Suppressors Changing a cap on a can

[lazy21]

I just got another can and I ended up ordering the wrong threads. Is there someone that can make me a cap to replace the old one with? I just called the MFG. and was told it will cost $450 (which I think is crazy) to change out the cap. I don't want to run a adapter either. Is there anyone out there that can help?

 

[50APIT]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

Stalking Rhino may be able to help you. They make new endcaps on the suppressors they jailbreak. What suppressor is it?

 

[ddavis]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50APIT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stalking Rhino may be able to help you. They make new endcaps on the suppressors they jailbreak. What suppressor is it?
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I 2nd this. I'd like to know why they charge so much.

 

[i_rep]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

Sounds like its cheaper to replace the bbl....or if its a rifle...cut it off and have it rethreaded.

 

[Red_SC]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: i_rep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cut it off and have it rethreaded. </div></div>

Probably the easiest option if it's feasible. What can, threads, and host?

 

[lazy21]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

Can is a awc, rifle is a DTA 338/260. I understand I screwed up getting the wrong size but come on $450. I bet you(a mfg) can build a can for that much.

I ordered a 3/4-20 and needed a 3/4-24

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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Julio...

you get the threads too small or too large?

 

[KYS]

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Rethreading the barrel is the cheaper alternative. I wouldnt mess with the integrity of the can, especially if the manufacturer is not the one doing it.

At least you got your AWC... I've been waiting 5+ months on Form 3's.

 

[lazy21]

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F_M, both are 3/4 in threads, I need a 24 tpi instead of the 20

 

[i_rep]

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CHOP,Thread, and New Crown...if you don't know someone that will do it cheap and fast.....I do.

 

[windermike]

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AAC put a new end cap on a pilot for me for free. It was all my fault I bought a pilot with 1/2x20 instead of 1/2x28. They changed it out for me and had it at my door in less than a week. Mike Mers is the best.

 

[lazy21]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windermike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AAC put a new end cap on a pilot for me for free. It was all my fault I bought a pilot with 1/2x20 instead of 1/2x28. They changed it out for me and had it at my door in less than a week. Mike Mers is the best.</div></div>

They told me it was a 4 hour job, I told them to sell me a cap and I'll have it on within a hour. Their response was " if it's that easy, why didn't you make your own can". At this point all I have to say is "f**k AWC" they won't ever get another dime from me!

 

[windermike]

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Customer service goes a long way in my book. I am waiting on a stamp to come back on an Allen enginering .30 can. I know Ron Allen will stand behind his products. I also will not hesitate to have more AAC products.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Julio, I do not know what model you bought, but if there was such a thing as a thread end "cap" for a 100% 360 degree, deep penetration welded can, one could not "get it on in an hour." Hell, getting it off without destroying the can is going to take you that long. Nor would you want a precision can that you could for a rifle as nice as yours.

Your can is not a .22 AAC Pilot. It is not screwed together with loose pieces held under the pressure of the end cap. There is no "jail breaking" a superb centerfire precision can. Jail breaking is to get at the lead in poor purge rimfire cans. Good companies do everything they can to insure that just what you want, the kind of lead-in that comes off in under 60 minutes does not happen. In Titanium, RHINO charges $350 and their idea of refinishing is bead blasting and paint (you pay more for that too). AWC's refinish alone takes 2 days to cure. IF you bought a THOR, then the whole damn can is milled out of a solid block of Ti. There is no thread end swap, there is no unscrewing, there are no seperate pieces, there is only milling out the back end and getting to work making it all perfect again. And, just like there is no "end cap," there is no making the kind of can you bought for $450, $650 etc. etc.

I appreciate your disappointment, but you happened to pick a can where everything that you bought it for depends on the absolute correctness of the thread end into the armature. You have three choices, rethread your barrel, rework your can, or sell it to somebody as a new can and get on with it. These guys didn't say they wouldn't do it, they just wouldn't do it at the price you wanted for a one hour job. If you bought an AWC Ti and you talked to one of the guys that weld it up at and you told them it would take you an hour, I would have said the exact same thing. "If you can swap out the lead in to this can in under an hour you should be making your own can."

Yea, yea , I know, f*ck me too....f*ck everybody.

Now you were going to do what in an hour?

 

[Zak Smith]

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Just to back up RT51, yeah, on some cans you just break a small weld and unscrew the rear. On others, it's more like cutting your truck clean in two just forward of the firewall and then replacing whole the front end.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Appreciate that very much.

 

[762frmafr]

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I think what needs to be brought up is that the OP ordered the wrong threads. Then he expects the company to give him the correct threads either free or at a loss. Now that they won't he is angry. Give me a break.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windermike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AAC put a new end cap on a pilot for me for free. It was all my fault I bought a pilot with 1/2x20 instead of 1/2x28. They changed it out for me and had it at my door in less than a week. Mike Mers is the best.</div></div>

They told me it was a 4 hour job, I told them to sell me a cap and I'll have it on within a hour. Their response was " if it's that easy, why didn't you make your own can". At this point all I have to say is "f**k AWC" they won't ever get another dime from me! </div></div>

The problem is they would have to cut it out, weld in a new one, machine it after welding, and then blast and refinish the suppressor.

It isn't a quick job and doing one it will be slower and more expensive than production work.

 

[lazy21]

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Rolling, thank you for pointing it all out. If only awc would have explained what actually goes into fixing my problem it would have been a different story. The day I noticed I had a problem, I had three cans in my hand and I could have sworn it was a welded cap so ok, it can't be done in a hour. But like I said, instead of them telling me "why didn't you just make your own can". If I would have gotten a response explaining, I would have appreciated the effort that goes into that can and I bet I would have sent it back with a check. But I honestly don't care how good a product is, if the customer service sucks......I'm not interested

 

[KYS]

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Trust me Lazy.... I am having my own issues with AWC. They have been less then truthful with me on a 8+ month deal for 2 suppressors. Its a long story and after this transfer is over I won't buy anymore product directly from them, ever.

