Range Report carbon fouling

[Emouse]

Anyone found a real serious carbon stripper? I tend to fire fairly long strings several times a week,...sometimes 200-400 at a sitting. Copper fouling in my .308 bore hasn't been an issue but carbon is. I have tried all the usual cleaners/borefoams etc and even an overnight soak leaves the carbon caked on (especially at the muzzle.

So anyone got a solution that is non corrosive and works???

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: carbon fouling

I use Bore Tech Cu+2 Copper Remover as the first step in my cleaning process. Although you mentioned you don't have a copper problem, I can tell you that this stuff is aqueous and has some type of detergent in it, as well as the Cu2+ chelating agent. End result is that it does a great job removing carbon and salt deposits as well as copper. It takes far fewer patches of this to get the barrel clean than anything else I've tried.

http://www.boretech.com/products/copperremover.shtml

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: carbon fouling

I think few shooters have to deal with carbon fouling more than black powder shooters, and that the products and techniques they use are probably the most effective for dealing with carbon buildup and/or corrosive fouling.

I use Thompson Center T17 bore foam for cleaning the literally ghastly and wickedly corrosive fouling the Russian WWII anchovy can Surplus corrosive ammo leaves in my Mosin-Nagant 91/30.

I have also used Shooters' Choice Black Powder Cleaning Gel to remove carbon glaze from my C/F rifles.

Greg

 

[abizdafuzz]

Re: carbon fouling

Shooter's Choice, and Butch's Bore Shine are what the guys around me use for benchrest, high power, and black powder.

 

[Enough Said]

Re: carbon fouling

Just don't allow Shooters' Choice to linger in a chrome-lined bore. I'm under the understanding that it will have a detrimental effect if left in too long. For that reason, which may only be rumor, I never did allow it to linger.

 

[cmh2007]

Re: carbon fouling

try Wipeout. spray it and leave it...best product i have found so far for removing copper, powder, and carbon fouling.

 

[Emouse]

Re: carbon fouling

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use Bore Tech Cu+2 Copper Remover as the first step in my cleaning process. Although you mentioned you don't have a copper problem, I can tell you that this stuff is aqueous and has some type of detergent in it, as well as the Cu2+ chelating agent. End result is that it does a great job removing carbon and salt deposits as well as copper. It takes far fewer patches of this to get the barrel clean than anything else I've tried.

http://www.boretech.com/products/copperremover.shtml </div></div>



Tried it,....it was close to useless :-(((
May move copper but carbon?....no.

 

[Emouse]

Re: carbon fouling

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">try Wipeout. spray it and leave it...best product i have found so far for removing copper, powder, and carbon fouling. </div></div>

Good plan,..a few others have suggested this, Thanks.

 

[kjh762]

Re: carbon fouling

Try wetting with kroil and leaving it sit for a day.

 

[leadbullet]

Re: carbon fouling

slip 2000, works great and fast plus smells pretty good too, combine cleaning method with sweet 7,62 and you can get lots of crap out of bore easily and relatively fast, if you really need to.
hope this helps.

 

[bastard5]

Re: carbon fouling

Tried Hoppe's Semi-auto solvent?

 

[aam]

Re: carbon fouling

I'm using KG-1 Carbon Remover, with good results.

But I'm not shooting the amount of rounds your doing. I'll put down between 60 and 100 of 308 ammo on a Saturday. I let KG-1 soak for 10 min. Then re-apply with a freshly coated patch of KG, and let soak again for 10 min. With gun inverted, muzzle down, any excess makes it's way down the tube. KG-1 also removes small amounts of copper fouling.

If none of the various products mentioned work you might have to go heavy duty. Iosso Paste or JB Bore Paste.

 

[427Cobra]

Re: carbon fouling

Have you borescoped the barrel to see if your cleaning routine is failing to get the carbon out of the bore, as for the caked on gunpowder on the muzzle I wet a patch with BBS and stick it on the muzzle, keeping the muzzle wet and gently scrubbing it cleans up nice every time.

 

[Ring]

Re: carbon fouling

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">try Wipeout. spray it and leave it...best product i have found so far for removing copper, powder, and carbon fouling.</div></div>

this, and gunslick foam works well, also, mp-pro7/hoppes eleite

and allways use a brones brush.... not plastic..

 

[RTK]

Re: carbon fouling

Have you tried using a bronze brush and solvent???

 

[former naval person]

Re: carbon fouling

General Motors Upper Engine Cleaner. Use full strength on a nylon brush and allow to stand for a few hours. Mercury Outboard Upper engine cleaner is the same stuff, but in a spray can.

 

[wvlapua]

Re: carbon fouling

Boretech C4 carbon cleaner works wonders..better than kg 1 in my experience. Also boretech eliminator is a great do all cleaner..just not as fast on the carbon as C4.

 

[redirt78]

Re: carbon fouling

Tagged for products

 

[softcock]

Re: carbon fouling

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: carbon fouling

Did some research on the fuel system cleaner that the dealer used on my Dodge Grand Caravan. Per MSDS info (the poor man's industrial spy consortium) it's roughly 98% miniral spirits. Other useful compounds include Marvel Mystery Oil, Kerosene, Coleman Lantern/Stove Fuel, Isoamyl Acetate (Banana Oil, the stuff that makes Hoppe's smell so good).

Copper solvents often include Ammonium Oleate.

Greg

 

[softcock]

Re: carbon fouling

GM top engine carbon remover contains these basic ingredients
petroleum naphtha, 2-butoxy ethanol, 9-octadeceneoic acid(Z)- , ammonium salt, mineral oil, methyl amyl alcohol
.
hard carbon melts like butter .
.

 

[Frank]

Re: carbon fouling

The benchrest guys used to be real big on the GM top engine cleaner and the Mercury Quicksilver cleaner. I remember reading where our favorite uncle frowned on something in them and they had to reduce the amount of the main ingredient reducing its effectiveness. Probably still very good and a lot cheaper than the little bottles of the "gun cleaner" brands.

 

[Graham]

Re: carbon fouling

Kroil.