting out to Lowe's for a look-see at what might work as a simple replacement, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I rather suspect a simple 1/2" wide strip of velcro would probably work just as well. </div></div>

Aloha gstaylorg,

I have not read all the post in this thread but I have used the magneto speed at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions and found that the POI shifted opposite bayo placement. For example if mounted at the 3 o'clock POI shifted to the 9 o'clock and vice versa. This happened at the 6 and 12 o'clock positions as well.

The sampling at the 3,9 and 12 o'clock positions was roughly 100 rounds total in a few different calibers between the three positions. And it was pretty consistent but only a small sampling I guess. POI shifts were roughly 1/2-1" from zero depending on caliber used.

As you and others have noted although there was a shift in POI. I did not see any decline whatsoever in accuracy. The rifles I chronoed held accuracy during testing with the bayonet strapped on.

Like everyone else I hope they come up with a stronger clip for the barrel strap. Like you, I think im going to look into a way to change that weak clip.

Hope this helps!

Aloha!
 
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808Huntress,
Thanks for posting that info. I was planning on doing the same tomorrow, so you probably saved me a few rounds. One question I have is did you notice any significant difference in the MV readings with the unit attached at the different positions? I wouldn't thick it should matter as the position of the sensor deck relative to the projectile trajectory shouldn't be affected significantly. Just curious.
 
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I find it interesting that at least on the initial go around my poi shift with the suppressor attached has an opposite shift from what everyone else has experienced....I need to do some more testing once I get done moving and try the magento at different positions as well..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully by using metal instead (LOL). </div></div>

+1 to that. I'm actually holding off on purchasing until this issue is fixed.