 

[Eben]

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My AWC story is that I called to see what an upgrade from my 90's 5.56mm CQB would be, and was told that it would be $395 to go to a Raider XM. Several months later I call again and am told that the Raiders are being discontinued and it would be more like $695. I was leaning towards selling it anyways, and now will definitely do so. Nothing wrong with the can, but I'm going with a caliber change.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Lazy, no problem. We all feel the same way, I think. There is neither disagreement nor any remaining mystery. I just felt it was important that folks recognize that some cans don't crack.

KYS, we have both had a go of it, haven't we. dOOd, there is no stretching the CQB to the XM, they should have known that from the get go. I had to buy a new XM as well.

 

[Eben]

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My CQB is 7.7" with a longer than needed threaded section, so it's not a problem to upgrade to the 7.8" Raider XM.
Know why they are discontinuing the Raiders?

 

[RollingThunder51]

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I would only be guessing.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lazy, no problem. We all feel the same way, I think. There is neither disagreement nor any remaining mystery. I just felt it was important that folks recognize that some cans don't crack.

KYS, we have both had a go of it, haven't we. dOOd, there is no stretching the CQB to the XM, they should have known that from the get go. I had to buy a new XM as well.



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What are you referring to?

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

Didn't you also struggle with a SS gas port on an Ultra?

 

[KYS]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't you also struggle with a SS gas port on an Ultra? </div></div>

Negative.... I don't own anything else but a 338 T-Trap from them that I got awhile back. But its on a dedicated subsonic build, doing just fine.

I've just had trouble with them being slow to do anything and then lying about the situation after 8 months of no efforts from their staff.

 

[Jackalope33B]

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Your still waiting for your Can to get to your dealer from AWC, then another 6+ months wait from ATF? WTF??!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trust me Lazy.... I am having my own issues with AWC. They have been less then truthful with me on a 8+ month deal for 2 suppressors. Its a long story and after this transfer is over I won't buy anymore product directly from them, ever. </div></div>

 

[KYS]

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HAH! I wish. Im waiting 8+ months for AWC to get the can to one dealer, just to have to wait again for it to transfer to ANOTHER dealer. Then to me.

They list my form 3 sit for 8+ months, never called NFA or their examiner. They just emailed her because "that is their preferred form of communication". Which was strange because I called one time and got their examiner to send them an official copy so they could ship my two cans out. Someone is not telling the truth and I cant stand behind this type of behavior. I wish more was done, it has left a smudge on their reputation as a good company.

I also want to add that the NFA is at fault here as well. Their examiner has been telling me for 3 days now that she would send over the forms to AWC. NO one has heard from her. They also failed to get a copy of the form 3 to AWC for 7 months! This is not acceptable and another reason why we really should all push for going to an electronic system.

 

[Jackalope33B]

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Holy F(#$*%&@ batman!!! Yea, I would say you are getting the shaft.. That really sucks!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HAH! I wish. Im waiting 8+ months for AWC to get the can to one dealer, just to have to wait again for it to transfer to ANOTHER dealer. Then to me.

They list my form 3 sit for 8+ months, never called NFA or their examiner. They just emailed her because "that is their preferred form of communication". Which was strange because I called one time and got their examiner to send them an official copy so they could ship my two cans out. Someone is not telling the truth and I cant stand behind this type of behavior. I wish more was done, it has left a smudge on their reputation as a good company.

I also want to add that the NFA is at fault here as well. Their examiner has been telling me for 3 days now that she would send over the forms to AWC. NO one has heard from her. They also failed to get a copy of the form 3 to AWC for 7 months! This is not acceptable and another reason why we really should all push for going to an electronic system. </div></div>

 

[Stalking_Rhino]

Re: Changing a cap on a can

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jail breaking is to get at the lead in poor purge rimfire cans.....In Titanium, RHINO charges $350 and their idea of refinishing is bead blasting and paint (you pay more for that too). AWC's refinish alone takes 2 days to cure.</div></div>

I know this is an old thread but wanted to clarify a couple points.

Jailbreaking has been done on a majority of rimfire and centerfire pistols can with few exceptions. It is not limited to rimfire as centerfire pistols builds up just as much just a bit slower. Has nothing to do with "poor purge rimfire cans".

So I can understand where you are coming from what are examples of poor purge cans and excellent purge rimfire cans?

I assume by "RHINO" you are referencing my company Stalking Rhino. Our "idea of refinishing" is no different than every other company that deals with black titanium products. We blast the part, then Gunkote or Moly-Resin coat it, its not "paint". We use the exact same process that AAC put their cans through in order to give their titanium tubes a black color, we just do it by hand instead of with a robot.

The refinishing options are either bead blasted, or painted/coated/finished whatever your choice of terminology is. I will update the forms to help clarify this further.

It does add a mere $15 to the titanium conversion ($340 total w/finish returned to your doorstep) as it does take a good amount of time to complete. We cure it for a full day before we box it up for the several day journey home.

Comparing our charge to AWC's charge of $95 for the can refinishing we are under charging. I figured that as 20(mount),20(endcap),60(tube).

If there was ever a question about what we offer we can be reached via PM, email, phone or snail mail.

I hope this clears up some misinformation.

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BTW, I did speak with LAZY about this situation and after a lengthy discussion we decided that a rethread of the barrel is his best option as that would have been cheaper than our solution of rebuilding the mount end of the can. I am unsure of what he ended up doing after our discussion as we haven't followed up with him.